2020 Presidential Election

[BrownAssClown]

(05-29-2020, 10:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I agree it is sad. Did Obama ever speak on Joe's view of what makes one black? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw

[BrownAssClown]

(05-29-2020, 10:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And only Biden could make Trump look like the more sane, younger, less white candidate in the race.

Charles Manson couldn't make Trump look more sane.

[GMDino]

(05-30-2020, 02:22 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Charles Manson couldn't make Trump look more sane.

Well you have to put it in the context that bfine claims he didn't vote for Trump and never defends Trump but gosh darn it he just can't find it in his heart to vote for Biden because Biden makes Trump look good. 

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2020, 02:21 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw

Unsure what that clip has to do with Obama's comments on Biden telling folks what it takes to be black. Perhaps I clicked the wrong link. 

[GMDino]

(05-30-2020, 02:21 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw

"MAGA loves the black people"  

“MAGA loves black people” suggests black people aren’t a part of “MAGA.” That they are outside of it. And that’s the point. https://t.co/0B23psE0sG

— Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) May 30, 2020

[GMDino]

(05-30-2020, 11:04 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Which brings us full circle right back to where we were two pages ago when I wrote . . .


Glad we were able to close the loop because you just confirmed what I wrote was, in fact, truthful.  Meaning I was, as usual, correct.  And it only took three days and two pages.  Usually it takes 5-10 pages for you to circle back.  I'm glad we could expedite the process this time.

[HarleyDog]

(05-30-2020, 03:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: "MAGA loves the black people"  

“MAGA loves black people” suggests black people aren’t a part of “MAGA.” That they are outside of it. And that’s the point. https://t.co/0B23psE0sG

— Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) May 30, 2020

Blexit.

[BmorePat87]

(05-31-2020, 09:56 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Blexit.

Is Trump gonna go from 6% to 4%?

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2020, 12:23 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Is Trump gonna go from 6% to 4%?

Just throwing that out there. That is all. The tweet insinuated “black people” as meaning ALL. But with Biden stating if you don’t vote for him then you ain’t black, I assume the black population will diminish greatly on Election Day. 

[hollodero]

(05-31-2020, 12:43 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Just throwing that out there. That is all. The tweet insinuated “black people” as meaning ALL. But with Biden stating if you don’t vote for him then you ain’t black, I assume the black population will diminish greatly on Election Day. 

I don't. The way Biden expressed himself was really poor for sure, but I can't imagine many black people are so offended by it that they rather not vote and risk a second Trump term.

[masonbengals fan]

& that's really what it boils down to every election cycle. The lesser of 2 evils. Do we keep Trump/Pence or Biden/ whatever far left wing nut he chooses. With Biden seemingly on the edge of dementia we better choose carefully. Sad choices indeed. What is the greater risk?

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2020, 01:08 PM)hollodero Wrote: I don't. The way Biden expressed himself was really poor for sure, but I can't imagine many black people are so offended by it that they rather not vote and risk a second Trump term.

The fact that you used the word many makes this a good opinion post. I appreciate that more than you know.

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2020, 02:03 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: & that's really what it boils down to every election cycle. The lesser of 2 evils. Do we keep Trump/Pence or Biden/ whatever far left wing nut he chooses. With Biden seemingly on the edge of dementia we better choose carefully. Sad choices indeed. What is the greater risk?

Another good post and true. One might look at the challenges America is facing now and in the future before slapping down your vote on your normal preference. For me, I wish there were two better candidates to choose from, but we are where we are and that sucks.

[hollodero]

(05-31-2020, 02:03 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: & that's really what it boils down to every election cycle. The lesser of 2 evils. Do we keep Trump/Pence or Biden/ whatever far left wing nut he chooses. With Biden seemingly on the edge of dementia we better choose carefully. Sad choices indeed. What is the greater risk?

Trump is the greater risk. Next question.

My reason for saying that is mainly that Trump has fantasies of omnipotence, is incendiary and destructive and banks on the worst feelings in people. Also he has reached levels of ridiculousness that Biden cannot match, even with all his gaffes. Biden says decent things and shows empathy, something Trump is quite unable to do. Also Biden will not surround himself with dangerous incompetence like from a Navarro or other boot-lickers, or with actual flamethrowers like Bannon.

Of course, there's also political questions, but Biden won' take progressivism too far and is more of a status quo candidate. Trump on the other hand... 

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2020, 02:17 PM)hollodero Wrote: Trump is the greater risk. Next question.

My reason for saying that is mainly that Trump has fantasies of omnipotence, is incendiary and destructive and banks on the worst feelings in people. Also he has reached levels of ridiculousness that Biden cannot match, even with all his gaffes. Biden says decent things and shows empathy, something Trump is quite unable to do. Also Biden will not surround himself with dangerous incompetence like from a Navarro or other boot-lickers, or with actual flamethrowers like Bannon.

Of course, there's also political questions, but Biden won' take progressivism too far and is more of a status quo candidate. Trump on the other hand... 

You don't know this, you only assume it. Biden has a laundry list himself and you know after the way Trump has been treated, the right will go after him with a vengeance.

[hollodero]

(05-31-2020, 02:27 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: You don't know this, you only assume it. Biden has a laundry list himself and you know after the way Trump has been treated, the right will go after him with a vengeance.

Hm, this might be true, especially the latter part certainly is. I have to say though, if Biden's biggest item on his laundry list is that his son had a well paid job in an Ukrainian company, I gladly take that over Trump's laundry list.

[BmorePat87]

(05-31-2020, 12:43 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Just throwing that out there. That is all. The tweet insinuated “black people” as meaning ALL. But with Biden stating if you don’t vote for him then you ain’t black, I assume the black population will diminish greatly on Election Day. 

The tweet was referencing a direct Trump quote that said "the Black People". Trump adding "the" certainly insinuates "all". If there's any inferences being made abut the tweet, that context seems relevant. 

As to the second part, we're just two white guys speculating, but your take seems to ignore the fact that Biden's primary victory was driven by black voter turnout in his favor. There's also Trump's handling of the George Floyd protests, calling for dogs to attack protestors and quoting an anti-civil rights figure when he called for protestors to be shot, which can be contrasted with his famous "good people" remark when referencing a pro-confederacy protest organized by white nationalist groups who marched with torches yelling nazi slogans about blood and the jewish people. 

I understand the conservative wet dream, but it seems naive. 

[masonbengals fan]

hollodero, I truly believe you are over simplifying it. I'm not worried about Trump's fantasies of omnipotence because our system will keep him in check. There is no defense of some of the thing he says. Some things that roll out of his mouth are reprehensible. But, Biden is definitely capable of equal levels of ridiculousness & that's why he's currently hiding in his basement. Dems know he will only hurt his standing when he speaks & as far as surrounding himself with dangerous incompetence, I'm much more worried about him surrounding himself with people (including the vice president) that are so far left our country will not survive it. Just listen to what comes out of their mouths.

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2020, 02:37 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The tweet was referencing a direct Trump quote that said "the Black People". Trump adding "the" certainly insinuates "all". If there's any inferences being made abut the tweet, that context seems relevant. 

As to the second part, we're just two white guys speculating, but your take seems to ignore the fact that Biden's primary victory was driven by black voter turnout in his favor. There's also Trump's handling of the George Floyd protests, calling for dogs to attack protestors and quoting an anti-civil rights figure when he called for protestors to be shot, which can be contrasted with his famous "good people" remark when referencing a pro-confederacy protest organized by white nationalist groups who marched with torches yelling nazi slogans about blood and the jewish people. 

I understand the conservative wet dream, but it seems naive. 

I think his black support is weakening. No facts, no numbers, just an opinion. And you know better than to trust any polls. Polls are what shocked Hilary fans in 2016.

[hollodero]

(05-31-2020, 02:41 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: hollodero, I truly believe you are over simplifying it. I'm not worried about Trump's fantasies of omnipotence because our system will keep him in check.

I think you're oversimplifying that :) But really, your system, to me, seems not that resilient as you portray it. In these tribal times, you only need 50+ senators in your pocket - meaning, having the votes they need in your pocket - and get away with basically everything. And Trump already got away with things that seemed unthinkable 4 years ago. What seems unthinkable now might very well not be.

As I said, argueing in court that a president can not be charged with literally anything seemed unthinkable, telling congress they can not get any witnesses or documents without giving a reason other than "partisanry" was unthinkable, a guy standing in the senate and claiming a president can do whatever to secure his reelection was unthinkable, an AG that involves himself in prosecutorial and court decisions, spreads unfounded conspiracies and throws dirt at his own department and his own FBI, all in aid to his president, seemed unthinkable, that Russia targeted election systems in all 50 states and there's no real reaction to that seemed unthinkable, that a presidential candidate can claim voter fraud without a shred of evidence seemed unthinkable, that a president can openly retaliate against wtnesses seem... you catch my drift.

And as soon as the courts say that a battle between executive and legislative is not their concern, Trump might be able to do many more unthinkable things. Third term, election postponal, emergency laws, etc. etc.

(05-31-2020, 02:41 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: There is no defense of some of the thing he says. Some things that roll out of his mouth are reprehensible. But, Biden is definitely capable of equal levels of ridiculousness

As soon as he muses about injecting disinfectants, we can get back to that. Until then, Trump has the clear lead. And I could bring many more examples, but let's just leave it at one glaring one.

(05-31-2020, 02:41 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: & that's why he's currently hiding in his basement. Dems know he will only hurt his standing when he speaks & as far as surrounding himself with dangerous incompetence, I'm much more worried about him  surrounding himself with people (including the vice president) that are so far left our country will not survive it. Just listen to what comes out of their mouths.

You know, I am an European, and as such I find those fears of unsurvivable leftism to be way overblown. I do get that many valid concerns would arise if he chose Omar or AOC as vice. But he won't do that. The most radical thing you could end up with is Stacey Abrams. That is survivable.

And he's hiding in the basement because medical experts say that's the wise thing to do right now. I wouldn't hold that against him too much.