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A Putin review for all the fanboys
#1
After reading about his 15 years as leader I can understand why some folks think he's dreamy compared to Obama.


Apparently its mainly because they just don't like Obama.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/06/vladimir-putin-15-ways-he-changed-russia-world

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Quote:Days before he was elected to the Russian presidency in 2000, Vladimir Putin told the BBC that Russia was “part of European culture” and that he “would not rule out” the possibility of it joining Nato.

“I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world,” said Putin, who was still acting president after Boris Yeltsin’s sudden resignation on New Year’s Eve 1999.

A generation later, as Putin marks the 15th anniversary of acceding to power on 7 May 2000, Russia has changed beyond all recognition from the chaotic, open free-for-all it was under Yeltsin. Internationally it faces isolation, sanctions, a new cold war even. At home, despite economic decline Putin enjoys perhaps the highest popularity rating of any Kremlin leader – an approval rating that topped 86% in February.

Love him or hate him, it’s hard to deny that Putin has made a huge impact on his country and the world.

Contents
Ukraine, Georgia and the ‘near abroad’
Opposition to Nato
Autocracy
Cult of personality
It’s the economy, durak!
Population growth?
Pivot to Asia
Crackdown
‘Moralistic’ vision
A multipolar world?
Londongrad
New-found sporting prestige
Corruption
Military
New propaganda


Ukraine, Georgia and the ‘near abroad’
The “near abroad” just got a little nearer. The Ukrainian conflict has ruptured relations between Russia and the west over the past year, but in fact it is merely the latest example of Putin asserting Russia’s “rights” in its former backyard, known in Russia as “the near abroad”. Those who were surprised by Putin’s annexation of Crimea and the subsequent Russian-fuelled conflict in eastern Ukraine should have remembered: six years earlier he set the mould for the “Putin doctrine” in Georgia. Russia would use troops to protect its interests in a sphere of influence increasingly hemmed in by Nato’s advance. The US blinked first.

The Ukraine gambit has been more risky. Public opinion certainly favoured the Crimean manoeuvre, but in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russians have died.

Sanctions as well as falling oil prices have hurt the Russian economy. Putin has his country on his side, for now, and has achieved his strategic aims, but not without some cost.

Opposition to Nato

Under Yeltsin, Russian pursued a policy of grudging cooperation with Nato. All that changed under Putin. Since his first interview with the BBC, Putin has insisted that Nato’s eastward expansion represents a threat to his country. Now Moscow finally has the military muscle to push back. According to a November report on the rise of close military encounters between Russia and the west, Nato states had scrambled fighter jets to intercept Russian aircraft more than 100 times as of late October, more than three times more than in 2013. The newly aggressive stance has worried Poland and the Baltics, as well as the Nordic countries. Even Sweden and Finland have started musing aloud about joining Nato.

Putin’s position has huge backing in Russia – and plenty of support from those in the west who believe that Nato only exists to deal with the insecurities that its existence creates.

A suspected Russian submarine in the Stockholm archipelago prompted a huge hunt by the Swedish navy in October, and a Scandinavian Airlines plane with 132 passengers taking off from Copenhagen in March nearly collided with a Russian reconnaissance aircraft that had not transmitted its position.

Autocracy


While Putin may have flip-flopped on economic issues, he has consistently moved toward greater consolidation of his own power. In 2004, he signed a law allowing the president to appoint regional governors, a privilege he mostly retains despite reforms prompted by street protests in 2011-12.

Putin’s famous “castling” with Dmitry Medvedev allowed him to return to the presidency in 2012. In the meantime, Russia’s lapdog parliament had passed a law in extending the presidential term from four to six years. Putin has said he won’t rule out running again in 2018, and if he wins, his time in power could surpass that of Leonid Brezhnev – 18 years – and even Joseph Stalin.

Cult of personality

Well, not quite a cult. But don’t underestimate how much damage 10 years of Yeltsin, his antics, ailments and slurring on television, did to Russians and their view of themselves. Putin has given them something much more in keeping with the macho spirit of the Russian muzhik: a horse-riding, bare-chested, tiger-wrestling, clean living, straight-talking action man.

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Vladimir Putin rides a horse in southern Siberia. Photograph: RIA Novosti/Reuters
At least, that’s what his image makers have done for him. Behind the scenes, who knows? Rumours fly thick and fast about his affection for Botox and his alleged relationship with an Olympic gymnast half his age. These are stories that don’t make the Russian press.

It’s the economy, durak!

When Putin arrived in office, Russia was just emerging from the disastrous market reforms of the 1990s and the 1998 financial crisis. The new president had no grand economic vision: while he slashed taxes to benefit business, he also renationalised key sectors, starting with the breakup of political foe Mikhail Khodorkovsky’s Yukos oil company in 2003. Nonetheless, unused manufacturing capacity and rising prices for oil, Russia’s main export, helped usher in an era of unprecedented prosperity that Putin is still remembered for, with real disposable income doubling between 1999 and 2006.

The global financial crisis brought this growth crashing to a halt. While oil wealth had stimulated growth, little progress had been made in diversifying the economy or modernising Russia’s industries. Even before oil prices dropped and western sanctions over the Ukraine crisis came into effect in 2014, economists were predicting long-term stagnation.

Although Putin recently called his government’s response to the rouble crisis of late 2014 “optimal”, many blame the central bank’s sudden interest rate rises and a shady bond issue by state oil company Rosneft for sinking the national currency.

As former finance minister Alexei Kudrin reminded Putin during the president’s annual call-in show in April, the 7% annual GDP growth at the end of his first presidential term fell to just 0.6% in 2014, and the country’s economy is expected to enter recession this year. Not a great result for a man whose initials – VVP – stand for GDP in Russian.

Population growth?

Putin took over a country whose population was falling at an alarming rate. Russia – a population of about 150 million people at time of the fall of the Soviet Union – was losing people at a rate of almost a million a year, a combination of a reluctance to procreate and a proclivity, from men at least, to die young.

But the decline gradually bottomed out, and in 2010 the population started growing again. The secret to this reversal was largely economic: as their financial situation improved during Putin’s reign, Russians began having more children. According to the state statistics service, the country now has more than 146 million people, up from 142 million in 2008. Even if you don’t count the 2.2 million people it gained by annexing Crimea, it’s still a positive trend.

But now that the econom ic outlook is uncertain, that trend may be reversing, with births down by 4% in January.

Pivot to Asia
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Always a vocal proponent of a multipolar world, Putin has shifted in recent years toward greater economic and military cooperation with Asian countries, whose growing economies are hungry for Russia’s energy and whose governments are less judgmental of its human rights record. Last year, he brokered two huge deals to supply China with gas, one worth $400bn. (First he has to build a pipeline through 2,500 miles of mountains, swamps and seismic hotspots.) Later this month, the two countries will hold joint naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea. He’s also exporting Russian railroad technology to North Korea, which in the meantime has been opening quasi-slave-labour logging and farming camps in Russia’s far east.

Worsening relations with the European Union, which in December forced Russia to cancel a pipeline to Bulgaria that was already being built, has only sped up its pivot to Asia.

Crackdown

With the imprisonment of oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky and the assassinations of several prominent opposition voices, Putin’s Russia was already a place where dissent was not particularly welcome.

But the pivotal moment came during the winter of 2011-12. Rolling opposition protests briefly threatened an Arab spring of sorts in Moscow. Putin moved quickly. A slew of criminal cases on dubious charges were opened against anti-corruption campaigner Alexei Navalny and 27 protesters from the May 2012 Bolotnaya Square rally.

Since Putin’s return to the Kremlin in 2012, new laws have raised the fines for those taking part in protests not sanctioned by the authorities to as much as 1m roubles (£13,000) or up to five years of forced labour or prison for repeat violations.

Amid growing patriotic fervour and rhetoric about traitors– Putin suggested in December that opposition members could be part of a “fifth column” undermining the country – the popular opposition movement is all but dead. Symbolically, one of its leading voices, former deputy PM Boris Nemtsov, was assassinated in front of the Kremlin in February. The crime was allegedly committed by security officers loyal to Chechnya’s ruler, Ramzan Kadyrov, who was awarded a medal by Putin shortly afterwards.

In Putin’s third term, authorities have also tightened the screws on non-governmental organisations that receive funding from abroad, whom Putin has previously disparaged as “jackals” and traitors. According to a 2012 law, such groups must label themselves “foreign agents” in their publications and submit to audits, with stiff fines for failure to meet these onerous requirements.

Once an oasis of free speech, the Russian internet is now subject to vague laws that allow the government’s communications watchdog to block sites deemed to publish “extremist” material or content harmful to children. As a result, several major opposition sites were blacklisted in 2013. According to a 2014 law, popular bloggers must now register their true identities with the state and face potential libel suits.

The crackdown has, of course, extended to the Chechen separatists whose destruction (“Should we catch them in a shithouse, we’ll whack them in a shithouse!” he once said) was Putin’s first real claim to leadership fame. His campaign against the Islamic insurgency in the wider North Caucasus region has led to a reduction in violence – but also to a litany of human rights abuses.

‘Moralistic’ vision
Alongside a crackdown on the opposition, NGOs and the internet, Putin’s third term has seen a wave of legislation inspired by his vision of Russia as a bastion of traditional morals. The most egregious example was the 2013 ban on gay propaganda, which LGBT rights activists say has contributed to a rise in homophobic harassment in the country, including vigilante group violence.

Under Putin, the second world war has become a patriotic rallying point, and a 2014 law criminalises the “distortion” of the Soviet Union’s role in the war. Other legislation imposed fines for the use of expletives on television, radio and in films shown in theatres, drawing criticism from musicians and directors.

A multipolar world?
The charitable view of Putin’s foreign policy is that he stands up to western hegemony and, with China, acts as a balance to the overweening military and political power of the US. If Yeltsin was consistently in America’s pocket, then Putin has been on its back.

However, while the Russian president can plausibly claim to have history on his side in opposing Washington over the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, his stance on Syria and unwavering support for Bashar al-Assad has been open to greater criticism.

It’s not all about opposition. Putin’s diplomats have worked constructively with international allies and adversaries to help bring Iran in from the cold, and – until recently at least – to work at further nuclear arms reductions.

Londongrad

Under Putin, the Anglo-Russian relationship has turned into a paradox: at the same time as official relations hit new, icy depths over espionage and murder, record numbers of Russians and their cash were flooding west – and London was their favourite second home.

Oligarchs parked their kids in swanky schools, listed their companies on the stock market and bought football clubs, some perhaps as an insurance policy, others because it became ultra-fashionable. But London also became a bolthole for the out of favour, home to an entire dissident community of anti-Putinistas, further straining relations between London and Moscow.

New-found sporting prestige

The Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014 were a triumph for Putin, who had campaigned aggressively to host the event. Russia won the medal count with 13 golds, and no major security breaches or organisational embarrassments – besides a few unfinished hotel rooms – marred the event. Joined by faded action star Steven Seagal, Putin later presided over a Formula One race held on a course built around the Olympic park, and in 2018, the country will host the Fifa World Cup.

But such state-backed events involving huge construction projects have been a goldmine for crooked officials in Russia. Nemtsov, who had written a scathing report on the preparations for the Sochi Olympics, estimated that $30bn of the record $50bn spent on the games had been lost to corruption. This was in addition to the poor labour conditions and environmental damage reported during pre-Olympic construction. Fifa’s lead investigator quit after the football organisation cleared Russia of allegations of corruption in the World Cup bidding process, accusing it of a “lack of leadership”.

Corruption

Despite a state campaign against corruption, Putin’s Russia has failed to shake off accusations of being fundamentally dishonest. In 2014, Russia was ranked 136 out of 175 in Transparency International’s corruption perceptions index, down from 127 in 2013 and 133 in 2012. The Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project also named Putin its “person of the year” after its investigations found that he had engaged with the mafia to create what it called a “military-industrial-political-criminal” complex to launder money and promote his interests abroad, including in the transfer of weapons to rebels in eastern Ukraine.

Although little information is available on his personal wealth, many expect that Putin himself has benefited from state corruption. Allegations have swirled for years that an extravagant palace being built on the Black Sea coast – reportedly guarded by the presidential secret service and now owned by a Putin confidant – secretly belongs to him and was paid for with embezzled funds.

Military

Putin inherited an army that was not fit for purpose. During his second term, he set out to reform the outdated conscript-based army, a process that only quickened after its unconvincing victory in the Georgian war. Russia now spends a higher percentage of its GDP on defence than the United States, and has allocated a record $81bn in 2015.

While the increased spending and reorganisation has created a force able to react relatively quickly when former Soviet republics get too uppity, new equipment – in particular a new stealth fighter and a next-generation tank – are still on the way. It has not helped that France recently withdrew its offer to sell Russia two Mistral warships.

New propaganda

Even as independent media found themselves on the run, Putin appointed Dmitry Kiselyov, a television presenter known for his anti-American conspiracy theories, head of the state news agency Rossiya Segodnya. In this post, Kiselyov has overseen an expansion of Sputnik News and Russia Today, which peddle the Kremlin’s talking points in foreign languages. While state-backed news outlets are nothing new, the Kremlin’s new propagandistic media have been criticised for their journalistic standards. In November, the UK media regulator Ofcom threatened RT with sanctions over news reports that failed to comply with impartiality rules.
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#2
Well he is fighting Isis where we have just been arming them.

And there is no one here who has defended any of his crazy policies. Policy wise he and Obama are very close .
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(12-10-2015, 07:04 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well he is fighting Isis where we have just been arming them.

Rolleyes


Quote:And there is no one here who has defended any of his crazy policies.
 
Sadly, there are definitely some who support his stance on homosexuals, at least tacitly.

Quote:Policy wise he and Obama are very close .

Rolleyes
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(12-10-2015, 07:04 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well he is fighting Isis where we have just been arming them.

And there is no one here who has defended any of his crazy policies.   Policy wise he and Obama are very close .

It hurts when I talk about your boyfriend, does it?

LOL
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#5
Seems the article shows the Country is better off than when he took over. It only cautions about what "may happen"

As far as Russian leaders go; Putin is a pussycat.
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(12-10-2015, 10:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems the article shows the Country is better off than when he took over. It only cautions about what "may happen"

As far as Russian leaders go; Putin is a pussycat.

Yeah...you didn't read the whole thing.

Here's a few memes to help.

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(12-10-2015, 10:50 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah...you didn't read the whole thing.

Here's a few memes to help.

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Well to be fair: I don't have to read every word that the good, down the middle, people at The Guardian have to say to know something about the history of the region. I do know that Russia is better off now than when Putin took over and he is relatively tame compared to many other Russian/Soviet Leaders/Czars. Will he ever come to the US and take over the liberal left fan base? No. But they are a different culture and he seems to be well liked over there.  
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Dino I saw this and knew you would get a laugh.



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(12-10-2015, 11:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well to be fair: I don't have to read every word that the good, down the middle, people at The Guardian have to say to know something about the history of the region. I do know that Russia is better off now than when Putin took over and he is relatively tame compared to many other Russian/Soviet Leaders/Czars. Will he ever come to the US and take over the liberal left fan base? No. But they are a different culture and he seems to be well liked over there.  

This is an understatement. They love him. Which is something that always surprises me due to the news we hear about him.
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(12-11-2015, 09:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: This is an understatement.   They love him.   Which is something that always surprises me due to the news we hear about him.

It shouldn't if you knew anything about Russia's history.  Unfortunately Russian's have never had anything but despotic strongmen and autocratic governments.  It's what they're comfortable with.  We have George Washington, they have Ivan the Terrible.  We have Abraham Lincoln, they have Joseph Stalin.  They dipped their toe into the democracy waters and unfortunately got an ineffective, albeit affable, drunkard as their leader.  Things didn't work out so well so they went back to what they know.  They now have their pacifier and their security blanket and the illusion of once again being a world power.

Russia has had an inferiority complex regarding the west as long as they've existed.  They yearn to be part of the club or at least respected by the club's members.  Historically the only time they've ever been granted a modicum of respect is when they are feared.  They'll take being feared and despised as they equate that with at least a grudging amount of respect.  Russians think their country is strong again, a world player with a strong leader.  In reality they're a backwards nation with a fourth rate economy based solely on natural resource exports.  They produce no products, they innovate in no areas.   They think they have a powerful, well respected leader, when in fact they have an autocratic mafia style thug, possibly the worlds first true "mobacracy".
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(12-11-2015, 11:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It shouldn't if you knew anything about Russia's history.  Unfortunately Russian's have never had anything but despotic strongmen and autocratic governments.  It's what they're comfortable with.  We have George Washington, they have Ivan the Terrible.  We have Abraham Lincoln, they have Joseph Stalin.  They dipped their toe into the democracy waters and unfortunately got an ineffective, albeit affable, drunkard as their leader.  Things didn't work out so well so they went back to what they know.  They now have their pacifier and their security blanket and the illusion of once again being a world power.

Russia has had an inferiority complex regarding the west as long as they've existed.  They yearn to be part of the club or at least respected by the club's members.  Historically the only time they've ever been granted a modicum of respect is when they are feared.  They'll take being feared and despised as they equate that with at least a grudging amount of respect.  Russians think their country is strong again, a world player with a strong leader.  In reality they're a backwards nation with a fourth rate economy based solely on natural resource exports.  They produce no products, they innovate in no areas.   They think they have a powerful, well respected leader, when in fact they have an autocratic mafia style thug, possibly the worlds first true "mobacracy".

The produce a lot of big equipment. Like farm and construction equipment.

Western sanctions have hurt them. Which I wish they would let up because we are paying 3x the cost to send family flowers on their birthdays/anniversaries.... And they don't even live in Russia.

I don't question that Russia has had its share of violent and evil people leading. I also don't think you can toss Putin into that group just yet.

They love him because he puts them first. His moment was back when he told a factory owner to either open up the factory and put people to work or he would do it. Which is him basically talking over companies which would be an Obama wet dream. The video was funny.



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(12-10-2015, 11:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well to be fair: I don't have to read every word that the good, down the middle, people at The Guardian have to say to know something about the history of the region. I do know that Russia is better off now than when Putin took over and he is relatively tame compared to many other Russian/Soviet Leaders/Czars. Will he ever come to the US and take over the liberal left fan base? No. But they are a different culture and he seems to be well liked over there.  

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And...
http://www.economist.com/node/3060477

Not the best article, but there's not a lot online that I'm finding easily. But, basically, Putin had the same benefit Bush had — previous lawmakers stopped spending so much on the military and spent more on welfare (although there I think they call them entitlements) and on infrastructure. Putin, like Bush, came in, ramped up military spending and their unemployment got worse. Their GDP has increased heavily, but that's largely due to exporting natural resources, which are finite.

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(12-12-2015, 02:38 AM)Benton Wrote: [Image: Russian_Military_Spending_1992-2012_SIPRI.jpg]

And...
http://www.economist.com/node/3060477

Not the best article, but there's not a lot online that I'm finding easily. But, basically, Putin had the same benefit Bush had — previous lawmakers stopped spending so much on the military and spent more on welfare (although there I think they call them entitlements) and on infrastructure. Putin, like Bush, came in, ramped up military spending and their unemployment got worse. Their GDP has increased heavily, but that's largely due to exporting natural resources, which are finite.

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You do realize unemployment going down is a good thing don't you?
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I know military spending is the thing everyone loves to hate. But it does at least lead to jobs.
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(12-12-2015, 04:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I know military spending is the thing everyone loves to hate.  But it does at least lead to jobs.

As opposed to other spending.  Like infrastructure.  
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(12-12-2015, 02:12 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The produce a lot of big equipment.  Like farm and construction equipment.

A lot? No.  This is the equivalent of answering the assertion that Tim Tebow is a bad QB by pointing out his numbers in the Steelers playoff game. 


Quote:Western sanctions have hurt them.  Which I wish they would let up because we are paying 3x the cost to send family flowers on their birthdays/anniversaries....   And they don't even live in Russia.  

Yes, we should let Russia get away with stealing the territory of it's neighbors and shooting down a civilian airliner because it inconveniences you.



Quote:I don't question that Russia has had its share of violent and evil people leading.   I also don't think you can toss Putin into that group just yet.

Literally, the word "think" does not belong in this sentence.  Putin is a criminal thug.  He murders his political opponents with impunity he steals private property and keeps it for himself or his cronies.  If he did 1% of his actions in the US there'd be armed rebellion.
 


Quote:They love him because he puts them first.

Complete and utter bullshit.  He puts himself first and his cronies second.  He plays the politically unsavy Russian populace like a fiddle and doesn't give two shits about them.

 
Quote:His moment was back when he told a factory owner to either open up the factory and put people to work or he would do it.   Which is him basically talking over companies which would be an Obama wet dream.   The video was funny.   

I suppose it's easy for the simple minded to admire the iron fisted autocrat.  He's taken over many other companies, that would merely be one more example amongst dozens.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_SUPERHEROES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-12-08-49-21

See they like him.





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