BREAKING: Eifert to have ankle surgery

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-26-2016, 03:45 PM)OBX Bengal Wrote: Today, on Pro Football Talk, Mike Ryan, NBC Sports Medicine Analyst, talked about Tyler Eifert beginning at the 13:30 mark.

https://audioboom.com/boos/4618064-05-26-hour-two-peyton-manning-won-t-sue-al-jazeera?t=0



He says that Dr. Robert Anderson, an orthopedic foot and ankle specialist at OrthoCarolina in Charlotte, North Carolina, and the head of the National Football League’s Foot and Ankle Subcommittee, is doing the surgery and that he is the best ankle doctor in the country.    He explains why surgery was delayed.  He says Tyler will wear a boot until August and may miss a few games, but no one knows.  It depends on how rehab goes.


Geoff Hobson says, “It’s believed that Anderson has consulted on the case from the get-go, starting when Eifert returned from Hawaii for a battery of tests.”


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Plan-B/f2316950-2d1c-45c6-9cf7-06bb2543e5bd


So it sounds like blaming the Bengals' medical staff is unfair.

The key word in the radio interview is "instability."  You don't get instability with a grade I or grade II ankle sprain which means his injury is a grade III ankle sprain.  It's not a "loose" ligament, it is a torn ligament; most likely the anterior talofibular ligament.  He isn't getting a clean out, he is getting a ligament repair.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1234170-overview

Quote:Distal talofibular ligament sprain with widened ankle mortise


It is generally accepted that for most patients, operative repair of third-degree anterior talofibular ligament (ATFL) tears and medial ankle ligament tears does not contribute to an improved outcome.[1]

One of the few absolute indications for surgery in patients with a sprained ankle is a distal talofibular ligament third-degree sprain that causes widening of the ankle mortise. To restore the ankle mortise, the distal tibiofibular articulation must be screwed together.

The usual postoperative course entails avoiding weight-bearing for 6 weeks, followed by removal of the screw and then continuing external immobilization while allowing weight-bearing for an additional 6 weeks. This program serves to avoid breakage of the syndesmotic screw and the associated difficulties that may present

The part I underlined explains why they didn't do surgery right away.  The patients who don't get surgery heal just as quickly and just as well without surgery as the patients who get surgery.  If surgery isn't a clearly better option than conservative treatment, they recommend conservative treatment and reserve surgery for treatment failures.  That's where Eifert finds himself now, a surgical candidate because he failed conservative treatment.

[*Nately120*]

(05-26-2016, 08:25 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'd be more worried if this team hadn't gone 10-5-1 without Eifert, Burfict and many others in 2014.

Maybe it's time for us to accept that the Bengals are one of the better run organizations in football, and it's going to take more than just a couple injuries to ruin a season. Just like how the Pats would win without Gronk, we can (and have) won without Eifert.

We're actually 12-6-1 without Eifert since we drafted him, and have averaged 23.9 ppg in those games...and that's also including a bunch of other players we've been missing during that span, including Dalton.

Optimism is great, but when we lost Eifert in 2014 he was a promising and young unproven TE.  Losing him is a bit more foreboding now that he is a guy who scored an average of 1 TD per start and 13 TDs in 13 games.  

In 2013 he scored 2 of the 54 total Bengals TDs (3.7%)
In 2015 he scored 13 of the 50 total Bengals TDs (26%)

Eifert seems to have become a a key member of this offense so I have a hard time (I'll admit, I'm a downer) thinking our ability to get over losing him BEFORE he was so damn awesome and important to our offense is entirely comparable to losing him now.  

Anyways, this is all my fault because Eifert is the only player I bought a new jersey off the rack for since I bought an Erik Kramer jersey in 1996. I'm a curse.

[OBX Bengal]

(05-26-2016, 06:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: Hobs really sounded the alarm on the radio just now. Sounding more and more likely he'll be out the start of the season. Said may not see Eifert at full health until mid season. Said only God knows when he'll return. Said injury devastating coupled with Burfict out first three games. A tough start to the season.

Here is a link to the Podcast for the Geoff Hobson segment.  It is about twelve minutes long.  In addition to Tyler Eifert they talk about the other receivers.


http://www.700wlw.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/podcast-geoff-hobson-talks-bengals-14756898/

[OBX Bengal]

Surgery was a success and I'm on the mend. Thanks to Dr. Anderson I'll be 100% soon, I appreciate the support! ?

https://twitter.com/EiferTy85

[Shake n Blake]

(05-27-2016, 01:01 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Optimism is great, but when we lost Eifert in 2014 he was a promising and young unproven TE.  Losing him is a bit more foreboding now that he is a guy who scored an average of 1 TD per start and 13 TDs in 13 games.  

In 2013 he scored 2 of the 54 total Bengals TDs (3.7%)
In 2015 he scored 13 of the 50 total Bengals TDs (26%)

Eifert seems to have become a a key member of this offense so I have a hard time (I'll admit, I'm a downer) thinking our ability to get over losing him BEFORE he was so damn awesome and important to our offense is entirely comparable to losing him now.  

Anyways, this is all my fault because Eifert is the only player I bought a new jersey off the rack for since I bought an Erik Kramer jersey in 1996.  I'm a curse.

I just have a completely different way of looking at it, I guess. The Bengals will have plenty of advance notice that Eifert will possibly miss games, so I'm sure a plan will be in place. We have other players that are very worthy of being a focal point for the offense. AJ, Gio, Hill...and maybe even LaFell and Boyd.

So while I think losing Eifert could be a blow for our SB chances, I don't see this team winning less than 10 games without him. There is simply wayyyyyy too much talent on both sides of the ball and with advance knowledge that he'll be out, I'm sure they'll adjust accordingly.

Btw...Erik Kramer? The guy who came out of nowhere to throw 29 TDs for the Bears? Then attempted suicide a couple years back? I really thought the Bears had finally found a good QB when he had that miracle season. Too bad injuries knocked him off track.

[OBX Bengal]

About half of this weeks Hobson's Choice is about Tyler Eifert:

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Hobsons-Choice-more-issues-and-answers/2172df86-bbba-4b35-9bd3-9dd6efb5f48c

[grampahol]

...and of course the ideas of cutting ties with him over injuries and blaming the team for waiting for surgery...Silliness..
He's a great player, end/stop. Surgery should always be the last resort unless it's glaringly obvious that it's needed. I should probably have surgery on my shoulder and legs, but the last thing I want is for someone to cut into my body . Injuries and surgery are unpredictable. They always have been and always will be, but try telling that to the people who always want an easy scapegoat or excuse for lack of success.

[CincyProduct]

(05-24-2016, 02:33 PM)jj22 Wrote: Availability is the best ability. Gronk didn't start missing games until his 3rd season. Eifert has yet to finish a season.

Gronk has missed games every season he has played...,

[jowczarski]

. But I just can't, for the life of me, understand why we haven't been all over this, and why we are only reacting now. I realize there has probably been a lot more going on than we would know about, but an extra month here would have made a big difference for one of our truly outstanding players.

They were “all over it” from the beginning, not just as a team but Eifert’s camp.


I'm just annoyed they are calling a 3-4 moth recovery a minimal surgery (that is a broken bone which shouldn't have taken 4 months to figure out was broken)

Not a broken bone.


There is a significant difference between the treatment and recovery between a grade I and grade III ankle sprain because there is a significant difference in the severity of the injury. However, if he suffered a grade III ankle sprain and the Bengals reported he tore a ligament in his ankle, instead of a ankle sprain, the media and fans would have a better understanding and more realistic expectations.

Ding.

As a reporter, you could ask Dennard if the shoulder was separated or dislocated or ask him to look at his medical chart.

→ Bfine32

I did ask him. He told me a separation. Not sure what else there is to say there.

The doctor said the typical approach would be to allow it to heal naturally (as was done), but if it was determined that it had not responded as desired at this point there are only two options.

Ding. Again.

Re: sounding the alarm and for sure missing games

Yes, that’s the alarm. But it hasn't rang yet. Nothing has changed since my initial report that they’re anticipating a three-month recovery window. He could play week 1. He could just as easily suit up for the first time week 4. We won’t know, really, until he’s cleared to practice. Sucks, I know, but at this point there’s no reason to speculate on a return until then.

[magikod]

I hope he is healthy late in the season when we really need him most.

[jeremydc]

I'm expecting him to be out the first 4 weeks of the season. If he comes back sooner, I'll be ecstatic.

[*ochocincos*]

Just have Kumerow add 40 lbs over the next three months, learn to in-line block as a TE does, and there's the solution while Eifert is mending. He's got the height and receiving skills, just needs the mass!

[jj22]

(05-28-2016, 10:22 PM)CincyProduct Wrote: Gronk has missed games every season he has played...,

You sure?

[BengalChris]

(06-01-2016, 06:25 AM)jeremydc Wrote: I'm expecting him to be out the first 4 weeks of the season. If he comes back sooner, I'll be ecstatic.

While it is early and he could heal faster than expected, you might as well get use to the idea of him starting the season on the PuP list regardless of what was published before. That would mean he'd miss a minimum of 6 games and give the team flexibility with the roster during that time. The team may want an extra body on the 53 man roster if it's expected to take Eifert till mid-season to return to full health.

It's easy to hold a spot open for a 2-4 weeks when he's a top producers, but if it could be half a season that's a whole other thing.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(06-01-2016, 12:37 AM)jowczarski Wrote: I did ask him. He told me a separation. Not sure what else there is to say there.

"I dislocated it for sure on that play"

If my name were on it, I would want to be right.

[jowczarski]

(06-01-2016, 11:58 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: "I dislocated it for sure on that play"

If my name were on it, I would want to be right.

That's fine. Again. Queze told Hobs that. He told me this. It's private medical information that I'm not privileged to. I have to go with what the kid says. Not everyone is Schefter and gets leaked medical charts. And yes, we do get medical information from people we trust at times (but not all the time) and the reason it's sourced is because really, no one should be giving out that information. It's just that it's sports, so most everyone does. If I'm (or Paul Dehner Jr.) are told something different by Queze and/or someone on staff later, then we'll go with that. If you're on staff and have access to his information, by all means get at me and we can talk about it. I'm easy to track down.

[Hoofhearted]

(05-28-2016, 10:22 PM)CincyProduct Wrote: Gronk has missed games every season he has played...,

Right.

Not everyone can have a Tony Gonzalez career.