Biden's lack of stopping Illegal immigrants

[Luvnit2]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-quietly-auctions-trump-border-wall-parts-stunt-republican-effort-restart-construction-report

Biden immediately stopped construction of 250 miles of Trump border wall. Then, instead of donating it to Texas to help them secure their state border, he either sold materials for pennies on the dollar or left it to rust.

Biden's and the Democrats immigration policy are killing Americans by their open border policy. Their policies will bankrupt cities if they continue to allow illegal immigrants into the US from the Mexican border.

[Luvnit2]

Biden's immigration enforcement has allowed over 6 million illegal immigrants to enter the US in 2.5 years.

NYC can't handle 100,000 illegal immigrants. LA can't handle them either. Yet, all of these Democrat run cities had no issue with the millions cities in Texas, Arizona and Florida have to deal with?

I feel this will impact not only National elections, but state and local elections as well. I am seeing protesting daily in NYC as illegal immigrants are camped on streets. NY citizens feel illegal immigrants are treated better than them.

Can/Will Biden attempt to close the border now? Is it to late and the damage is done?

[BFritz21]

(08-29-2023, 12:05 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Biden's immigration enforcement has allowed over 6 million illegal immigrants to enter the US in 2.5 years.

NYC can't handle 100,000 illegal immigrants. LA can't handle them either. Yet, all of these Democrat run cities had no issue with the millions cities in Texas, Arizona and Florida have to deal with?

I feel this will impact not only National elections, but state and local elections as well. I am seeing protesting daily in NYC as illegal immigrants are camped on streets. NY citizens feel illegal immigrants are treated better than them.

Can/Will Biden attempt to close the border now? Is it to late and the damage is done?

Protecting the border would make him racist.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(08-29-2023, 12:05 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Biden's immigration enforcement has allowed over 6 million illegal immigrants to enter the US in 2.5 years.

NYC can't handle 100,000 illegal immigrants. LA can't handle them either. Yet, all of these Democrat run cities had no issue with the millions cities in Texas, Arizona and Florida have to deal with?

I feel this will impact not only National elections, but state and local elections as well. I am seeing protesting daily in NYC as illegal immigrants are camped on streets. NY citizens feel illegal immigrants are treated better than them.

Can/Will Biden attempt to close the border now? Is it to late and the damage is done?

Sanctuary cities crying??
Guess they wouldn't be so over run if they cooperated better and allowed people to get deported.

They should have taken the hint when Trump tried to remove federal aid from them and it was over turned by an appeals court and now they crying for more aid??  Honestly, i'd be loading up Illegals at the border and putting them on busses straight to all sanctuary cities and give no additional Federal Aid.

• Alexandria, VA
• Baltimore, MD
• Boston, MA
• Charlotte, NC
• Chicago, IL
• Columbus, OH
• Denver, CO
• Detroit, MI
• Hartford, CT
• Iowa City, IA
• Jackson, MS
• Los Angeles, CA
• Memphis, TN
• Minneapolis, MN
• Montpelier, VT
• Newark, NJ
• New Orleans, LA
• New York City, NY
• Oklahoma City, OK
• Philadelphia, PA
• Pittsburgh, PA
• Portland, OR
• Providence, RI
• Raleigh, NC
• San Diego, CA
• San Francisco, CA
• Seattle, WA
• Washington, DC
  

[GMDino]

According to this site:

https://cis.org/Camarota/Monthly-Census-Bureau-Data-Shows-Big-Increase-ForeignBorn?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9MCnBhCYARIsAB1WQVVM1yLb2GSkICBlYrmb2YYCrE-FnqToNc7yqvGO7ycGGZR1NM0UNCMaAqNgEALw_wcB

Immigration rose dramatically during the 01135809 administration...until Covid.  The rose again, by a smaller percentage, under Biden...but still not to the previous levels (as of Sept, 2021).



Understanding that there is more to immigration (legal and illegal) than who is in the oval office, we have not seen a huge increase in it despite cries that "the left" wants open borders. 

[*pally*]

Until Congress stops using immigration as a political talking point and finally fixes the LEGAL immigration system, there is no hope of ever stopping illegal immigration. Give people a legal avenue of realistically immigrating in a reasonable time period and the incentive to come illegally goes away.

Right now from Mexico, it can take up to 20 years to be able to legally immigrate to this country and then it can take just as long to obtain citizenship or even a green card the backlog is so high

[Mike M (the other one)]

(08-31-2023, 09:41 AM)GMDino Wrote: According to this site:

https://cis.org/Camarota/Monthly-Census-Bureau-Data-Shows-Big-Increase-ForeignBorn?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9MCnBhCYARIsAB1WQVVM1yLb2GSkICBlYrmb2YYCrE-FnqToNc7yqvGO7ycGGZR1NM0UNCMaAqNgEALw_wcB

Immigration rose dramatically during the 01135809 administration...until Covid.  The rose again, by a smaller percentage, under Biden...but still not to the previous levels (as of Sept, 2021).



Understanding that there is more to immigration (legal and illegal) than who is in the oval office, we have not seen a huge increase in it despite cries that "the left" wants open borders. 

Actually it does have an effect direct from what you posted (link):

The Trump Effect. The monthly data also show evidence for a “Trump effect” on immigration — legal and illegal. Our prior analysis of other Census Bureau data shows that during his first three years in office, before Covid-19 hit, growth in the legal and illegal immigrant population slowed, reflecting a decline in new arrivals and a substantial increase in out-migration. The monthly data confirms our prior findings. In his four years in office (January 2017 to January 2021), the foreign-born population grew by 1.6 million, less than half the 3.4 million growth during Obama’s second term (January 2013 to January 2017). Of course, immigration in the last year of the Trump administration was impacted by the Covid-19 epidemic. But looking only at the first three years (January 2017 to January 2020) of Trump’s administration, before Covid, shows the immigrant population grew by one million, compared to three million in the first three years of the second Obama administration (January 2013 to January 2016).


Under Biden, From July 1, 2021 to July 1 2022 it grew by 1 million.  In 1 yr he just beat Trumps 3 yr number.


Crossings at the S border under Biden are at record breaking highs..
2021 he set the record, 2022 broke it, and 2023 YTD is on par to break 2022.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(08-31-2023, 11:45 AM)pally Wrote: Until Congress stops using immigration as a political talking point and finally fixes the LEGAL immigration system, there is no hope of ever stopping illegal immigration.  Give people a legal avenue of realistically immigrating in a reasonable time period and the incentive to come illegally goes away.

Right now from Mexico, it can take up to 20 years to be able to legally immigrate to this country and then it can take just as long to obtain citizenship or even a green card the backlog is so high

That's not it, the problem is we want educated workers. 
The majority of those that want to come here simply don't qualify for that status. So they use Asylee, Refugee status to get in (or send minors unaccompanied by adults). 
That's a couple of the ways you can come here.

The one where you are talking 20 years? that's if a LPR applies to bring a child or daughter (unmarried and over 18) to the US.
If/Once they become a USC that time is shortened alot (3-4 years). So 8-9 years, so have to wait 5 (4 if married to USC) to become a USC then apply and you will be moved to the front of the line over the LPRs (Legal Perm Residents). 

And yes, Mexico has a very high wait time simply because they are our poverty stricken neighbor.

[*pally*]

(09-02-2023, 12:12 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: That's not it, the problem is we want educated workers. 
The majority of those that want to come here simply don't qualify for that status. So they use Asylee, Refugee status to get in (or send minors unaccompanied by adults). 
That's a couple of the ways you can come here.

The one where you are talking 20 years? that's if a LPR applies to bring a child or daughter (unmarried and over 18) to the US.
If/Once they become a USC that time is shortened alot (3-4 years). So 8-9 years, so have to wait 5 (4 if married to USC) to become a USC then apply and you will be moved to the front of the line over the LPRs (Legal Perm Residents). 

And yes, Mexico has a very high wait time simply because they are our poverty stricken neighbor.

sure we want educated workers...but in many cases, those are the ones displacing Americans from jobs, especially in technology.  Look at where so many of the illegal immigrants work...they are filling jobs that others don't want.  Farm work, meat packing, entry-level service industry jobs (housekeepers, cooks, dishwashers,  landscapers) They work loading docks and construction.  The jobs these people fill will become painfully obvious if Republicans get their wish to "deport them all"  There are millions of job openings in these areas.  There are very few real penalties for employers who hire illegal immirants.  Fixing that is all part and parcel in fixing the entire immigration system

This country is in desperate need of unskilled labor which will become scarcer as our population ages.  Fixing the legal immigration system allows these unskilled laborers to become part of the legitimate work force 

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-02-2023, 05:00 PM)pally Wrote: sure we want educated workers...but in many cases, those are the ones displacing Americans from jobs, especially in technology.  Look at where so many of the illegal immigrants work...they are filling jobs that others don't want.  Farm work, meat packing, entry-level service industry jobs (housekeepers, cooks, dishwashers,  landscapers) They work loading docks and construction.  The jobs these people fill will become painfully obvious if Republicans get their wish to "deport them all"  There are millions of job openings in these areas.  There are very few real penalties for employers who hire illegal immirants.  Fixing that is all part and parcel in fixing the entire immigration system

This country is in desperate need of unskilled labor which will become scarcer as our population ages.  Fixing the legal immigration system allows these unskilled laborers to become part of the legitimate work force 

they only allow 65k h1b (20k are reserved for people with Masters or higher) so 45k annually can come here and work in High paying Skilled jobs for a max of 3 years. 

• A job offer from a U.S. employer for a role that requires specialty knowledge
• Proof of a bachelor’s degree or equivalent in that field
• Your employer must show that there is a lack of qualified U.S. applicants for the role
  

For the non-skilled jobs, they can apply for 
H-2A and H-2B visas are for seasonal, or peak load, temporary workers in an agriculture (H-2A) or non-agricultural (H-2B) setting. Generally, these do not extend beyond a year.


So you are saying that aside from the agricultural jobs, Americans don't want to work in the Construction, Food Processing/Cooks, Ground Maintenance workers, nannies, maids, sewing jobs (for those i think it's the employers want cheaper labor). 


Then we have to deal with documented workers wanting those same jobs as well.... so they are taking jobs from people that will fill them.

[Luvnit2]

Joe Biden stopped building the wall. He stopped sending illegal immigrants back to Mexico to await their asylum hearing, he released them into the US. In 1 year almost 1.4 million illegal immigrants entered into Texas, but no one is getting billions in Texas to house, feed, clothe, school children and provide free medical assistance.

Of the almost 1.4 million since from August of 2022 to August of 2023, only 13,000 were sent to sanctuary city NYC by Abbott. Do the math how NYC has over 100K in illegal immigrants. It is very simple, the illegal immigrants flooded to NYC on their own because of all of the promises made by Democratic run cities like NYC.

These cities are getting what they campaigned on, on what they said they would provide. Fast forward to present time and NYC mayor is a hypocrite trying to place blame on Trump and Republicans versus Biden policy and sanctuary city policy. They are getting what they asked for so now they need to deal with it.

[Luvnit2]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-hosts-shredded-after-saying-migrants-flooding-new-york-city-must-resettled-elsewhere

This is classic viewpoint from liberals who say it is OK to not secure our border. NYC is a sanctuary city and as I showed in a previous post, contrary to the lies of Adams, very few migrants of the 110,000 estimated illegal immigrants were bussed into NYC. The majority came on their own because NYC promotes themselves as sanctuary city that will house and feed them, educate their children

The article talks shows Navarro of the View saying the illegal immigrants need to be sent elsewhere.

It was easy to call yourself sanctuary cities until the borders were essentially opened by Democrat's and Joe Biden. Now that they are in these sanctuary city, the liberal cities can't handle what border states like Texas and Arizona have dealt with for decades.

This is not a Trump issue, he tried building a wall, in fact the material to secure the border is being sold or decaying as we speak as Biden chose to not only stop the building of additional wall, but he chose to open existing walls on the border. Congress voted to fund building the wall, but Biden just like he did in Afghanistan (left billions in military equipment) chose to leave this expensive wall material on the ground or in this case also sell it for pennies on the dollar wasting money.

Democratic leaders need to get Biden to fix the open border policies or else this issue just gets worse. Now we have the Northern border also being exposed. There is a path to legal immigration, Biden has thrown that out the window by allowing an estimated 6 to 8 million illegal immigrants into the US since he took office.

Mark my words, this and the economy will be major voting issues in 2024. Americans will hold not only Biden, but the entire Democratic party accountable for this immigration mess.

[Luvnit2]

More on Biden's immigrant policy
https://www.foxnews.com/media/border-union-pres-calls-bidens-stay-texas-plan-contradictory-hate-catch-release-its-his-law
Border union pres calls Biden's stay-in-Texas plan contradictory: 'I hate' catch-release, but it's his law
"We just don't know what's up from down anymore," said Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council.

"You hear this administration's claiming that Abbott's buoys are against the law, yet he turns right back around in the very next breath and he says he's going to force people to stay in Texas."
On "Your World," Judd suggested Biden's reported plan to prevent migrants from leaving border states flies in the face of his own catch-and-release policies that allow for illegal immigrant dispersion throughout the nation's interior on the individuals' own volition.


"Once they are released, they have the right to travel throughout the United States," Judd said. "As much as I hate this, as much as I hate the catch-and-release, I also recognize what the laws are."

[LSUfaninTN]

(08-31-2023, 11:45 AM)pally Wrote: Until Congress stops using immigration as a political talking point and finally fixes the LEGAL immigration system, there is no hope of ever stopping illegal immigration.  Give people a legal avenue of realistically immigrating in a reasonable time period and the incentive to come illegally goes away.

Right now from Mexico, it can take up to 20 years to be able to legally immigrate to this country and then it can take just as long to obtain citizenship or even a green card the backlog is so high

Fixes the legal immigration system? Who are these people that take up to 20 years? I have MANY friends in L.A. who got their citizenship in their mid twenties, and they weren’t fighting for it when they were 5 years old. We also have birthright citizenship. Half the countries in Europe, a “more progressive” part of the world, including the Uber progressive Scandinavian countries, don’t have that. They also don’t allow refugees indefinite stays. The difficulty to immigrate here is overblown. And here’s the kicker… no one is entitled citizenship to another country. Sorry, life isn’t fair. I tried to get my citizenship in Denmark when I played in a Danish band, who had a lot of pull since they were the biggest act in the country at the time. I failed. Their producers, on the other hand, got citizenship in the US in a couple years. 

Illegal immigration is inevitable, but it is not impossible to cut down on drastically. 

[GreenDragon]

Cherry picking at its finest in the OP.

[GMDino]

(09-09-2023, 11:24 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-hosts-shredded-after-saying-migrants-flooding-new-york-city-must-resettled-elsewhere

This is classic viewpoint from liberals who say it is OK to not secure our border. NYC is a sanctuary city and as I showed in a previous post, contrary to the lies of Adams, very few migrants of the 110,000 estimated illegal immigrants were bussed into NYC. The majority came on their own because NYC promotes themselves as sanctuary city that will house and feed them, educate their children

The article talks shows Navarro of the View saying the illegal immigrants need to be sent elsewhere.

It was easy to call yourself sanctuary cities until the borders were essentially opened by Democrat's and Joe Biden. Now that they are in these sanctuary city, the liberal cities can't handle what border states like Texas and Arizona have dealt with for decades.

This is not a Trump issue, he tried building a wall, in fact the material to secure the border is being sold or decaying as we speak as Biden chose to not only stop the building of additional wall, but he chose to open existing walls on the border. Congress voted to fund building the wall, but Biden just like he did in Afghanistan (left billions in military equipment) chose to leave this expensive wall material on the ground or in this case also sell it for pennies on the dollar wasting money.

Democratic leaders need to get Biden to fix the open border policies or else this issue just gets worse. Now we have the Northern border also being exposed. There is a path to legal immigration, Biden has thrown that out the window by allowing an estimated 6 to 8 million illegal immigrants into the US since he took office.

Mark my words, this and the economy will be major voting issues in 2024. Americans will hold not only Biden, but the entire Democratic party accountable for this immigration mess.

My only other question is how many times can one person write the same thing after being shown they are wrong?  I'm really feeling sorry for the poster.

I just picture someone standing in a parking lot yelling "BIDEN!! OPEN BORDERS!! SANCTUARY CITY!!"

https://www.lirs.org/what-are-sanctuary-cities-why-do-they-exist/

Quote:WHAT ARE SANCTUARY CITIES AND WHY DO THEY EXIST?
Published On: July 12, 2021




To combat closed borders, detention, and deportation, communities across the country are proclaiming sanctuary city status. Sanctuary cities exist from coast to coast and promote the ideals of human rights, separation of local and federal law, and empowerment of communities to grow with the help of immigrants. Cities that pursue sanctuary city policies do so for various reasons, all of which relate on some level to human rights and community growth. 

WHAT ARE SANCTUARY CITIES?
The phrase sanctuary city is not a legal term, but one developed over time and more recently reflecting a response to ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) policies and actions. In general, a sanctuary city is a community with a policy, written or unwritten, that discourages local law enforcement from reporting the immigration status of individuals unless it involves investigation of a serious crime. These sanctuary communities go beyond cities, though. One can find entire counties and states declaring sanctuary status.

These communities typically do not honor requests by ICE to detain undocumented immigrants whom local agents apprehend for misdemeanor crimes or investigations. Many in sanctuary cities also refuse to deputize their local officers as federal agents, a necessary technicality if those local officers carry out the duties of ICE agents. There is no specific federal law against sanctuary city policies. 

LISTS OF SANCTUARY STATES IN THE UNITED STATES
Sometimes the term “sanctuary” encompasses more than just a city. There are many counties across the United States that claim sanctuary county policies, and several states that consider their entire geographical location as a sanctuary. As of March 2021, the following states claim sanctuary status:

• California
• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Illinois
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• New Mexico
• New York
• Oregon
• Vermont
• Washington
  

In addition, some of these sanctuary states also designate counties to have policies in place that discourage or prohibit cooperation between local law and federal agents when dealing with undocumented immigrants. 
WHAT DOES A SANCTUARY CITY POLICY REALLY DO?
In terms of immigration issues, sanctuary city policies are often designed to respond to a series of events involving undocumented individuals. The following is an example of such a series of events, and how the sanctuary policies apply.

• Initial Contact with Law Enforcement: This is often something relatively common, such as an officer pulling over a car for speeding or responding to a domestic incident. This initial contact has nothing to do with citizenship status.
• Law Enforcement Detains an Individual: Law enforcement books and takes fingerprints of the individual at the local or county jail. Per protocol, these fingerprints go through the FBI database. ICE regulations require that state and federal agents share information regarding inmates.
• ICE Gets Involved: If ICE records show the individual is undocumented, ICE sends a request to the local jail to detain the individual for an additional 48 hours beyond the original release day and time. This time buffer allows ICE to seek a warrant and begin the deportation process.
• Local Authorities React: According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, local officers do not have to comply with ICE requests for additional detention, because doing so is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
  

The reaction of the local authorities depends on any sanctuary policies in place. Cities or counties with sanctuary policies typically decline the requests and release the individual once the appropriate time for the initial contact has been met. This might be because of charges dropped, bail set and met, or no jail time sentenced. Some sanctuary cities will reject all detain requests they receive from ICE, while others comply under certain circumstances including gang involvement, prior felony records, or terrorist watch list status.

Cities without sanctuary policies often comply with ICE and detain the individual while ICE seeks a warrant for deportation. The undocumented individual might remain in the local jail during the deportation process, or ICE might transfer that person to a federal prison. Jails and prisons that detain undocumented immigrants often receive federal funds for doing so.
WHY ARE THERE SANCTUARY CITIES?
Sanctuary cities today refer to those places where local law enforcement does not carry out the duties of ICE without a warrant or local court order. The history of sanctuary cities, however, focuses on the term sanctuary – or safe place. In 1971, Berkeley, CA became the first city to claim this status. Instead of questions of immigration, this sanctuary declared Berkeley a safe place for U.S. Navy soldiers who resisted the war in Vietnam.

Moving forward, sanctuary city policies often centered around supporting faith-based organizations and movements. This included those cities where religious movements were offering safe places for not only war resisters, but for refugees from El Salvador and Guatemala. In the 1980s and 1990s, communities began to see sanctuary as more of a human rights issue than a religious one. The focus moved increasingly toward developing policies that would limit the involvement of local police with federal issues of immigration.
MODERN INTERPRETATION OF SANCTUARY CITIES
As political debates surrounding immigration increased in the 2000s, so has the discussion around sanctuary cities. Throughout the country, many communities have reacted to harsh treatment of immigrants with the development of sanctuary city (or county or state) policies. They seek to provide refuge for immigrants, instead of persecution.
WHY DO COMMUNITIES CHOOSE TO BE SANCTUARY CITIES?
In alignment with the history of sanctuary city policies, many communities are now choosing to develop policies that separate local law enforcement from potential deportation activities at the federal level. Under both Democratic and Republican presidents, the focus on deporting undocumented individuals has been increasing. This includes individuals who are law-abiding, and parents working and raising children in the U.S. There are several reasons why communities enact policies and regulations to define themselves as sanctuary cities.

• A Human Rights Standpoint: Many people across the country see immigration as a positive process and human rights issue, and consider it the duty of U.S. citizens and officials to help protect all people. This includes people who are fleeing wars, poverty, and famine. Chicago is one such city, where the sanctuary policies – also known as the Welcoming City Ordinance – state that Chicago officials will not help investigate or prosecute individuals based solely on their resident status. Chicago also does not discriminate against non-citizens for city services intended for those in need, and even offers a local ID to use for transportation and library access.
• A Constitutional Standpoint: Under the Constitution of the United States, being an undocumented immigrant is not actually a crime – it is a civil violation. Criminal violations allow for punishments such as jail time. Civil violations result in penalties. Currently. the accepted penalty for being in the United States undocumented is deportation. There are many who see this as a punishment, and therefore a human rights issue.
  

The undercurrent theme of the reasons for supporting sanctuary cities aligns with the idea that the United States is a country of immigrants. The generations that came before us empowered the cities of today, and communities across the country want to maintain that optimistic and humanistic point of view.

It is important to remember that sanctuary city officials do not promote breaking the law. Officials in these cities still take and report fingerprints to the FBI, as directed. Sanctuary policies allow local officers to decline enforcing a federal request for detention during deportation considerations. Instead of holding an individual in jail beyond the regular release date, local officials follow constitutional guidelines and their own legal regulations.
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF SANCTUARY CITIES? 
Communities across the country grapple with immigration issues. From a human rights standpoint, welcoming immigrants and providing them with resources and support will accomplish far more than detaining and deporting them ever will. The evidence shows that undocumented immigrants do not pose significant threats to communities, and they in fact positively impact them. 

Sanctuary cities report positive outcomes, including the following:

• Sanctuary cities have lower than average crime rates
• Household incomes are higher in sanctuary cities
• The poverty rate in sanctuary cities is lower on average than cities without these policies
  

Law enforcement at the local levels want to continue building positive relationships with all citizens – documented and undocumented. This encourages them to report crimes and concerns without fear of reprisal, and promotes community building instead of separating. 
As the United States continues to grow both in population and ideals, it is important to look at immigration through the lens of humanity, rather than as a price tag for prisons. Sanctuary cities and communities continue to pave the way as examples.

[Luvnit2]

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6337216147112


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-other-democrats-drowned-out-screaming-protesters-nyc-migrant-crisis-news-conference

Wow, liberal NYC is extremely upset over illegal immigrants as AOC, Nadler and other Democrats get shouted down on their home turf. As I have said, the open border Biden policies allowing over 6 million illegal immigrants that are registered since he took office, plus 1.5 million who skirted security at the border and are freely roaming the US, no vetting, no vaccinations, no idea if terrorists and more to come.

The border will be a major voting issue in 2023, Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike hate the illegal immigrant policy of open borders. Bad week for Joe Biden and his party.

[LSUfaninTN]

(08-31-2023, 09:41 AM)GMDino Wrote: According to this site:

https://cis.org/Camarota/Monthly-Census-Bureau-Data-Shows-Big-Increase-ForeignBorn?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9MCnBhCYARIsAB1WQVVM1yLb2GSkICBlYrmb2YYCrE-FnqToNc7yqvGO7ycGGZR1NM0UNCMaAqNgEALw_wcB

Immigration rose dramatically during the 01135809 administration...until Covid.  The rose again, by a smaller percentage, under Biden...but still not to the previous levels (as of Sept, 2021).



Understanding that there is more to immigration (legal and illegal) than who is in the oval office, we have not seen a huge increase in it despite cries that "the left" wants open borders. 

According to the Pew Research Center, here are the numbers for Obama, Trump, then Biden.

2013: 1.16M
2014: 1.18M
2015: 1.14M
2016: 1.09M
2017: 400,000
2018: 600,000
2019: 851,000
2020: 400,000
2021: 1.73M
2022: 2.37M

The man in charge has more power than you say he does, and denying that is just a cop out. It’s a problem, if it weren’t, the mayor of NYC wouldn’t be saying they’ll be the death of NYC, and Martha’s Vineyard wouldn’t have called the national guard to deport a mere 50 that they couldn’t handle. We gotta reach across the aisles and agree on reality at some point.

[LSUfaninTN]

(08-31-2023, 11:45 AM)pally Wrote: Until Congress stops using immigration as a political talking point and finally fixes the LEGAL immigration system, there is no hope of ever stopping illegal immigration.  Give people a legal avenue of realistically immigrating in a reasonable time period and the incentive to come illegally goes away.

Right now from Mexico, it can take up to 20 years to be able to legally immigrate to this country and then it can take just as long to obtain citizenship or even a green card the backlog is so high

Agreed with the first part of your first sentence, but the legal immigration difficulty is vastly overblown. No one is entitled to citizenship in another country. We have “sanctuary cities” and house refugees, while most places elsewhere put a time limit on them. 

I’ve got plenty of Israeli, German, Spanish and Mexican friends back in Los Angeles who got their citizenship within a few years. I tried to get Danish and Swedish citizenship for 4 years because I played in a prominent Scandinavian band and worked in Denmark and Sweden about 6 months a year for 4 years. I failed. 7 of the Danish producers and songwriters, on the other hand, moved to L.A. and got their citizenship within a few years. 

[*pally*]

1). No one in the left promotes or desires open borders. What they have talked about is treating migrants with dignity and respect instead of hate. Stop with talking about them like they are all serial killers. Understand that the vast majority simply want the chance at a better life at their families. the border being “open” is a narrative Republicans and right wing media made up. If we had an open border why would we employ ICE and CBP people? Why would there be lines at passport controls? There are nearly 2 million encounters with migrants each year at the border. 2/3rds of the border encounters result in immediate expulsion.
The whole open borders narrative gets promoted in the home countries setting the stage for migration. But hey, as much as they “complain” about open borders, Republicans would far rather undercut a Democrat’s presidency than actually do something about solving the problem. The Republican controlled House had done nothing concerning immigration.

2) migrants head for large cities, sanctuary or otherwise. Cities have jobs. Cities have existing immigrant populations. You can get “lost” in a large city whereas a newcomer stands out in rural or less populated areas. There is safety in the anonymity of a large city.

3) the illegal immigration issue will never get solved until we fix our broken legal immigration system which is still designed with more favorable policies towards European immigrants instead of regional.