COVID-19 Stimulus

[*michaelsean*]

(04-03-2020, 09:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: Breech and Michael bring up something I talked about on Facebook yesterday:  The conspiracy theorists are out in force right now.

This time it seems to be leaning right with the "conservatives" and "libertarians" claiming this is a hoax to take away their rights, guns, etc.

Even had that lunatic try and fly a train into a boat. 

I see memes saying not to take the check if Trump isn't your president, and not to take it if you're against socialism.

But they'll all take their money from the government.

I don't think anything is a hoax, but the amount of unchecked authority our governor seems to have is a bit startling.  

[*michaelsean*]

Just curious, and I don't know if anyone has bothered to check, but has there been any noticeable worldwide reduction in pollution?

[*Nately120*]

(04-03-2020, 09:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: Breech and Michael bring up something I talked about on Facebook yesterday:  The conspiracy theorists are out in force right now.

This time it seems to be leaning right with the "conservatives" and "libertarians" claiming this is a hoax to take away their rights, guns, etc.

Even had that lunatic try and fly a train into a boat. 

I see memes saying not to take the check if Trump isn't your president, and not to take it if you're against socialism.

But they'll all take their money from the government.

Our entire existence as a species is based around giving ourselves situational excuses while attributing the actions of others to static personal characteristics. 

I take the check because I'm unlucky and earned it but others who take it are lazy and greedy. 

[GMDino]

(04-03-2020, 09:14 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Just curious, and I don't know if anyone has bothered to check, but has there been any noticeable worldwide reduction in pollution?

Right when this started there was in China.

I'll see if I can find the image.

And I saw a story shared that the water in Venice was clearing and the ozone healing was increasing...but I did not verify that one.

Edit:

Story:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/china-air-pollution-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

[NATI BENGALS]

(04-03-2020, 09:13 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't think anything is a hoax, but the amount of unchecked authority our governor seems to have is a bit startling.  

Well you should... That is probably the reason you have an orange serial sexual assaulter lying conman for a president who now has his son in law speaking on behalf of the White House during a freaking pandemic thanks to his facebook research........


Anywho...

This is the most ironic shit I have ever seen.

Guess which shitty ass administration cut funding to the PREDICT program?

Scientists Were Hunting for the Next Ebola. Now the U.S. Has Cut Off Their Funding.

Predict, a government research program, sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html










Clown show

Get this religious businessman conman bullshit out of my government. Science is king. My species is being threatened more so than ever in my life because of morons. 

[Dill]

(04-03-2020, 11:44 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well you should... That is probably the reason you have an orange serial sexual assaulter lying conman for a president who now has his son in law speaking on behalf of the White House during a freaking pandemic thanks to his facebook research........


Anywho...

This is the most ironic shit I have ever seen.

Guess which shitty ass administration cut funding to the PREDICT program?

Scientists Were Hunting for the Next Ebola. Now the U.S. Has Cut Off Their Funding.

Predict, a government research program, sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html

So these guys were standing around getting paychecks when there was no pandemic.

How much did Trump save the taxpayers by cutting their funding?

MSM won't tell you that!

[*michaelsean*]

(04-03-2020, 09:45 AM)GMDino Wrote: Right when this started there was in China.

I'll see if I can find the image.

And I saw a story shared that the water in Venice was clearing and the ozone healing was increasing...but I did not verify that one.

Edit:

Story:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/china-air-pollution-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

Oh Cool.  I've never been, but I heard the Venice Canals were pretty bad.  Not worth the price Italy is paying, but pretty cool if they clear up.

[*michaelsean*]

(04-03-2020, 11:44 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well you should... That is probably the reason you have an orange serial sexual assaulter lying conman for a president who now has his son in law speaking on behalf of the White House during a freaking pandemic thanks to his facebook research........


Anywho...

This is the most ironic shit I have ever seen.

Guess which shitty ass administration cut funding to the PREDICT program?

Scientists Were Hunting for the Next Ebola. Now the U.S. Has Cut Off Their Funding.

Predict, a government research program, sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html










Clown show

Get this religious businessman conman bullshit out of my government. Science is king. My species is being threatened more so than ever in my life because of morons. 

Sounds like a good thing to have at a cheap price.  Hopefully some other countries or maybe the UN are doing similar work.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(04-03-2020, 12:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Oh Cool.  I've never been, but I heard the Venice Canals were pretty bad.  Not worth the price Italy is paying, but pretty cool if they clear up.

From what I read, the Venice canals clearing up is less a reduction of pollution and more a sharp decline in boat traffic that stirs up silt/dirt/whatnot on the bottom of the canals.

Just like how the Ohio River gets after it rains really hard and it causes the river to run faster over the clay on the bottom.

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[fredtoast]

(04-02-2020, 10:47 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That liberals think they have a point with this (You’re not the first) is astounding.

The liberals do have a point.  It is amazing that you missed it.


How would the private sector have fixed this problem without government intrevention?

[*michaelsean*]

(04-05-2020, 10:30 AM)fredtoast Wrote: The liberals do have a point.  It is amazing that you missed it.


How would the private sector have fixed this problem without government intrevention?

Maybe you’re arguing something different? It’s the government intervention that caused the problem for them. They ordered businesses to close forcing ten million people out of work in just two weeks.

[GMDino]

(04-06-2020, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe you’re arguing something different?  It’s the government intervention that caused the problem for them. They ordered businesses to close forcing ten million people out of work in just two weeks.

No one forced anyone to layoff their employes.

Some offered voluntary layoffs.

Some laid them off on their own.

But you know why worry about saving lives when there's a business to run...right?

[*michaelsean*]

(04-06-2020, 10:38 AM)GMDino Wrote: No one forced anyone to layoff their employes.

Some offered voluntary layoffs.

Some laid them off on their own.

But you know why worry about saving lives when there's a business to run...right?

I'm replying to a specific statement, and most companies can't pay their employees when there is no income.  To try to switch this around to some gotcha is ridiculous,and I assume Breech was just having some fun.

[fredtoast]

(04-06-2020, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe you’re arguing something different?  It’s the government intervention that caused the problem for them. They ordered businesses to close forcing ten million people out of work in just two weeks.

No.  I am not arguing anything different.

How would the free market have addressed the problem of the pandemic?  You honestly think that if they did not close down then there would have been zero impact on the economy?

[*michaelsean*]

(04-06-2020, 11:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  I am not arguing anything different.

How would the free market have addressed the problem of the pandemic?  You honestly think that if they did not close down then there would nhave been zerom impact on the economy?

That is a different argument, and if we are talking free market, they wouldn't have addressed it all.  There would have been an impact, but they wouldn't have been reduced to zero income for an unspecified amount of time.  The government took the steps, and therefore the government is responsible.  

[fredtoast]

(03-30-2020, 01:19 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It all depends.  If you fail because the government shut you down or a pandemic means you have no customers, that's not really on you.  

(04-06-2020, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe you’re arguing something different?  It’s the government intervention that caused the problem for them. 

You are the one changing the argument.

You don't thiunk businesses would have had any problems if the government had not forced them to shut down?

Liberals haver a very good point about government assitance being necessary to address the problem.  You are just trying to dodge it.

[*michaelsean*]

(04-06-2020, 12:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are the one changing the argument.

You don't thiunk businesses would have had any problems if the government had not forced them to shut down?

Liberals haver a very good point about government assitance being necessary to address the problem.  You are just trying to dodge it.

Because some businesses are allowed to be open but people are being told to stay at home and or are unemployed. It’s all a result of the same intervention even if that intervention was the correct thing to do.

Maybe I misunderstood Breech and he was talking about fixing the pandemic where I thought he was talking about fixing the economy as the result of the shutdown.

But just to clarify so we don't keep arguing about what I think, I have no problem with businesses taking money from the government if they were affected by the shutdowns, and I don’t believe that’s hypocritical.