Coronavirus Information...who do you trust?

[Mickeypoo]

(09-28-2020, 11:01 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What’s the context?

Just Google "Feinstein airport no mask".

[Mickeypoo]

(09-29-2020, 12:31 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Fine, don't wear a mask...be just like your hero, Nancy Pelosi...she's so cool!

I wear a mask when required.  You got the Pelosi sarcasm correct.  She is a treat.

[BmorePat87]

(09-29-2020, 08:51 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Just Google "Feinstein airport no mask".

That inexcusable. Despite that hypocrisy, masks certainly are important. 

[Mickeypoo]

(09-29-2020, 09:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That inexcusable. Despite that hypocrisy, masks certainly are important. 

Didn't mean to make it sound like masks were not important.  Feinstein specifically spoke about everyone in airports wearing masks.  Rules for thee, not for me, says most politicians.

[GMDino]

(09-29-2020, 01:23 AM)Benton Wrote: Pelosi, Feinstein, Trump and Pence ... maybe all just running the same con?

Dang. I wear my mask into 99% of the businesses I go into but I forgot my mask at the vet yesterday.  Now I'm in on it too!

[*Nately120*]

(09-29-2020, 09:32 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Didn't mean to make it sound like masks were not important.  Feinstein specifically spoke about everyone in airports wearing masks.  Rules for thee, not for me, says most politicians.

I hear ya, but if getting away with stuff the average person wouldn't get away with irks you in a politician why vote for Trump? 

[Vas Deferens]

(09-29-2020, 10:06 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I hear ya, but if getting away with stuff the average person wouldn't get away with irks you in a politician why vote for Trump? 

‘cuz WhatsApps =/= EMAILS!

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

As the CDC director stated less than two weeks ago, our current best defenses against Covid 19 are wearing a mask, frequent hand washing, social distancing, and avoiding crowds.

[Mickeypoo]

(09-29-2020, 09:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: Dang. I wear my mask into 99% of the businesses I go into but I forgot my mask at the vet yesterday.  Now I'm in on it too!

They are sucking you in!  Resist! 

The difference is you were not calling for masks at the vet and telling everyone they had to wear masks while at the vet while also being viewed on a national level

[Mickeypoo]

(09-29-2020, 10:06 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I hear ya, but if getting away with stuff the average person wouldn't get away with irks you in a politician why vote for Trump? 

They all do it.  I couldn't vote for anyone if I followed that logic.  lol

[*Nately120*]

(09-29-2020, 01:14 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: They all do it.  I couldn't vote for anyone if I followed that logic.  lol

So do we decide who does it the least or most or just toss em all in the "guilty why bother splitting hairs" pile?

[Vas Deferens]

could someone let me know when daddys is being serious or 'sarcastic' when talking in an official capacity about the virus that's taken down the country? or maybe have him only be serious going forward? that might help.

[*Nately120*]

(09-30-2020, 02:26 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: could someone let me know when daddys is being serious or 'sarcastic' when talking in an official capacity about the virus that's taken down the country?  or maybe have him only be serious going forward?  that might help.

Trump having to say he was sarcastic or lying about aspects of covid in order to save face in some sense is some sorry ass stuff. 

He's lied and he's been sarcastic and apparently the death toll would have been ten times higher without him.  Wacky. 

[Vas Deferens]

(09-30-2020, 02:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump having to say he was sarcastic or lying about aspects of covid in order to save face in some sense is some sorry ass stuff. 

He's lied and he's been sarcastic and apparently the death toll would have been ten times higher without him.  Wacky. 

Next spin - laughter is the best medicine. Daddy was trying to Patch Adams the country to turn that pandemic frown upside down.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-30-2020, 05:15 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Next spin - laughter is the best medicine. Daddy was trying to Patch Adams the country to turn that pandemic frown upside down.

I thought he was trying to “thank u, next” us.

[Vas Deferens]

(09-30-2020, 06:01 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I thought he was trying to “thank u, next” us.

Need to check and see if any of his ardent supporters identified the sarcasm I guess.

[Vas Deferens]

I trust Hope Hicks.

[GMDino]

(10-01-2020, 11:26 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I trust Hope Hicks.

Interestingly the WH did not release the news until hours after it broke on Twitter by Jennifer Jacobs.

Trump later announced it on Hannity that he was being tested along with his wife.

This morning I heard that Chris Christie spent Saturday til Tuesday at the WH doing debate prep and he said no one wore a mask the entire time.

Contact tracing will be very important here.

Biden is already being tested...though he was a good distance away Tuesday.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-02-2020, 08:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: Interestingly the WH did not release the news until hours after it broke on Twitter by Jennifer Jacobs.

Trump later announced it on Hannity that he was being tested along with his wife.

This morning I heard that Chris Christie spent Saturday til Tuesday at the WH doing debate prep and he said no one wore a mask the entire time.

Contact tracing will be very important here.

Biden is already being tested...though he was a good distance away Tuesday.

Ah, Trump tried to Manchurian Candidate Biden with some biological warfare using the China virus. Pretty ballsy using yourself as the vector instead of contaminated blankets.

[GMDino]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/06/covid-vaccine-white-house-blocks-new-fda-guidelines-approval/3634891001/

Quote:The White House has blocked new Food and Drug Administration guidelines on bringing potential vaccines for COVID-19 to market that would almost certainly have prevented their introduction before the Nov. 3 election.

At issue was the FDA's planned instruction that vaccine developers follow patients enrolled in their trials for at least two months to rule out safety issues before seeking emergency approval from the agency. A senior administration confirmed the move Monday evening, saying the White House believed there was “no clinical or medical reason” for the additional requirement.


The White House action was first reported by The New York Times.


The intervention by Trump officials is the latest example of the administration undercutting its own medical experts working to combat the pandemic that has killed more than 210,000 Americans. FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn has been attempting to shore up public confidence in the FDA's vaccine review for weeks, vowing that career scientists, not politicians, will decide if the shots are safe and effective for mass vaccination.


But President Donald Trump has repeatedly insisted that a vaccine could be authorized before Election Day, even though top government scientists working on the administration's vaccine effort have stated that that timeline is very unlikely.

Last week, seven former FDA commissioners blasted the administration for “undermining the credibility” of the FDA in a Washington Post op-ed and called for the release of the pending vaccine guidelines. The former FDA chiefs warned that public fears that a vaccine was rushed out for political reasons could derail efforts to vaccinate millions of Americans.


The senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the action, said the White House was intent on getting a safe vaccine to market and wanted to make sure “additional loopholes” weren’t added that would slow down the process.

Beyond the damaging optics of overruling its own FDA, the practical impact of the White House move against the guidelines could be relatively limited.


Only one drugmaker, Pfizer, has suggested it could have data on the safety and effectiveness of its vaccine before Election Day. And a number of variables would still have to align for the company to submit, and the FDA to review and greenlight, a vaccine application before Nov. 3. Pfizer's competitors Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are working on longer research timelines.

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Additionally, FDA scientists have been discussing the contents of the guidelines publicly for weeks and have made clear that the recommendations have already been shared with each of the vaccine developers.

“There’s no there there to get all excited about this guidance,” said Dr. Peter Marks, the head of FDA's vaccine division, in an online interview last week with the nonprofit Friends of Cancer Research. “The companies know what we’re expecting.”


Instead, Marks said, releasing the guidelines was “an attempt to help the public see what we're requiring of COVID-19 vaccines.” He added that the guidelines would explain that all upcoming vaccines would be reviewed by FDA's independent panel of outside vaccine advisers, before the agency makes its own final decision.


Marks explained Monday that the two months of safety follow-up for vaccines is important because the most serious side effects connected with shots often occur in the first several weeks after vaccination.


“The safety profile of a vaccine that's going to be used in millions of people has to be incredibly clean,” Marks said in an online discussion with the Journal of American Medical Association.


When asked about the potential timing for a first vaccine, Marks said an emergency authorization could come “before the end of the year.”

The guidelines blocked by the White House are a type of nonbinding document that the FDA routinely uses to advise companies on research and regulatory standards for medical products.


The FDA released its initial expectations for COVID-19 vaccines in June. Among other metrics, the agency said that any vaccine would have to be at least 50% protective against the virus. But the guidelines didn't spell out the conditions under which the FDA would use its emergency authorization powers to speed up the availability of a vaccine. Under emergency review, medical products face a lower standard than full that merely requires that their expected benefits outweigh their risks for use during a public health crisis.

The lack of specifics around using the emergency authorization for a vaccine became a flashpoint for outside experts, physicians and even politicians. FDA officials then began drafting a second guidance document with additional details.


Among other things, the guidelines would have made clear that any vaccine approved through the emergency pathway would still need to meet FDA’s preset safety and effectiveness standards. Instead, the expedited process would be used to bypass certain logistical and regulatory hurdles, such as the thousands of pages of manufacturing documentation normally required for a traditional vaccine application.


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Emergency authorization for a vaccine would likely limit initial use to medical and other frontline workers, nursing homes and people most at risk of catching or becoming seriously ill from the virus. The vaccine would have to undergo review for full FDA approval, a monthslong process, before being approved for the general population
The FDA has faced criticism for allowing emergency use of some COVID-19 treatments backed by little evidence, including the the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, but FDA officials have made clear that vaccines would face additional standards. Vaccines, unlike therapies, are given to healthy people and thus usually require more safety evidence.


But Trump made clear last month that he was skeptical of any regulatory changes that might delay a vaccine’s authorization, even if those changes are aimed at increasing public trust.


“I think that was a political move more than anything else,” he said then, arguing that that the companies testing the vaccines, such as Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson and Moderna, are capable of determining whether they work. “I have tremendous trust in these massive companies,” he said.


FDA spokespersons did not respond to requests for comment Monday night.