(03-26-2020, 12:55 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So this is still preliminary, but looks like 2018 W2's will be used for everyone's income. Those under 75.000 will get 1200 dollars. If you are a couple, it is 2400. You also get 500 per kid. Estimated time frame is about 3 weeks after the bill is approved.
I don't think I'll get anything from this entire bill, which is fine, but I don't know why they are sending out checks to everyone in the correct income range regardless of employment status. There's no place to even spend the money.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(03-26-2020, 12:55 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So this is still preliminary, but looks like 2018 W2's will be used for everyone's income. Those under 75.000 will get 1200 dollars. If you are a couple, it is 2400. You also get 500 per kid. Estimated time frame is about 3 weeks after the bill is approved.
I think that they'll use 2018 if you haven't filed yet this year.
At least I hope so, my wife left work and we had a kid last year. Filed my taxes REAL quick after hearing about the bill.
I'm sitting here retired from mid 2019 so I don't know for sure how I get treated. I was making no current income this year, and yet they may go back to when I was still working. I believe there is an addendum for a correction later based on next year's filing.
(03-26-2020, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: A quick read of conservative twitter is showing a trend of "we have to stop criticizing the POTUS for what he says and does because he really cares about that it makes him even worse."
That's where they are headed...stop telling the truth because Trump gets mad about it and then he does even worse things and it will be YOUR fault for making him worse.
(03-26-2020, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: A quick read of conservative twitter is showing a trend of "we have to stop criticizing the POTUS for what he says and does because he really cares about that it makes him even worse."
That's where they are headed...stop telling the truth because Trump gets mad about it and then he does even worse things and it will be YOUR fault for making him worse.
If Trump is being a snowflake it is our prime objective to insult and upset him. The horse is outta the barn on this one!
Is it too much to ask for the death penalty for ones like this?
Ok slightly joking of course, but when something much worse than Corona comes along some day and if people do this, I don't think I would have much of an issue with it.. lol
Quote:The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago. “Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”
The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.
“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.
The playbook also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump's recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.
“The U.S. government will use all powers at its disposal to prevent, slow or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat,” according to the playbook’s built-in “assumptions” about fighting future threats. “The American public will look to the U.S. government for action when multi-state or other significant events occur.” The guide further calls for a “unified message” on the federal response, in order to best manage the American public's questions and concerns. “Early coordination of risk communications through a single federal spokesperson is critical,” the playbook urges. However, the U.S. response to coronavirus has featured a rotating cast of spokespeople and conflicting messages; Trump already is discussing loosening government recommendations on coronavirus in order to “open” the economy by Easter, despite the objections of public health advisers.
The NSC devised the guide — officially called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents, but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — across 2016. The project was driven by career civil servants as well as political appointees, aware that global leaders had initially fumbled their response to the 2014-2015 spread of Ebola and wanting to be sure that the next response to an epidemic was better handled.
The Trump administration was briefed on the playbook’s existence in 2017, said four former officials, but two cautioned that it never went through a full, National Security Council-led interagency process to be approved as Trump administration strategy. Tom Bossert, who was then Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about its potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.
Bossert declined to comment on any particular document, but told POLITICO that “I engaged actively with my outgoing counterpart and took seriously their transition materials and recommendations on pandemic preparedness.”
The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies. “These are recommended discussions to be having on all levels, to ensure that there’s a structure to make decisions in real-time,” said a second former official.
An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”
A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.
Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.
But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.
It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.
The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.
But under the Trump administration, “it just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf,” said one former U.S. official, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations. “It’s hard to tell how much senior leaders at agencies were even aware that this existed” or thought it was just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy.
The NSC playbook would have been especially useful in helping to drive the administration’s response to coronavirus, given that it was intended to guide urgent decisions and coordinate the all-of-government approach that Trump so far has struggled to muster, said people familiar with the document. The color-coded playbook contains different sections based on the relative risk — green for normal operations, yellow for elevated threat, orange for credible threat and red once a public health emergency is declared — and details the potential roles of dozens of departments and agencies, from key players like the Health and Human Services department to the Department of Transportation and the FBI. It also includes sample documents intended to be used at coordinating meetings.
“While each emerging infectious disease threat will present itself in a unique way, a consistent, capabilities-based approach to addressing these threats will allow for faster decisions with more targeted expert subject matter input from federal departments and agencies,” the playbook reads.
The playbook lays out different strategies for policymakers based on the severity of the crisis and shares lessons gleaned from past outbreaks. For instance, one section is devoted to addressing 34 “key questions” and 21 “key decisions” as soon as there is a “credible threat” — which in the case of coronavirus would have been early-to-mid January, as it raged in China and as the first U.S. case was detected on Jan. 20 — and calls on officials to move quickly.
“We recommend early budget and financial analysis of various response scenarios and an early decision to request supplemental funding from Congress, if needed,” the guide urges. But the Trump administration waited more than a month to ask for emergency funding after the timeline laid out in the playbook.
The playbook also repeatedly urges officials to question official numbers about the viral spread. “What is our level of confidence on the case detection rate?” reads one question. “Is diagnostic capacity keeping up?”But across January and much of February, Trump administration officials publicly insisted that their diagnostic efforts were sufficient to detect coronavirus. Officials now privately concede that the administration’s well-documented testing problems have contributed to the outbreak’s silent spread across the United States, and health experts say that diagnostic capacity is only now in late March catching up to the need.
In a subsequent section, the playbook details steps to take if there’s evidence that the virus is spreading among humans, which the World Health Organization concluded by Jan. 22, or the U.S. government declared a public health emergency, which HHS Secretary Alex Azar did on Jan. 31. Under that timeline, the federal government by late January should have been taking a lead role in “coordination of workforce protection activities including… [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment.” Those efforts are only now getting underway, health workers and doctors say.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(03-26-2020, 09:53 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I like to shit on Liberty as much as anyone. As someone working in higher education in Virginia, they are an institution I have to deal with (albeit not as often as the other state schools) and they are trash. They aren't that far down the road from me and I know a lot of people that have attended the school in person and/or online, so I know more than most how lackluster their curriculum and administration is. That being said, this is a rather ignorant statement.
Lynchburg, the town in which LU sits, is going to pay the price for this decision. Students returning from hither and yon to their college towns always bring with them a myriad of exotic illnesses to a community. The "freshman flu" is a common thing on campuses for students and employees alike and happens in the wider community because students aren't confined to campus grounds. They visit local businesses, they go to local parks, and we want them to. College students are a vital part of the communities and economies of college towns, but there are downsides to their presence and bringing disease with them is one of those downsides. If every student were to go to Falwell's office and cough and sneeze on his stuff and then not go anywhere else to infect others, sure, but that's not what is going to happen. People will get sick in the surrounding community because of this asshole's stupid decision.
Maybe it will get that piece of shit family run out of there. Jr is worse than his dickfaced father. I hope it shuts that place down. If the town of Lynchburg sees a problem with the way Jr conducts his business, perhaps they should stand up to his arrogant stupidity. If they consider what his flippant attitude could bring down on them, then they should be out in full force with torches and pitchforks.
Damn I always liked Michael Rappaport. Didn’t know he was such an unhinged lunatic.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(03-26-2020, 07:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: Did they really say that it can't be spread human to human two months ago when it was already spreading?
C'mon...Why make crap up?
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China??. pic.twitter.com/Fnl5P877VG
There's videos from even at late as Jan 23rd where the head of WHO said word for word that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission outside of China, and said that the cases of human-to-human transmission in China seemed to be limited to family groups and healthcare workers taking care of them.
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China??. pic.twitter.com/Fnl5P877VG
There's videos from even at late as Jan 23rd where the head of WHO said word for word that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission outside of China, and said that the cases of human-to-human transmission in China seemed to be limited to family groups and healthcare workers taking care of them.
So they reported why the Chinese said and then two weeks later said the opposite.
'K...sure.
I mean it was China...I bet lots of places "reported" that news from there at the time.
Where was Trump during that? LMAO!
"Take the L"
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
In more current news the POTUS is deploying our military to the Canadian border.
To sum up. The United States is deploying its military along the Canadian border to block shipments of illegal steel from China. Did I hear that right? https://t.co/ZlhOKqOimE
(03-26-2020, 09:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: So they reported why the Chinese said and then two weeks later said the opposite.
'K...sure.
Where was Trump during that? LMAO!
"Take the L"
You asked if they really said that, and then said not to make stuff up. I am showing you where they literally said that. It wasn't even a re-tweet or anything, the WHO decided to tweet out information and the information they tweeted out was that there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.
Asked. Answered.
WHO definitely should not be preaching about slow reaction when they're putting out bad information that helped contribute to that slow reaction. This isn't a Trump thing no matter how much you want to make it into one to ignore how badly wrong you were as you were being a pretentious dick (like normal). It's just WHO not owning up to their own failings and trying to push it on others. Trump's failings are a whole different (equally bad) matter, but not EVERY topic has to be drawn back to Trump.
(03-26-2020, 09:50 PM)GMDino Wrote: In more current news the POTUS is deploying our military to the Canadian border.
To sum up. The United States is deploying its military along the Canadian border to block shipments of illegal steel from China. Did I hear that right? https://t.co/ZlhOKqOimE
That’s just an excuse to have soldiers on the border to keep white people out.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(03-26-2020, 07:03 PM)6andcounting Wrote: WHO two months ago: Coronavirus can't be spread human-to-human
WHO Today: It's the worlds fault for not reacting more swiftly two month ago
OMG, the WHO didn’t tweet it couldn’t be spread from human to human. The WHO tweeted China reported there was no evidence of person to person spread.
No evidence of something doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Especially in the first 1-2 months of a novel virus.
To dumb it down for the Fox News audience, there is no evidence Hillary Clinton is guilty of anything even though y’all know she is guilty of everything.
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