Coronavirus

[GMDino]

(04-08-2020, 12:58 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Just last Friday, two months after the ban was created, after calling Trump Xenophobic on his campaign, Biden now says the ban was the right thing to do.

This is all well and good...none of them are POTUS.  All them have corrected course with new information.

I get that Trump supporters will continue to say things with no sources or context so that he looks less bad.

My fault for trying to provide that context while Trump is on Hannity giving medical advice and denying he ever said it wasn't a problem.

Carry on.

[GMDino]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears?fbclid=IwAR1J2x2po-iC6LIXT2q9DCVR3EQwuQuG8OUW2e-ufx52OS54JaDY6A_xHyQ

Quote:Federal Support Ends For Coronavirus Testing Sites As Pandemic Peak Nears

Updated at 3:30 p.m. ET
Some local officials are disappointed the federal government will end funding for coronavirus testing sites this Friday. In a few places those sites will close as a result. This as criticism continues that not enough testing is available.
In the Philadelphia suburbs, Montgomery County has a drive-through site that has tested 250 people a day since March 21.


"It has been a very successful site. We are hoping by the time it closes Friday afternoon that we will have tested a little over 5,000 individuals," says Dr. Valerie Arkoosh, who chairs the commission in the county of more than 825,000 people.
Montgomery County has been hit hard by the pandemic. By Tuesday the county identified 1,294 positive cases and reported 32 COVID-19-related deaths.

SHOTS - HEALTH NEWS
Coronavirus State-By-State Projections: When Will Each State Peak?


Arkoosh says local officials staffed the site and the federal government provided much-needed testing supplies and access to a lab. "This site came with a contract with LabCorp, who accepted 250 samples from this site every day," and she says the county is not able to secure the supplies and tests on its own.


Arkoosh says the site, located on a local college campus, will shut down Friday. Similar announcements have been made in Colorado Springs, Colo., and nearby Philadelphia.


A spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services tells NPR, 
"Many of the Community-Based Testing Sites (CBTS) are not closing, but rather transitioning to state-managed sites on or about April 10."


The agency and a spokesperson for FEMA say the CBTS program originally included 41 sites. It was intended as a stop-gap to bring testing to critical locations, especially for health care facility workers and first responders.


"The transition will ensure each state has the flexibility and autonomy to manage and operate testing sites within the needs of their specific community and to prioritize resources where they are needed the most," the HHS spokesperson said.

But that doesn't satisfy Arkoosh in Montgomery County, who says, "I am understandably disappointed that the supplies and federal contract for lab testing is ending just as we are heading into the surge here in southeastern Pennsylvania."


Arkoosh says local hospitals do have their own testing sites set up now, but it's not yet clear if they will be able to handle the extra testing now that the federal help is being withdrawn.

this administration never cared about testing...that would lead to too any bad numbers for them.

[hollodero]

(04-08-2020, 12:14 PM)Goalpost Wrote: End of January, Trump initiates travel ban.

Feb 1st...Washington Post....Flu is a bigger threat than Corona Virus

Feb 5th...NY Times....Corona Virus ban is "unjust'

(04-08-2020, 12:44 PM)Goalpost Wrote: January 31st...Media company VOX...tweeted to it's followers that Corona Virus would not be a pandemic.  Last week, VOX deleted their original tweet.
Apparently they wanted to erase their own reporting.

(04-08-2020, 12:58 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Just last Friday, two months after the ban was created, after calling Trump Xenophobic on his campaign, Biden now says the ban was the right thing to do.

(04-08-2020, 01:02 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Beginning of March, NY city health commissioner appears on video still telling NY'ers that the flu is more dangerous.

Beginning of March...mayor De Blasio states the threat is low.  Encourages people to ride subways, etc.

Oh these are great examples. That, of course, means everything Trump says and does is ok now.

Maybe Bernie or some CNN reporter changes an opinion based on new information too! That should Trump give a kill on the streets for free. Honestly, this whole recommending unproven drugs is not the real thing.

[Millhouse]

Guess this thread has to be just about Trump. Because bringing up anything else that should warrant a discussion of being criticized has to be a deflection for Trump. Because afterall it is all his fault.

#Biden2020 (thats who I am votin for actually)

[hollodero]

(04-08-2020, 07:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Guess this thread has to be just about Trump. Because bringing up anything else that should warrant a discussion of being criticized has to be a deflection for Trump. Because afterall it is all his fault.

Imho, no one suggests all is his fault. Mistakes were made. At all kinds of places.

I do suggest the attacks on the media or Democrats or the WHO coming from known Trump defenders are deflections though. From the many thing Trump does wrong.

Also I'm sorry to be so astonished about all that lies and misinformations the US president puts out. If any public official from my country, even a backbencher in parliament, would utter out that many falsehoods about this pandemic, he'd be done by now. And rightfully so.

[Vas Deferens]

(04-08-2020, 07:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Guess this thread has to be just about Trump. Because bringing up anything else that should warrant a discussion of being criticized has to be a deflection for Trump. Because afterall it is all his fault.

#Biden2020 (thats who I am votin for actually)

Way to not say anything. Some say you said the least amount of anything. The very least.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-08-2020, 07:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Guess this thread has to be just about Trump. Because bringing up anything else that should warrant a discussion of being criticized has to be a deflection for Trump. Because afterall it is all his fault.

#Biden2020 (thats who I am votin for actually)

Such as?

[Millhouse]

(04-08-2020, 08:03 PM)hollodero Wrote: Imho, no one suggests all is his fault. Mistakes were made. At all kinds of places.

I do suggest the attacks on the media or Democrats or the WHO coming from known Trump defenders are deflections though. From the many thing Trump does wrong.

Also I'm sorry to be so astonished about all that lies and misinformations the US president puts out. If any public official from my country, even a backbencher in parliament, would utter out that many falsehoods about this pandemic, he'd be done by now. And rightfully so.

Fair enough, but even if they are attempted deflections, they shouldnt be immediately shot down because there could be a valid point to discuss.

As to the last part, Biden2020. 

[Millhouse]

(04-09-2020, 12:13 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Way to not say anything.    Some say you said the least amount of anything.  The very least.

Was tryin to come up with a witty comeback, but why waste it for you.

(04-09-2020, 12:50 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Such as?

Pretty sure quite a few have been brought up above. 

[Dill]

(04-08-2020, 12:58 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Just last Friday, two months after the ban was created, after calling Trump Xenophobic on his campaign, Biden now says the ban was the right thing to do.

Biden calls Trump "Xenophobic" for the same reason I do: because he is XENOPHOBIC--a president who wants to stop immigration from "shithole" countries and to ban Muslims.

This is one of the reasons Trump is a bad leader--and a worse one in an international crisis that requires him to work diplomatically with other nations while poorly sorting information from scientific advisors and disinformation from Fox and Friends, and OAN. (And that's one of the reasons you are voting for Biden, right? Good on you.)

Biden said the belated ban was good. Ok. But he didn't call Trump "xenophobic" because of the ban.

PS I don't think Trump imposed a ban; just travel restrictions, right?

[hollodero]

(04-09-2020, 01:12 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Fair enough, but even if they are attempted deflections, they shouldnt be immediately shot down because there could be a valid point to discuss.

Is there?
From what I responded to, there's something inaccurate on VOX's twitter account, some possible contradiction between Washington Post and NY times in early february, a very misleading characterization of Biden's stance towards travel restrictions and something Bill de Blasio got wrong at a certain point of time. Any of that relevant?

And the intention to bring that up is quite clear. This is not about honesty or validity or good faith. Anti-media, anti-liberal, rahrahrah. It is getting really unrewarding and exhausting to still delve into these points as if they were made in good faith. They usually are not.

And yes, the most sound answer seems to be, turn your attention to the desert of wrong in the WH before searching for suspicious sandcorns someplace else. This really is a bad metaphor. And I'm more asahamed of that than of my initial reaction.

(04-09-2020, 01:12 AM)Millhouse Wrote: As to the last part, Biden2020. 

Seems reasonable.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-09-2020, 01:12 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Fair enough, but even if they are attempted deflections, they shouldnt be immediately shot down because there could be a valid point to discuss.

As to the last part, Biden2020. 

Which one did you want to discuss?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-09-2020, 02:01 AM)Dill Wrote: Biden calls Trump "Xenophobic" for the same reason I do: because he is XENOPHOBIC--a president who wants to stop immigration from "shithole" countries and to ban Muslims.

This is one of the reasons Trump is a bad leader--and a worse one in an international crisis that requires him to work diplomatically with other nations while poorly sorting information from scientific advisors and disinformation from Fox and Friends, and OAN. (And that's one of the reasons you are voting for Biden, right? Good on you.)

Biden said the belated ban was good. Ok. But he didn't call Trump "xenophobic" because of the ban.

PS I don't think Trump imposed a ban; just travel restrictions, right?

Not to mention he keeps threatening to close the border with Mexico because of the China virus because it comes from China.

[Vas Deferens]

(04-09-2020, 01:20 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Was tryin to come up with a witty comeback, but why waste it for you.

fake witticisms

[GMDino]

It is perfectly valid to discuss how others first approached their responses.  

It is equally valid to point out that the vast majority then changed and acknowledged their early error.

[GMDino]

I strongly recommend watching the documentary on the Spanish Flu that was made in 2018.

https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/americas-hidden-stories/pandemic-1918/1005729/3469170

There are parallels to the current pandemic from how it is killing people, who it is killing, how it is spread and our response to it from government to media to our neighbors.

[GMDino]

As cases increase, deaths increase and the Admin quietly starts to cut funding for tests (and not have the number of tests they said they would) the GOP begins their preparation for kick starting the economy...by suggesting a man who's theories destroyed the party in Kansas.

This should scare the shit out of everyone. Art Laffer is the genius behind the "Laffer Curve," the theory that the more you cut taxes, the more tax revenue comes in. Kansas tested that theory & wrecked their economy so hard even the GOPs endorsed the Dem candidate for governor. https://t.co/jIvTiFgqOL

— Athul K. Acharya (@AthulKAcharya) April 9, 2020

 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-09-2020, 01:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: As cases increase, deaths increase and the Admin quietly starts to cut funding for tests (and not have the number of tests they said they would) the GOP begins their preparation for kick starting the economy...by suggesting a man who's theories destroyed the party in Kansas.

This should scare the shit out of everyone. Art Laffer is the genius behind the "Laffer Curve," the theory that the more you cut taxes, the more tax revenue comes in. Kansas tested that theory & wrecked their economy so hard even the GOPs endorsed the Dem candidate for governor. https://t.co/jIvTiFgqOL

— Athul K. Acharya (@AthulKAcharya) April 9, 2020

 

Probably want to get a third opinion about treating Covid-19 with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin despite a lack of evidence from another economist unqualified to prescribe an aspirin.

[Belsnickel]

Hope everyone is doing okay in this cluster **** and doing their best to avoid getting sick despite the piss poor leadership taking place in Washington DC.

I have mostly been working from home, fishing, and tying flies. Now, however, Shenandoah National Park is completely closed because people don't have any common ***** sense. Same for a couple of lakes that are in recreation areas in the George Washington National Forest. Not long after the stay-at-home order, here, they were shoulder-to-shoulder at the lake because of trout stocking. So now the lake is shut down and VDGIF is not announcing any stockings.

Economics wise, the state is in a hiring freeze and they are currently looking at budget cuts because the decreased economic activity will hit the budget. There are currently hundreds of adjunct instructors across the state that will likely not have jobs in the fall, adding to the already high unemployment rates. My city, in particular, is tenth in confirmed cases per capita in Virginia, so we have that going for us. That is, of course, taking into account the students that are typically considered in our population so we'd probably be a little higher on that list if we remove the 20-ish thousand students that are typically here and counted in our population of 50-ish thousand. It's also already outdated data as there are 20 more cases in the city and county than what that is based on. Well, with this hit to our city we don't want to be increasing the personal property tax like we had planned to pay for our severely overcrowded high school to have a second one built. So now we will likely see a delay in that construction which will be a problem for the city, the construction company, and the children.

This is all just a grand ol' time.

[*Nately120*]

(04-08-2020, 07:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Guess this thread has to be just about Trump. Because bringing up anything else that should warrant a discussion of being criticized has to be a deflection for Trump. Because afterall it is all his fault.

#Biden2020  (thats who I am votin for actually)

We made Trump the most important and visible man on the planet.  We aren't talking about him like he's Justin Bieber or some other famous yet ultimately irrelevant celebrity.