Coronavirus

[PV Bengal]

(05-15-2020, 09:32 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Masks are only effective if people use them.

If you're comfortable going to a large public sporting event in the middle of a pandemic with no vaccine, the odds that you're wearing a mask are relatively low.

Also, masks decrease the amount of spread through the air, but most people don't have medical grade masks. Most just have cloth masks and, while useful, those only decrease the spread, not eliminate it. 

And even beyond masks, they don't prevent you from, say, touching something that has the virus on it and then scratching your eye or eating something. These are ways the virus is transmitted irrespective of the water particles in the air.

Anybody who wants to attend the games should be able to attend as long as they sign a legally binding statement that they will not seek medical treatment if they become infected with COVID-19 ... AND ... that they agree to pay for treatment for anyone they infect with COVID-19 ... AND ... they agree not to sue any person, company or government if they become sick.

[GMDino]

Obama's team leaves a 69 page playbook.  Trump throws it away and claims three months into the shutdown that he had a plan all along that is nothing more than common sense suggestions with decision to be made by the states and local authorities.

The "community organizer" was better prepared than the "successful businessman". 

And the POTUS just put everything back in the hands of the community organizers.

[Mer]

(05-15-2020, 09:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: As I understand it, the TV networks will simulate crowd noise.  That should be interesting when the fans cheer a bad call.  I can't believe that this is going to happen, but the fear mongers are hard at work to destroy the country and (in their pathetic minds) win an election.  

Why not just limit attendance to those under 70 years of age?  That is the group that needs protection.  And immune compromised folks shouldn't be attending, either, but they have to police themselves. 

Football can survive without fan in seat revenue, due to massive TV money and fantasy, but I don't see how baseball can do it.  

Now don't go giving away the socialist plan to everyone. If everyone would open their businesses at one time (we do still live in a free country, right?) and everything went back to normal it would destroy their chances of scaring everyone into wearing useless masks that do nothing but divide the people. 

[*Nately120*]

(05-15-2020, 09:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: As I understand it, the TV networks will simulate crowd noise.  That should be interesting when the fans cheer a bad call.  I can't believe that this is going to happen, but the fear mongers are hard at work to destroy the country and (in their pathetic minds) win an election.  

Why not just limit attendance to those under 70 years of age?  That is the group that needs protection.  And immune compromised folks shouldn't be attending, either, but they have to police themselves. 

Football can survive without fan in seat revenue, due to massive TV money and fantasy, but I don't see how baseball can do it.  

Agreed.  If we changed the every time people died of something we'd constantly be under the thumb of the big brother government. 

I expect the number of covid cases to be down to 0 very soon here. 

[*Nately120*]

(05-15-2020, 10:06 AM)Mer Wrote: Now don't go giving away the socialist plan to everyone. If everyone would open their businesses at one time (we do still live in a free country, right?) and everything went back to normal it would destroy their chances of scaring everyone into wearing useless masks that do nothing but divide the people. 

Some places are open now. If/when everything is they will all just open their doors and things will go back to normal. 

It's like before the great depression when the government told people to not withdraw their savings all at once and people did it Anyways and everything was fine.

Honestly we should just open states that aren't scared and people who want to love normal lives can move there.  It's like the modern oregon trail.  Off to Mississippi to live off the fat of the land.  

[Bengalitis]

(05-15-2020, 10:09 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Some places are open now. If/when everything is they will all just open their doors and things will go back to normal. 

It's like before the great depression when the government told people to not withdraw their savings all at once and people did it Anyways and everything was fine.

Honestly we should just open states that aren't scared and people who want to love normal lives can move there.  It's like the modern oregon trail.  Off to Mississippi to live off the fat of the land.  

In the future, I can see the NFL switching to CGI games to avoid player injuries.

If the season goes on without fans in the stands, they better zoom in on those cheerleaders during the in-between game plays.  

[*Nately120*]

(05-15-2020, 10:41 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: In the future, I can see the NFL switching to CGI games to avoid player injuries.

If the season goes on without fans in the stands, they better zoom in on those cheerleaders during the in-between game plays.  

Who needs that when you can just get porn hub on your phone and look at that after every play?  You're living in the past. 

[Bengalitis]

(05-15-2020, 10:46 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Who needs that when you can just get porn hub on your phone and look at that after every play?  You're living in the past. 

I would if I had a man cave.

[*jason*]

(05-15-2020, 10:54 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: I would if I had a man cave.

One of the few positives of getting a divorce is suddenly your whole house is a man cave. I'm not recommending that though.

[*Nately120*]

Anyways, covid is nothing compared to pac man fever. We will live.

[*SHRacerX*]

(05-15-2020, 10:07 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Agreed.  If we changed the every time people died of something we'd constantly be under the thumb of the big brother government. 

I expect the number of covid cases to be down to 0 very soon here. 

Oh, the cases will rise as mass testing is finally employed...the big problem is something like 70% have no symptoms.  

[*ochocincos*]

Most of the responses in this thread need to be taken to PnR.

[*Nately120*]

(05-15-2020, 11:20 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Oh, the cases will rise as mass testing is finally employed...the big problem is something like 70% have no symptoms.  

The cases will rise?  The big problem is?

Those statements sound like something right out of the media's spooky narrative.  

[GMDino]

(05-15-2020, 08:03 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Damn. I guess we have seen just how blatant a lie has to be before McConnell walks it back. Never thought we'd see that line for him. I'm guessing it is in the sand, though.

(05-15-2020, 08:12 AM)treee Wrote: Wonder how many people will brush off the retraction as fake news and continue to believe that this is all Obama's fault?

Here's the video.

Mitch McConnell is backed into a corner and forced to admit he lied about the Obama administration not leaving a pandemic plan, on Fox.pic.twitter.com/dQCNro43XS

— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) May 14, 2020

 


Hopefully viewers know enough people in the video to make this worthwhile posting.  

[Big Boss]

(05-15-2020, 11:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Most of the responses in this thread need to be taken to PnR.

Big time.

[*SHRacerX*]

(05-15-2020, 11:24 AM)Nately120 Wrote: The cases will rise?  The big problem is?

Those statements sound like something right out of the media's spooky narrative.  

I was making fun of the media...guess I needed the Ninja emoji.  They will rant and rave about a 500% increase in new cases, but fail to point out that they are largely asymptomatic.  

[*Nately120*]

(05-15-2020, 11:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Most of the responses in this thread need to be taken to PnR.

True, it's probably time to pop back there and stop pretending I reinvented myself. 

[Wes Mantooth]

Regarding the idea of having fans spaced out, and limited capacity stadiums, I just don't see how this would be feasible. It seems like it would be a logistics nightmare. I personally think it has to be all or nothing, take your pick, as far as attendance.

Let's assume they went ahead and decided to sell limited tickets, and space people out...

-Who gets the tickets? Season ticket holders first? Only season ticket holders? Is it a raffle? Do you get a discount if your new, segregated seats are worse than the ticket package you paid for?

-Who enforces the distancing? Added security? Do you place them all throughout the stadium, in each section? That's going to get expensive.

-Do you open concessions? How do you ensure their distancing? How do you ensure their customers are distancing while in line? More security?

-How do you approach enforcing distancing entering and exiting the stadium? In the lots? In the concourses? In the bathrooms? etc.. More and more security?

-How many seats need to be sold just to be pay for opening the stadium to fans? Security, ticketing, concessions, on-site medical personnel, and insurance adds up to a significant amount. It may actually be cheaper just to eliminate all non-essential staff and liabilities than to pay them out and only generate revenue from a reduced capacity. Tje point I'm trying to make, simply put, is there may not be much, if any, of a profit after considering the above.

-What happens if there's either a reported outbreak from people who recently attended a game, or numbers ramp up locally? Now do you then switch to empty stadiums? How much of a nightmare could that create as far as refunds for tickets sold. How much time and energy, and MONEY, was wasted implimenting all of the above, to then have to just abandon it mid-season.

I think the idea that sports can just let in, say, only 30% of capacity and then simply space them out sounds great in theory. But I just think the reality would be an asbolute clusterf#ck.

The amount of measures that would need to be taken to do this would be significant if you were to do try to enforce it throughout the entire stadium. And even after all that, only a few tailgate lots off-site could make much of these efforts meaningless.

I keep my fingers crossed that there will be a season. I think there will be. But it's look more and more likely that it will be in empy stadiums IMO.

Someone from Fox just came out the other day and said they've already started planning for pumping in crowd noise and using "virtual fans" for telecasts. Virtual fans I guess means you're basically superimposing something like video game fans into the stands of a live broadcast. That sounds WILD.

We'll see... I just hope some of these Universities closing down for the fall doesn't create a domino effect of canceled sports. IMHO we really need baseball to agree on something soon, so they can show everyone that it can be done. Because if they elect to cancel the season, and you have numerous colleges canceling their seasons, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the NFL to follow suit.

[*jason*]

(05-15-2020, 11:28 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I was making fun of the media...guess I needed the Ninja emoji.  They will rant and rave about a 500% increase in new cases, but fail to point out that they are largely asymptomatic.  

That would be all fine and good if asymptomatic people only spread asymptomatic cases of an infection. Unfortunately that's not how it works.

[CJD]

(05-15-2020, 10:06 AM)Mer Wrote: Now don't go giving away the socialist plan to everyone. If everyone would open their businesses at one time (we do still live in a free country, right?) and everything went back to normal it would destroy their chances of scaring everyone into wearing useless masks that do nothing but divide the people. 

Why do masks divide people?

Who politicized masks?

Because it wasn't "the socialists."