Democrat Convention Thread

[Millhouse]

(07-29-2016, 08:12 AM)McC Wrote: The only problem with that is then you have her as President and she couldn't even be trusted with emails.

Plus, it's preposterous to think Trump would do anything with nuclear weapons anyway.

These asswipes will say anything.

Dumb and dumber running against each other for president.  Or should I say Vile and Viler.

I dont like either overall as Hillary definitely has baggage. But Trump is just nuts & simply not qualified to go from being an egotistical businessman reality tv star maniac straight to the White House.

But I wont vote Dem all the way either. I will vote Hillary, then vote Repubs for Congress. I dont agree with her & Bernie in having free college and collge debts wiped free and quite a few other things. Just get through the next 4 years until hopefully Repubs can put up a much better candidate. On flipside if Trump somehow wins, wait for years and hope the Dems can put someone up better assuming we arent in WW3 by then.

[McC]

(07-29-2016, 01:23 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I dont like either overall as Hillary definitely has baggage. But Trump is just nuts & simply not qualified to go from being an egotistical businessman reality tv star maniac straight to the White House.

But I wont vote Dem all the way either. I will vote Hillary, then vote Repubs for Congress. I dont agree with her & Bernie in having free college and collge debts wiped free and quite a few other things. Just get through the next 4 years until hopefully Repubs can put up a much better candidate. On flipside if Trump somehow wins, wait for years and hope the Dems can put someone up better assuming we arent in WW3 by then.

It's like the GOP has been going out of its way to keep coming up with candidates who can't win.  If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd have to wonder what the hell is going on with that.

I think all this big fear of Trump starting WWIII is preposterous.  That's just the Dem's trying to scare voters into thinking Hillary is better.  Who's he gonna go to war with?

Really, all either one of them is going to do is nothing.  In four years, we'll be right about where we are now.

And this so called witch hunt for Hillbag...if she wins, it will get way worse.  Her presidency will be overwhelmed by it.  Whoever has it in for her will only increase the intensity of the attacks and they won't stop until she's either brought down or out of office.  That should be quite a circus.

The biggest thing about both these fools is that both are dividers, when what the country really needs is a uniter.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

I'm not a fan of the extremes both parties are going to.  I do get a perverse amount of amusement with how much vitriol is directed at Trump form the left when he is, by far, the most socially moderate GOP candidate in decades.  Yes, I understand he has other baggage.

[Belsnickel]

(07-29-2016, 05:27 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not a fan of the extremes both parties are going to.  I do get a perverse amount of amusement with how much vitriol is directed at Trump form the left when he is, by far, the most socially moderate GOP candidate in decades.  Yes, I understand he has other baggage.

I disagree. The biggest reason is honestly we don't know where he really stands on things. But also because while he has made claims to a couple of key socially liberal policies there is quite a bit more he does not hold to, or at least does not appear to. He is definitely far from a social moderate no matter his personal beliefs on abortion or same-sex marriage (which I truly believe he is just ambivalent on and has no real opinion).

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-29-2016, 08:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I disagree. The biggest reason is honestly we don't know where he really stands on things. But also because while he has made claims to a couple of key socially liberal policies there is quite a bit more he does not hold to, or at least does not appear to. He is definitely far from a social moderate no matter his personal beliefs on abortion or same-sex marriage (which I truly believe he is just ambivalent on and has no real opinion).

I'm almost in complete agreement with you on this and I think that's why he's the most socially moderate GOP candidate in decades.  He doesn't care about abortion (personally I think he's definitely pro-choice), he's not upset by gay marriage and the bathroom issue is a non-issue to him.  Compared to Cruz he's practically a Cal professor.

[Belsnickel]

(07-29-2016, 11:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm almost in complete agreement with you on this and I think that's why he's the most socially moderate GOP candidate in decades.  He doesn't care about abortion (personally I think he's definitely pro-choice), he's not upset by gay marriage and the bathroom issue is a non-issue to him.  Compared to Cruz he's practically a Cal professor.

I just see a lot of hallmarks of a social conservative in his attitudes towards segments of the population. He is ambivalent policy-wise (which is why Pence probably made his recent comments, because they will talk him into it) but his personal attitudes are more conservative.

[*bfine32*]

(07-29-2016, 08:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I disagree. The biggest reason is honestly we don't know where he really stands on things. But also because while he has made claims to a couple of key socially liberal policies there is quite a bit more he does not hold to, or at least does not appear to. He is definitely far from a social moderate no matter his personal beliefs on abortion or same-sex marriage (which I truly believe he is just ambivalent on and has no real opinion).

You don't know where he really stands on things, but you disagree? 

[Belsnickel]

(07-30-2016, 12:24 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You don't know where he really stands on things, but you disagree? 

The show he puts on, his persona, is not socially moderate or liberal. What I was saying about not really knowing is his policy attitudes. Since he panders to his audience so much it is hard to pin it down on social policies.

It made sense in my head, I forgot that any wiggle rooms will cause some people to be confused.

[6andcounting]

(07-29-2016, 05:27 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not a fan of the extremes both parties are going to.  I do get a perverse amount of amusement with how much vitriol is directed at Trump form the left when he is, by far, the most socially moderate GOP candidate in decades.  Yes, I understand he has other baggage.

He is running as a Republican so the left pulls out their "Identity politics for morons" book as starts reading from the list a names to call Republicans. Ad hominem fails miserably against Trump. One of the few reasons being that he's more socially liberal than most Dem candidates - including Hilary's and Obama's 08 campaigns - on many issues.

[GMDino]

(07-30-2016, 09:53 AM)6andcounting Wrote: He is running as a Republican so the left pulls out their "Identity politics for morons" book as starts reading from the list a names to call Republicans. Ad hominem fails miserably against Trump. One of the few reasons being that he's more socially liberal than most Dem candidates - including Hilary's and Obama's 08 campaigns - on many issues.

Well he is...and then he isn't.  Depends on who he is talking to.

Which makes him more of one of those "politicians" than any of his supporters wants to admit.

Speaking of which, I am 46 and have followed elections for as long as I could vote and a little before.  I can't ever remember so many people saying they do not support a candidate (Trump) and yet defend him so much.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-30-2016, 10:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well he is...and then he isn't.  Depends on who he is talking to.

Something you could say about every politician ever.

Quote:Which makes him more of one of those "politicians" than any of his supporters wants to admit.

In this regard the American people have only themselves to blame.  If making a logical appeal to well educated voters was the way to get elected then that's what politicians would be doing.

Quote:Speaking of which, I am 46 and have followed elections for as long as I could vote and a little before.  I can't ever remember so many people saying they do not support a candidate (Trump) and yet defend him so much.

If be defend you mean pointing out when people are making inane or contradictory arguments against him then sure.  Maybe you could join the conversation and explain why you do, or do not, think that Trump is very socially liberal for a GOP candidate.  Certainly far more liberal than Ted Cruz.

[GMDino]

(07-30-2016, 10:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well he is...and then he isn't.  Depends on who he is talking to.

(07-30-2016, 11:03 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Something you could say about every politician ever.

(07-30-2016, 10:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Which makes him more of one of those "politicians" than any of his supporters wants to admit.

(07-30-2016, 11:03 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If be defend you mean pointing out when people are making inane or contradictory arguments against him then sure.  Maybe you could join the conversation and explain why you do, or do not, think that Trump is very socially liberal for a GOP candidate.  Certainly far more liberal than Ted Cruz.

(07-30-2016, 10:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well he is...and then he isn't.  Depends on who he is talking to.

No one knows which Trump will be in office if he wins the election. Might be the one who appears socially liberal. Might be the one that said women should be prosecuted for having an abortion.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-30-2016, 11:39 AM)GMDino Wrote:











No one knows which Trump will be in office if he wins the election.  Might be the one who appears socially liberal.  Might be the one that said women should be prosecuted for having an abortion.

I think you may have indulged in it so often that you may be permanently stuck in GMDabo mode.  You and Fred are fighting like dogs to fill the void left by Lucie's being banned.  Maybe keep splitting the duties? 

[GMDino]

(07-30-2016, 11:47 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:

I think you may have indulged in it so often that you may be permanently stuck in GMDabo mode.  You and Fred are fighting like dogs to fill the void left by Lucie's being banned.  Maybe keep splitting the duties? 

You literally told me in your post something I that I literally said in the next line.

Then you literally asked me to "explain why you do, or do not, think that Trump is very socially liberal for a GOP candidate."


The answer of which was literally in the first line you quoted in that post.


I even expanded on that answer to clarify it MORE for you and you LITERALLY not only ignored it you drug other people in to make it look like what was written isn't LITERALLY there.

[GMDino]

Trump is a man of little to no substance.

As I said elsewhere:  I get people who vote for him because they cannot bring themselves to vote for Clinton.  I cannot understand anyone who likes what he says or claims to stand for.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-questions-army-father-s-dnc-speech-wife-s-n620241?cid=sm_fb

Quote:Donald Trump Questions Army Father's DNC Speech, Wife's Silence


Donald Trump's first reaction to Army father Khizr Khan's passionate Democratic National Convention speech was to question Khan's wife's silence, implying Ghazala Khan wasn't allowed to speak during the speech because she is Muslim.


"If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me, but plenty of people have written that she was extremely quiet, and it looked like she had nothing to say," Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an interview published Saturday.

On Thursday at the DNC, Khan spoke of his son, U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed by a car bomb in 2004 while guarding the gates of his base in Iraq, saving the lives of his fellow soldiers and civilians. Khan's son was posthumously awarded a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart. At the DNC, Khan said Trump has "sacrificed nothing and no one."

Trump rebutted Khan, telling Stephanopoulos that he has made sacrifices through his success as a businessman. He also questioned if Khan wrote his own speech, asking, "Who wrote that? Did Hillary's scriptwriters write it?"

The Clinton campaign had offered the services of a speechwriter, but according to Politico, Khan declined, opting to write his address himself.

Trump said, "I think I've made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot."

In an interview with Maureen Dowd of The New York Times on Friday night, Trump's only response to Khan's speech was simply: "I'd like to hear his wife say something."

Ghazala Khan explained to MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Friday that she was anxious during her husband's speech, knowing her son's photo would appear behind her.

"It was very nervous, because I cannot see my son's picture and I cannot even come in the room where his pictures are, and that's why when I saw the picture on my back, I couldn't take it. And I controlled myself at that time, so it is very hard," she said.

Khizr Khan also noted to O'Donnell that he could not have spoken at the DNC without his wife's close support.

"Her being there was the strength that I could hold my composure. I am much weaker than she is in such matters," Khan said.

Hillary Clinton said in a statement Saturday: "I was very moved to see Ghazala Khan stand bravely and with dignity in support of her son on Thursday night. And I was very moved to hear her speak last night, bravely and with dignity, about her son's life and the ultimate sacrifice he made for his country."

Clinton's statement did not mention Trump by name. "This is a time for all Americans to stand with the Khans, and with all the families whose children have died in service to our country," Clinton said. "And this is a time to honor the sacrifice of Captain Khan and all the fallen. Captain Khan and his family represent the best of America, and we salute them."



Khan clarified to O'Donnell that the other message in his speech was directed toward Republican leaders House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling on them to denounce Trump.

"There is so much at stake, and I appeal to both of these leaders: This is the time. There comes a time in the history of a nation where an ethical, moral stand has to be taken regardless of the political costs," Khan said. "The only reason they're not repudiating his behavior, his threat to our democracy, our decency, our foundation, is just because of political consequences."

Khan vowed that he will continue to pressure McConnell and Ryan to stop Trump, calling it a "moral imperative" to do so. Otherwise, he said they will "sink the ship" of the Republican Party.

Ryan has previously rebuked Trump's proposed plan to temporarily bar Muslims from entering the U.S. On Saturday, a spokesperson for Ryan said the House speaker does not support the proposal and has spoken out about it.

"The speaker has made clear many times that he rejects this idea, and himself has talked about how Muslim Americans have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country," spokesperson AshLee Strong said.

On Friday, Trump was on the defensive with others, too, calling retired four-star Marine Gen. John Allen, who spoke at the DNC and led troops in Afghanistan, a "failed general" at a rally in Denver. "You know who he is? He's a failed general," Trump told the crowd. "He was the general fighting ISIS. I would say he hasn't done so well, right?"

In Colorado Springs, Colorado, Friday afternoon, Trump repeatedly called out the event's fire marshal for not allowing more people into the venue. "Hey, maybe they're a Hillary person. Could that be possible? Probably," Trump said of the marshal, complaining that the attendance limit was "unfair." "Then you wonder why we're going to hell. That's why we're going to hell."

The marshal, Brett Lacey, was named Civilian of the Year in February for his work after the shooting at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic in November. 

[GMDino]

In relation to the story above when Trump criticized the Fire Marshall:


Reports: Trump rescued from elevator ahead of Colorado rally

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/donald-trump-elevator-colorado-226470#ixzz4Fzow1dfz 
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Quote:Donald Trump was trapped in an elevator for 30 minutes ahead of a Friday rally before being rescued by Colorado Springs fire department, multiple local news outlets reported Saturday.


According to news station KRDO, emergency crews responded to an elevator rescue at The Mining Exchange Hotel where a group of 10, including the Republican nominee, was trapped between the first and second floor.



"The firefighters were able to secure the elevator, open the top elevator hatch, lower a ladder into the elevator which allowed all individuals to self-evacuate, including Mr. Trump, onto the second floor lobby area," Steven Wilch, who is with the Colorado Springs Fire Department, told KRDO.

Within an hour, the Denver Post noted, the GOP presidential nominee was bashing the fire marshal at his rally.

“So I have to tell you this. This is why our country doesn’t work,” Trump said from the stage at his Friday rally, which began nearly an hour late as a result of the mishap. “We have plenty of space here. We have thousands of people outside trying to get in. And we have a fire marshal that said, ‘Oh we can’t allow more people.’

"The reason they won’t let them in is because they don’t know what the hell they’re doing.

“Hey, maybe they’re a Hillary person. Could that be possible? Probably. I don’t think there are too many of them," Trump said.

[6andcounting]

(07-30-2016, 10:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well he is...and then he isn't.  Depends on who he is talking to.

Which makes him more of one of those "politicians" than any of his supporters wants to admit.

Speaking of which, I am 46 and have followed elections for as long as I could vote and a little before.  I can't ever remember so many people saying they do not support a candidate (Trump) and yet defend him so much.

I'm not going to vote for him but the thing I love the most is a red pilling troll. Regressives, sjws, and identity political liberals are the easiest people to troll and get completely triggered when they realize their safe space group think isn't reality. Giving The God Emperor (this name has recently triggered the Huffington Post ) another 48 months on top of the 12 he's had would be pure gold. Trump is the vehicle that allows the alt-right to bring trolling off of the internet and into global politics.

[McC]

(07-31-2016, 11:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: In relation to the story above when Trump criticized the Fire Marshall:


Reports: Trump rescued from elevator ahead of Colorado rally

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/donald-trump-elevator-colorado-226470#ixzz4Fzow1dfz 
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You're trying to say he bashed firemen when he didn't.  He criticized a bureaucrat.

[GMDino]

(07-31-2016, 11:54 AM)6andcounting Wrote: I'm not going to vote for him but the thing I love the most is a red pilling troll. Regressives, sjws, and identity political liberals are the easiest people to troll and get completely triggered when they realize their safe space group think isn't reality. Giving The God Emperor (this name has recently triggered the Huffington Post ) another 48 months on top of the 12 he's had would be pure gold. Trump is the vehicle that allows the alt-right to bring trolling off of the internet and into global politics.

I posted my first anti-Gary Johnson photo on FB.

I can't keep up with the angry followups I've been getting about how I am wrong and he is right.

[GMDino]

Quote:You're trying to say he bashed firemen when he didn't.  He criticized a bureaucrat.

I'm saying he's a dbag.