EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity

[StLucieBengal]

(11-16-2017, 10:56 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I respectfully disagree. While there are many factors that we list of the causes of the war, and we cannot blame decades of factors on Germany... ultimately they wanted the war and gave Austria support to declare war on Serbia, knowing full well that such a trivial thing would lead to war with Russia and France. 


That said, the suggestion that WWI and WWII means we should fear Germany and trust Russia as they engage in military action in sovereign states is ridiculous. 

When Russia tries to get the Soviet Union back together and forms a common army then we can escalate the concern for them.

[BmorePat87]

(11-16-2017, 11:48 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When Russia tries to get the Soviet Union back together and forms a common army then we can escalate the concern for them.

When Germany tries to use military force to annex territories in neighboring states then we can escalate the concern for them. 

[Dill]

(11-16-2017, 10:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I you are making a joke at the end there, but it’s not like Germany who for all intents and purposes runs the EU,  it’s not like they have the same history as a Poland or practically any other EU member.   No one has tried to grab more power in Europe since 1900 than The Germans.  

It’s certainly not about nazi’s.   It’s about the German desire to dissolve borders within the EU and they pull the strings.   If France and Macron wasn’t their pasties it would look more clear.    Heck Macron ran to Merkel to practically bend the knee after his election.  

The Polish have their ear to the ground plus they know what it’s like when Germany is surging to power.   They have reason to be nervous.

Wait a minute Lucy.  How much "power" have the Germans tried to grab since 1945?  

Right now, no population in Europe is more anti-war and anti-militarism than the Germans.  It can tip the other way. It may be tipping right now. But if so, it is the spread of Islamophobic nationalism that will give it the final push. That is what we ought to be opposing internationally, and not praising a blackshirt segment of the Polish electorate who take racist nationalism to an even greater degree.

The Polish don't have their ear to the ground so much as their boots.  "Pray for Islamic Holocaust"?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/racism-in-poland-threat-to-liberal-order-1.3291599

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-16-2017, 03:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It’s funny to see so many of you guys dismiss the Germans being a threat. They have been the biggest threat to Europe since 1900. They are the reason we had world wars. The Germans do what they do best..... try and seize power from those around them.

This is hilarious. Germany is a NATO ally. We have military bases in Germany as "power projection platforms." We conduct joint military exercises with German forces. Germany isn't responsible for any recent military incursions, but Russia is. We have been deploying more military units to Eastern Europe (to include Poland) as a direct tit-for-tat response to Russian troop movements since 2016. (We are actually in the middle of an Eastern European military build up in addition to our permanent for es in theater.) According to our intelligence community, the US is a target of Russian cyber espionage. Yet, you dismiss the Russian threat while fear mongering based upon deliberate misinformation. It's almost as if you're on the Russian Internet troll farm pay roll.

[Dill]

(11-16-2017, 11:48 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When Russia tries to get the Soviet Union back together and forms a common army then we can escalate the concern for them.

I think we can escalate concern for them when they hack our elections and sow dissension in the US with right wing trolls.

You are a good guy Lucy. I enjoy your posts.   I just wish you'd read a bit more critically.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/509444271/u-s-forces-deploy-to-poland-in-effort-to-counter-russian-aggression

Despite whatever deliberate misinformation people spread on the internet, United States military leaders are conducting the largest deployment to Eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War to counter Russian aggression, not a fictionalized German power grab based upon a deliberately deceitful interpretation of a defense pact which doesn't create a new army.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

More info on US and NATO Eastern European deployments and joint exercise as a direct response to Russian aggression.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/06/world/europe/russia-america-military-exercise-trump-putin.html

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/03/19/back-to-europe-the-army-is-sending-more-troops-tanks-and-helicopters-to-deter-russia/

Woo hoo! Nine month deployments. Get some.

Why?

To deter Russian aggression.