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(12-30-2020, 05:06 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Certainly. It also further casts Biden's presidency as illegitimate for those inclined to believe this is the case, which I think is really the goal at this point.
Absolutely that’s the goal. Obama was a Kenyan and Joe Biden cheated.
Unfortunately too many people misrepresented what Russia did as cheating for Trump, which the GOP was happy to let them repeat that narrative because it allowed them to dismiss concerns over Russia’s interference campaign as a hoax.
So we’re just going to have a never ending cycle
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(12-30-2020, 05:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: He cites Democrats objecting twice. I had read about the Gore one not the other.
But Hawley is just another Trump sycophant looking to ride his coattails.
It is indeed a waste of time and it continues to further divide and distract citizens...something Trump has supported and participated in for much longer than his time in office.
It's sad stuff.
Without googling I’m going to assume he referenced 1960 and 2000. In 1960, Hawaii sent a new slate of electors (certified by the governor) after a recount overturned a 100 or so margin of win that the state didn’t wait on before sending electors for Nixon. Nixon, while declaring he wasn’t setting a precedent as president of the Senate just a suggestion, recommended that the new JFK electors be accepted without objections.
In 2000 a Democrat from the House objected to Florida (for obvious reasons which were arguably legitimate reasons) but no one from the Senate joined them, so Gore dismissed the objection.
In both cases the losing party was presiding officer (as the sitting VP) and encouraged the certified results be accepted by all. Both instances also involved a state where there was a difference of 100-500 votes.
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(12-30-2020, 07:21 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Absolutely that’s the goal. Obama was a Kenyan and Joe Biden cheated.
Extra odd since Obama was apparently the world's foremost "self made man" by, by their assertions, going from being born in a mud hut in a shithole country to the most powerful man on earth and Biden managed to pull off the biggest scam in American history. Yet, the party of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and "win at any cost, don't let those wimpy ethics get in your way" haven't a shred of respect for either of them.
Both guys won big at any cost...they should be heroes to the neo-cons, but they'd rather worship a spoiled rich kid who would rather cry "unfair" and stick his hand out and beg for donations to than dust himself off and finish the fight he started. Sad.
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(12-30-2020, 07:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Without googling I’m going to assume he referenced 1960 and 2000. In 1960, Hawaii sent a new slate of electors (certified by the governor) after a recount overturned a 100 or so margin of win that the state didn’t wait on before sending electors for Nixon. Nixon, while declaring he wasn’t setting a precedent as president of the Senate just a suggestion, recommended that the new JFK electors be accepted without objections.
In 2000 a Democrat from the House objected to Florida (for obvious reasons which were arguably legitimate reasons) but no one from the Senate joined them, so Gore dismissed the objection.
In both cases the losing party was presiding officer (as the sitting VP) and encouraged the certified results be accepted by all. Both instances also involved a state where there was a difference of 100-500 votes.
No, no, no...2004 and 2006. I mistakenly remembered is during Gore because there was one then about the 527 votes in FL.
https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/30/951430323/gop-sen-hawley-will-object-to-electoral-college-certification
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Naturally he's misrepresenting what actually happened...but his desire to be Trump-lite will not be denied!
https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/
Quote:Thursday, January 6, 2005 Posted: 7:08 PM EST (0008 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Alleging widespread "irregularities" on Election Day, a group of Democrats in Congress objected Thursday to the counting of Ohio's 20 electoral votes, delaying the official certification of the 2004 presidential election results.
The move was not designed to overturn the re-election of President Bush, said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and California Sen. Barbara Boxer, who filed the objection.
The objecting Democrats, most of whom are House members, said they wanted to draw attention to the need for aggressive election reform in the wake of what they said were widespread voter problems.
In a letter to congressional leaders Wednesday, members of the group said they would take the action because a new report by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee found "numerous, serious election irregularities," particularly in Ohio, that led to "a significant disenfranchisement of voters."
"How can we possibly tell millions of Americans who registered to vote, who came to the polls in record numbers, particularly our young people ... to simply get over it and move on?" Tubbs Jones told reporters.
The House of Representatives and Senate met Thursday afternoon in a constitutionally mandated session to count the electoral votes. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, presided over the session.
The results from each state, read in alphabetical order, were ticked through quickly until Ohio was called, and a clerk read the letter of objection from Boxer and Tubbs Jones.
Cheney then ordered the lawmakers back to their respective chambers for two hours of debate on the merits of the challenge.
It is only the second such challenge since the current rules for counting electoral votes were established in 1877. The last was in 1969 and it concerned a so-called "faithless elector," according to congressional researchers.
Four years ago, after the disputed election results in Florida, members of the Congressional Black Caucus attempted to block Florida's electoral votes from being counted.
In a scene recalled in Michael Moore's movie "Fahrenheit 9/11," lawmaker after lawmaker was gaveled down by Vice President Al Gore because no senator would support the objections, as the law requires.
House Democrats involved in this year's protest worked for weeks to enlist the support of a senator in their party, and Boxer agreed to join the effort Wednesday.
"This is my opening shot to be able to focus the light of truth on these terrible problems in the electoral system," Boxer told a press conference.
"While we have men and women dying to bring democracy abroad, we've got to make it the best it can be here at home, and that's why I'm doing this."
If one member of each body of Congress objects, congressional rules require that lawmakers return to their chambers to vote on the merits.
A simple majority vote in each chamber would overturn the challenge -- something that should be easily achieved in the GOP-controlled Congress.
Republicans dismissed the effort as a stunt, noting that specific allegations of voting problems in Ohio have been investigated by journalists and, the Republicans said, found to be untrue.
"But apparently, some Democrats only want to gripe about counts, recounts, and recounts of recounts," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, an Ohio Republican.
"So eager are they to abandon their job as public servants, they have cast themselves in the role of Michael Moore, concocting wild conspiracy theories to distract the American public."
White House press secretary Scott McClellan dismissed the challenge as "partisan politics."
"The election is behind us," he said. "The American people now expect their leaders in Washington to focus on the big priorities facing this country."
Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic nominee for president, released a letter Wednesday saying he would not take part in the protest.
"Our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election," Kerry said.
Bush carried Ohio by more than 118,000 votes -- the Buckeye State win providing the margin of victory in the Electoral College race. The president received 286 to Kerry's 252 electoral votes.
"There are very troubling questions that have not yet been answered by Ohio election officials," the senator from Massachusetts said.
"In the coming months I will present a national proposal to ensure transparency and accountability in our voting process."
Kerry was not on hand Thursday. He is in Iraq to thank U.S. troops for their service.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508562183/biden-to-democrats-objecting-to-electoral-college-results-it-is-over
Quote:Biden To Democrats Objecting To Electoral College Results: 'It Is Over'
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Vice President Biden pauses between mock swearing-in ceremonies in the Old Senate Chamber on Capitol Hill Tuesday. Biden presided over the official Electoral College tally amid several interruptions.
Alex Brandon/AP
The official Electoral College vote tally just concluded, but some Democratic House members decided to put on a bit of a show.
More than half a dozen members rose at different points to object to the results of the election, citing Russian hacking, the legitimacy of the election and electors, voting machines, voter suppression and more.
Democratic Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts was the first to rise. Amid grumbling from other members, Vice President Biden, who presided in his role as president of the Senate, gaveled the body to order. He noted that any objection must be in writing, signed by a member of the House and a member of the Senate.
He asked McGovern if he had fulfilled all three. McGovern admitted the objection was not signed by a member of the Senate, and Biden threw it out.
"In that case the objection cannot be entertained," Biden said, and Republicans stood and cheered.
Jamie Raskin of Maryland interrupted later. Biden cut him off, read the requirements again and asked if his objection was signed by a member of the Senate. Raskin, too, admitted it was not. This went on with others.
Biden grew increasingly curt. At times, Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan could be seen laughing behind him.
"It is over," Biden chided.
Three protesters were escorted out of the House chamber. NPR's Susan Davis reports that at least one was arrested.
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NPR's Ron Elving notes that it all was a similar scene to one that played out in January 2001 after George W. Bush's election, the Florida recount and the Supreme Court decision that stopped it. The vice president, who had to play Biden's role then, was none other than Al Gore himself. The objectors were all from the House, many from Florida.
After overruling several objectors the same way Biden did, Gore jokingly noted that it was becoming somewhat painful.
"This is going to sound familiar to you," he noted, "--to all of us...."
So hopefully it is all for show and hopefully all the new Parler members don't "take up arms" to destroy our country because they haven't figured out they were the marks yet.
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(12-30-2020, 10:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: So hopefully it is all for show and hopefully all the new Parler members don't "take up arms" to destroy our country because they haven't figured out they were the marks yet.
Are there specifics to this "taking up arms" or is it a vague sort of threat/promise like a new year's resolution where people are totally going to get in shape or stop smoking in a few days for serious now? Are people just going to grab guns and march into the White House and start shooting people? What is the actual plan, here?
I just feel like "We're gonna take up arms!" is the "I'm running away from home and you'll be sorry! I mean it!" for adults.
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(12-30-2020, 10:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, no, no...2004 and 2006. I mistakenly remembered is during Gore because there was one then about the 527 votes in FL.
https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/30/951430323/gop-sen-hawley-will-object-to-electoral-college-certification
Naturally he's misrepresenting what actually happened...but his desire to be Trump-lite will not be denied!
https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508562183/biden-to-democrats-objecting-to-electoral-college-results-it-is-over
So hopefully it is all for show and hopefully all the new Parler members don't "take up arms" to destroy our country because they haven't figured out they were the marks yet.
That was a waste of time in both cases and any attempts to raise concerns about voting issues should be addressed in other ways. 2016's attempted objections were based nonsense, just like 2020's are, though 2020's objections will actually cause a waste of time vote like 2004's did.
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(12-30-2020, 10:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Are there specifics to this "taking up arms" or is it a vague sort of threat/promise like a new year's resolution where people are totally going to get in shape or stop smoking in a few days for serious now? Are people just going to grab guns and march into the White House and start shooting people? What is the actual plan, here?
I just feel like "We're gonna take up arms!" is the "I'm running away from home and you'll be sorry! I mean it!" for adults.
It depends on who you believe.
I've not seen anyone with any kind of real authority but rather the internet musings of "men" and some women who believe such a thing will happen.
Some believe it will be a spontaneous uprising and others think their group of militia men will lead the charge.
In most cases those they seem to have romanticized the Revolutionary War and combined that with their inability to tell fact from fiction about their own lives to create a fever dream where the daring group of rabble rousers defeat the giant government in the name of the lord and savior Donald John Trump.
I assume they would attack Washington DC first since that is where the "traitors" are that won't change the election results to help DJT.
I also assume that if any such action really did take place some, even here, would suggest they are just exercising their rights and praise them for taking over government buildings as long as they don't actually kill anyone...well as long as it can't be possibly described as "self-defense" anyway. 
And given how this country runs they would end up pardoned by the next Republican president no matter what they did.
Perhaps I have underestimating the ability of my friends who can't stand at the cooker too long because of his "bad knee" but will "march on" the capitol someday?
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A little too long to copy and paste. Suffice to say it takes apart everything Trump said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/trump-pushed-qanon-4chan-created-conspiracy-theories-georgia-call-n1252769
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The nut job Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has said they need to decertify the Georgia elections... the one she won to get voted in. When asked if that applied to here she said "We are just talking about the Presidential election here". Of course it doesn't apply to here, she won!
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(01-05-2021, 09:27 AM)Au165 Wrote: The nut job Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has said they need to decertify the Georgia elections... the one she won to get voted in. When asked if that applied to here she said "We are just talking about the Presidential election here". Of course it doesn't apply to here, she won!
Every single Rep that won election/re-election and plans to object on Wednesday should have to explain this.
It's pure Clown Shoes.
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Also, maybe it's not relevant or is just a coincidence, but Trump is scheduled to fly to his golf course in Scotland the day before Biden's inauguration. Kind of weird that he could spend the inauguration at one of his properties in the U.S. holding a rally but is planning to leave the country the day before.
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(01-05-2021, 10:16 AM)Au165 Wrote: Also, maybe it's not relevant or is just a coincidence, but Trump is scheduled to fly to his golf course in Scotland the day before Biden's inauguration. Kind of weird that he could spend the inauguration at one of his properties in the U.S. holding a rally but is planning to leave the country the day before.
Looks like Scotland has told him he can't come in.
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(01-05-2021, 03:51 PM)Au165 Wrote: Nope, not a cult.
What do people think "storming the capitol" does? Are they just going to open fire on government employees and politicians until the 2020 election is null and void? If enough people die then this country will be forced to make the man who inspired us to do this the president?
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Wow.
"The new session of the Pennsylvania Senate got off to a chaotic start Tuesday, with Republicans taking the rare step of removing the Democratic lieutenant governor, John Fetterman, from running the session."
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(01-05-2021, 05:13 PM)Big Boss Wrote: Wow.
"The new session of the Pennsylvania Senate got off to a chaotic start Tuesday, with Republicans taking the rare step of removing the Democratic lieutenant governor, John Fetterman, from running the session."
That'd make a lot more sense if Trump and his dogs weren't gleefully attacking any republican who dares to stand in the way of his delusions, too.
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(01-05-2021, 05:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: What do people think "storming the capitol" does? Are they just going to open fire on government employees and politicians until the 2020 election is null and void? If enough people die then this country will be forced to make the man who inspired us to do this the president?
Hopefully it gets them hanged with the lackeys in both houses of congress that are about to put on their lil show. But they're not even really the problem. It's their simpleton constituents that are eating up this nonsense.
Hanged is a fun word to say. It feels like it should be hung.
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To expand upon the PA thing, it occurred because the Republican majority refused to swear in one democratic state senator who won a close race claiming they won with illegal votes. It was the same dating technicality Trump tried but the PA Supreme Court threw out. Instead the Republicans are claiming they want to wait until the courts have had their say.
This sound familiar? I don’t think we will ever see uncontested elections again after this year.
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(01-05-2021, 08:05 PM)Au165 Wrote: To expand upon the PA thing, it occurred because the Republican majority refused to swear in one democratic state senator who won a close race claiming they won with illegal votes. It was the same dating technicality Trump tried but the PA Supreme Court threw out. Instead the Republicans are claiming they want to wait until the courts have had their say.
This sound familiar? I don’t think we will ever see uncontested elections again after this year.
As long as Republicans are willing to vote in elections they are told are rigged I suppose it will become standard.
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