Florida sixth-grader charged with misdemeanor after refusing to recite Pledge

[Au165]

...again he wasn't charged for making threats, not sure why that is getting all the focus. He was charged with disrupting the class and resisting arrest without violence, which apparently can mean him refusing to get out of his seat.

[fredtoast]

(02-18-2019, 03:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This thread and the linked news story should have been titled correctly:

"Florida sixth grader charged with misdemeanor after becoming disruptive and making threats in class"

(02-18-2019, 03:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt; I should have said title.........Hey wait a minute.

What does this comment mean?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-18-2019, 03:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Pardon me.  Saying wearing a hoodie contributed to his being viewed as a criminal isn't "exact wording" to blacks shouldn't wear hoodies.  I don't know how anyone could get that confused.   

Perhaps it's because it doesn't even come close to meaning the same thing.

Quote:My deepest apologies to offending your sense of "exact wording". 

What a waste of time showing you what you say you never heard of only to have you nitpick the "exact wording" so you can still pretend you are right.

Shoo...

The problem is you used the term you used deliberately for maximum effect.  This is a frequent tactic of yours, state things in as inflammatory a way as possible, hence my request for proof.  Once you couldn't provide proof for your claims you switch gears and state what you said isn't what you really meant.  So yes, you did waste your time, and everyone else's as well.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What does this comment mean?

You could have figured it out for yourself if you would have bolded the part where I said titled. 

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:31 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...again he wasn't charged for making threats, not sure why that is getting all the focus. He was charged with disrupting the class and resisting arrest without violence, which apparently can mean him refusing to get out of his seat.

The article linked states the arrest was based on threats; but given I have not seen the arrest report; have you?

[fredtoast]

(02-18-2019, 03:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That teacher was every bit as wrong as Phillips was in DC; don't you agree?

I don't see any way to compare the two.  Their actions have nothing in common.  One is an authority figure state employee violating a Supreme Court ruling by forcing a student to recite a pledge against his will while the other played a drum.

[GMDino]

(02-18-2019, 03:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Perhaps because it's exactly what you said in post #23.

Nobody with any sanity think Martin was shot for wearing a hoodie; it's just something some folks used as a symbol. Now those same sane folks can understand the the Covington kid was condemned simply for the headgear he chose. 

I agree.  However it was said.  And just as those boys should be judged on their actions (all their actions that day) and not their hats neither should hoodies have been used a symbol of black "criminals".

See...we agree.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't see any way to compare the two.  Their actions have nothing in common.  One is an authority figure state employee violating a Supreme Court ruling by forcing a student to recite a pledge against his will while the other played a drum.

The "common" thing is the onus is on the adult to do the right thing in each situation. But I agree they have very little else in common especially the reaction(s) of the children. One smiled the other became disruptive at best; threatening at worst

[Au165]

(02-18-2019, 03:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The article linked states the arrest was based on threats; but given I have not seen the arrest report; have you?

Says that in passing but says the actual chargers were....

"The student was later charged with disruption of a school facility and resisting an officer without violence"

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-18-2019, 03:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: I agree.  However it was said.  And just as those boys should be judged on their actions (all their actions that day) and not their hats neither should hoodies have been used a symbol of black "criminals".

See...we agree.

There's a small problem with your assertion.  Watch armed robbery surveillance camera footage and see how often the perpetrator pulls their hood up before initiating the crime.  This is not race specific btw.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:41 PM)Au165 Wrote: Says that in passing but says the actual chargers were....

"The student was later charged with disruption of a school facility and resisting an officer without violence"

Oh, so it says that in passing, but we're not to belief it was part of what led to his arrest?

Like I said: I haven't seen the police report; have you?

[Au165]

(02-18-2019, 03:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, so it says that in passing, but we're not to belief it was part of what led to his arrest?

Like I said: I haven't seen the police report; have you?

From another article....

The incident happened at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland on February 4. The sixth grader was arrested and taken to a juvenile detention center, charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence. 


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/02/14/mother-upset-after-son-kicked-out-of-class-over-pledge-of-allegiance



And Another...


"The sixth-grader was arrested and taken to a juvenile detention centre, and has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence, and suspended from school for three days."



https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/02/child-arrested-after-refusing-to-stand-for-us-pledge-of-allegiance.html



It looks to me according to everyone the only charges were as I said and not the passing idea of a "threat" as you have zeroed in on.

[fredtoast]

(02-18-2019, 03:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You could have figured it out for yourself if you would have bolded the part where I said titled. 

I still don't get your point.  The linked story was correctly titled.  What part of the title of the linked story do you claim is "fake"?

[GMDino]

(02-18-2019, 03:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: There's a small problem with your assertion.  Watch armed robbery surveillance camera footage and see how often the perpetrator pulls their hood up before initiating the crime.  This is not race specific btw.

No it's not.

The narrative that a hoodie helped contribute to Trayvon Martin's death and that black people should be careful about what they wear in public is though.

Unless there are example of white people being harrassed (or worse) because of their hoodies?

Or course I could also point out some racist and awful things said and done by people wearing MAGA hats too I suppose...on camera.

[fredtoast]

(02-18-2019, 03:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: There's a small problem with your assertion.  Watch armed robbery surveillance camera footage and see how often the perpetrator pulls their hood up before initiating the crime.  This is not race specific btw.

There is one small problem with your assertion.  Hats and sunglasses are used by bank robbers more than hoodies.  In fact there are banks that are trying to implement "no hats or sunglasses" policies, but I don't know of any that are trying to ban hoodies.

[BmorePat87]

The kid has no obligation to recite the pledge. Substitutes need training in school law before they can come into a building.

Our SRO would never arrest a kid because they refused to leave a classroom, and the youngest we have are 9th graders, not 6th graders. You escort the kid to another room and you talk with them. They're 11.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:46 PM)Au165 Wrote: From another article....

The incident happened at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland on February 4. The sixth grader was arrested and taken to a juvenile detention center, charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence. 


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/02/14/mother-upset-after-son-kicked-out-of-class-over-pledge-of-allegiance



And Another...


"The sixth-grader was arrested and taken to a juvenile detention centre, and has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence, and suspended from school for three days."



https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/02/child-arrested-after-refusing-to-stand-for-us-pledge-of-allegiance.html



It looks to me according to everyone the only charges were as I said and not the passing idea of a "threat" as you have zeroed in on.

I suppose you'll have to excuse me if I focused in on the part about threats made at an elementary school. But I haven't seen the police report simply an assertion that threats were made. You do realize the kid could have made threats but the police choose not to charge him with it don't you?

Of course we can both agree that he was not arrested for refusing to stand for the pledge. 

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I still don't get your point.  The linked story was correctly titled.  What part of the title of the linked story do you claim is "fake"?

The linked title asserts he was arrested for refusing to stand for the anthem. As Au will attest to: this is not why he was arrested.

The affidavit does state that the child threatened the teacher with physical violence.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 03:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The kid has no obligation to recite the pledge. Substitutes need training in school law before they can come into a building.

Our SRO would never arrest a kid because they refused to leave a classroom, and the youngest we have are 9th graders, not 6th graders. You escort the kid to another room and you talk with them. They're 11.

How could you escort him to another room if he refused to leave?

[Belsnickel]

(02-18-2019, 03:01 PM)Beaker Wrote: A sixth grader on his own doesn't decide that the pledge or the flag is racist. He is parroting something he heard, likely at home. The pledge itself and the flag are not racist, neither is what they stand for. There are racist people in America, but the pledge and the flag don't stand for that being acceptable.

That's your opinion, and also irrelevant. The student was exercising a constitutionally protected right, the teacher was apparently ignorant to that fact and initiated an altercation. Both of them should have handled it better, both of them seem to have faced some sort of punishment for their actions. The big question, that requires a lot more knowledge of the details of this incident, is whether the punishments fit the crimes, so to speak.

(02-18-2019, 03:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: There's a small problem with your assertion.  Watch armed robbery surveillance camera footage and see how often the perpetrator pulls their hood up before initiating the crime.  This is not race specific btw.

I passed several individuals with their hoods up on their hoodies while walking around campus, today. None of them robbed me.