Germany to block Israel from getting a seat on the U.N. Security council?

[StLucieBengal]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28435/will-germany-block-israel-finally-getting-seat-un-hank-berrien

Seems they should back off and allow Israel and Belgium get their promised seats. This has been 20 years coming. And certainly Germany should be the last people stopping Israel.

Quote:Will Germany Block Israel From Finally Getting A Seat On The U.N. Security Council?

A promise was made 20 years ago. But Germany is ignoring it.

Hank BerrienMarch 20, 2018

Photo by Artur Widak/NurPhoto via Getty Images
Try this for a guessing game: which European country decided it would renege on a deal its colleagues agreed to whereby Israel would finally get a chance to sit on the U.N. Security Council after spending decades being the only country in the United Nations that was ineligible?

You would think after wiping out six million Jews, Germany would not be that country, but you’d be wrong. As Benny Avni writes in the New York Post, after U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke finally succeeded in the 1990s in getting a group of Western countries, including the U.S., Australia, Canada, and European countries west of the Berlin wall to admit Israel to their group, as the countries in the Middle East shut Israel out of their bloc, Israel agreed to wait 20 years to be eligible for a seat. In return, the group assured Israel that in 2019, Israel and Belgium would run uncontested for the two open 2019-20 seats.

But then, in 2016, Germany announced it would also run for a seat, despite the fact it had sat on the council in 2011-2012. With the June election nearing, Germany and Belgium have been pursuing the seats openly as they court U.N. ambassadors from key voting countries, while Israel has to concentrate its efforts behind the scenes.

But last week, President Trump’s nominee to serve as U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, strongly supported the right of Israel to finally get a seat on the council after over 70 years of isolation.


As Avni writes, “But Germany is unlikely to withdraw. So, unless Belgium yields, Israel’s hopes for U.N. respect seem doomed for now — and maybe for the foreseeable future. Why? Diplomats have been telling me Israel violates too many Security Council resolutions to be a member — as in the one passed during the last weeks of Barack Obama’s presidency, which marked Jewish holy sites as occupied Palestinian territory."

Avni notes that a report released last week by U.N. experts “found Germany violated a council ban on sparkling wines, exporting $151,840 worth of bubbly and other luxury goods to Kim Jong-un’s cronies. Or how about, as The Jerusalem Post’s Benjamin Weinthal reports, German companies exporting to Iran banned materials that were later used in chemical attacks in Syria?”

[hollodero]

(03-20-2018, 11:19 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.dailywire.com/news/28435/will-germany-block-israel-finally-getting-seat-un-hank-berrien

Seems they should back off and allow Israel and Belgium get their promised seats.   This has been 20 years coming.   And certainly Germany should be the last people stopping Israel.    

I have to say, this is a little bit rich coming from a staunch AfD supporter.

[Vas Deferens]

(03-21-2018, 12:40 AM)hollodero Wrote: I have to say, this is a little bit rich coming from a staunch AfD supporter.

Dude is still getting psychologically catfished by foreign interests. Give him a break.

[hollodero]

(03-21-2018, 02:20 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Dude is still getting psychologically catfished by foreign interests.  Give him a break.

Yeah alright, normally I would fully comply with your suggestions :) but that one really got on my nerves. Opening a thousand threads praising the AfD and then slamming Germany for not being aware enough of their historical role. 
The AfD. The party all antisemites and Nazis are flocking to.

Also, Germany should put Germany first, right? Why would they stand down for someone else's interest. Trump wouldn't appove of that. He'd call it weak.

[Benton]

Israel has as much of a place as North Korea would.

[StLucieBengal]

(03-21-2018, 02:59 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah alright, normally I would fully comply with your suggestions :) but that one really got on my nerves. Opening a thousand threads praising the AfD and then slamming Germany for not being aware enough of their historical role. 
The AfD. The party all antisemites and Nazis are flocking to.

Also, Germany should put Germany first, right? Why would they stand down for someone else's interest. Trump wouldn't appove of that. He'd call it weak.

Seems the nazi’s have some sway with Merkle. Who also positioned AfD as the primary opposition party since she couldn’t govern without the socialists.

[hollodero]

(03-21-2018, 11:34 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Seems the nazi’s have some sway with Merkle.  Who also positioned AfD as the primary opposition party since she couldn’t govern without the socialists.

Really. Competing with Israel for a security council seat is akin to emboldening Nazis. Not even the radical left wingers make this kind of point.

Also, Merkel personally didn't position anyone as anything. She tried another constellation, it didn't work out, she was not the one blowing the talks up. Going with the socialists was raison d'état. There was nothing else that could be done.

[StLucieBengal]

(03-21-2018, 11:44 AM)hollodero Wrote: Really. Competing with Israel for a security council seat is akin to emboldening Nazis. Not even the radical left wingers make this kind of point.

Also, Merkel personally didn't position anyone as anything. She tried another constellation, it didn't work out, she was not the one blowing the talks up. Going with the socialists was raison d'état. There was nothing else that could be done.

She could have supported a snap election...... oh wait she would have most certainly lost.

Had Frauke Petry stayed as head of AfD they would probably partnered with the CD, since that was goal to move AfD forward as a governing party.

[hollodero]

(03-21-2018, 11:50 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: She could have supported a snap election...... oh wait she would have most certainly lost.    

Had Frauke Petry stayed as head of AfD they would probably partnered with the CD, since that was goal to move AfD forward as a governing party.

So you slam Merkel for emboldening Nazis and being unaware of history by competing with Israel for a security council seat, yet would expect her to partner with the most antisemitic party in the German Bundestag.

AfD is not about Petry or anyone on top really. Their leadership changes every other second. Their substance does not.
No way Merkel would ever partner with them.

[Vas Deferens]

(03-21-2018, 02:59 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah alright, normally I would fully comply with your suggestions :) but that one really got on my nerves. Opening a thousand threads praising the AfD and then slamming Germany for not being aware enough of their historical role. 
The AfD. The party all antisemites and Nazis are flocking to.

Also, Germany should put Germany first, right? Why would they stand down for someone else's interest. Trump wouldn't appove of that. He'd call it weak.

Unless he has business interests in the form of debt or 20 year old dirty laundry in that other country of course.

Just remember, you're engaging with a joker.  Its best to laugh at the opinions of those incapable authenticity.  I'm sure that is how people deal with him IRL.

[Arturo Bandini]

Why would they have one ?

[StLucieBengal]

(03-21-2018, 12:02 PM)hollodero Wrote: So you slam Merkel for emboldening Nazis and being unaware of history by competing with Israel for a security council seat, yet would expect her to partner with the most antisemitic party in the German Bundestag.

AfD is not about Petry or anyone on top really. Their leadership changes every other second. Their substance does not.
No way Merkel would ever partner with them.

She is just working to take the seat away from Israel. They routinely vote against Israel so this is no surprise.

Also shows how Germany is growing into an enemy.

[*bfine32*]

Germany owes Israel nothing.

[Vas Deferens]

(03-21-2018, 03:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Germany owes Israel nothing.

Agree.  And, neither do I, but my tax dollars keep ending up over there.

[StLucieBengal]

(03-21-2018, 03:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Germany owes Israel nothing.

No one said they did. They should however respect an agreement.

There are two seats And they are working with the belgiums to grab both seats. Possibly so the EU has more sway..... which would be right up the fourth Reich’s Lane.

[hollodero]

(03-21-2018, 02:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: She is just working to take the seat away from Israel.   They routinely vote against Israel so this is no surprise.  

Also shows how Germany is growing into an enemy.

Oh yes, an enemy. An enemy! Since US Americans are all Israelis and such. Just wanting to peacefully erect settlements, even though that stupid organisation Israel wants to take a lead in always condemns it.

(03-21-2018, 03:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one said they did.   They should however respect an agreement.  

Right, just like you want the US to respect the Iran agreement I guess. Or trade deals in general. Or really anything that was agreed upon under non-populist leadership.
Don't let the glass house hurt your stones.

(03-21-2018, 02:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There are two seats And they are working with the belgiums to grab both seats.   Possibly so the EU has more sway..... which would be right up the fourth Reich’s Lane

Oh yes, that's certainly Fourth Reich. Once Germany and Belgium both get a seat in the almighty, all powerful, fate deciding UN security council, it's over. Over! Better throw some nukes at them before it's too late.


- But seriously, dude... the things you say are often say a bit controversial, but you're really starting to throw the nonsense meter out of range here.

[*bfine32*]

(03-21-2018, 03:15 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Agree.  And, neither do I, but my tax dollars keep ending up over there.

Well you'll be happy to know that very soon a lot of those dollars will stay right here in America building a beautiful wall. 

[*bfine32*]

(03-21-2018, 03:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one said they did.   They should however respect an agreement.  

There are two seats And they are working with the belgiums to grab both seats.   Possibly so the EU has more sway..... which would be right up the fourth Reich’s Lane.

Yes they should, if there was such an agreement and I agree the optics are bad. Perhaps the other UN members will honor the agreement and vote Israel in. Now that would be punch in the gut to Merkle, but let her continue to make the bed for Germany.  

[hollodero]

(03-21-2018, 03:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes they should, if there was such an agreement and I agree the optics are bad. Perhaps the other UN members will honor the agreement and vote Israel in. Now that would be punch in the gut to Merkle, but let her continue to make the bed for Germany.  

Well, maybe to add some context. Israel wants one of the seats that are reserved for the Europe region. Which is a bit odd to begin with, since Israel distinctly is not part of that region. They wanted to be part of Europe, and well we let them, given their situation. It was an understandable wish. But them now making additional demands... that's a bit much.

As for that promise, if this actually happened it came from Richard Holbrooke, who just isn't in the position to give binding promises in the name of all European countries to begin with. It's not like Germany signed off to anything like that (say the Germans, they also say they weren't involved in any promise making, and I'm inclined to believe them). Israel is accepted as member of the European region like every other country now, but it's not feasible to make demands about one's turn to get into the security council. They can apply and get the votes or not, like every other country.

If Israel wouldn't ignore every UN resolution, they might have a better chance. That's not on Germany really.

[*bfine32*]

(03-21-2018, 04:01 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, maybe to add some context. Israel wants one of the seats that are reserved for the Europe region. Which is a bit odd to begin with, since Israel distinctly is not part of that region. They wanted to be part of Europe, and well we let them, given their situation. It was an understandable wish. But them now making additional demands... that's a bit much.

As for that promise, if this actually happened it came from Richard Holbrooke, who just isn't in the position to give binding promises in the name of all European countries to begin with. It's not like Germany signed off to anything like that (say the Germans, they also say they weren't involved in any promise making, and I'm inclined to believe them). Israel is accepted as member of the European region like every other country now, but it's not feasible to make demands about one's turn to get into the security council. They can apply and get the votes or not, like every other country.

If Israel wouldn't ignore every UN resolution, they might have a better chance. That's not on Germany really.

Still you must admit if any agreement were made and Israel fulfilled their obligation of waiting 20 years the Germany would be best served and honor it; as all we are talking about is a 2 year term. Israel on the UN Security Counsel is not going to change a thing. But like a said Merkle is free to do what she wants, and as I said it just makes Germany look bad (if they are the only ones running against it), ultimately it is up to the rest of the UN if the agreement should be upheld