Hunter Biden laptop story

[fredtoast]

This probably deserves its own thread.

Started out as a story so sketchy that the author would not even put his name on it.

Just in the last couple of days it seems that one of Hunters old business partners has validated some of the emails.

But just when it seem to be gaining some legitimacy the story breaks about Trump also doing business in communist China. That, plus the fact that the China business involving Hunter took place after Joe was no longer Vice President, kind of cut the legs out from under that element of the story.

The Ukraine element of the story never really had any legs because the removal of Shokin was official US foreign policy and supported by the World Bank and most of the European Union. Everyone who gave aid to Ukraine wanted him removed, so it had nothing to do with Hunter Biden and Burisma.

The claims that Hunter received #3.5 million from a Russian source are pretty murky. There allegedly were payments to a consulting firm called Rosemont Seneca Thornton, but Hunter Biden denies being a part of hat business. Biden co-founded a company called Rosemont Seneca but that is a different entity. They say the records of ownership of these companies are not public record, but that does not sound right to me. Also the Senate report that originally made the claim has not provided any documentation to prove that the payments were even made.

But even if all these business claims are true there is no evidence that Joe Biden or Hunter Biden did anything wrong. If doing business in China or Russia is wrong then Trump is just as guilty as the Bidens.

I am sure there will be a constant stream of new information all the way up to the election, but the story will not have the impact that the right originally anticipated because it seems to be full of holes and Trump is the only one hiding his tax records.

[*bfine32*]

I fail to see the equivalence of Trump and Biden both having dealings in China if one was a businessman and the other a politician.

As some folks say: We should spend less time investigation Millionaires that became politicians and more time investigating politicians that became millionaires.

[BmorePat87]

220,000 deaths will cause desperation.

[fredtoast]

(10-23-2020, 03:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I fail to see the equivalence of Trump and Biden both having dealings in China if one was a businessman and the other a politician.

Trump is a politician and Hunter Biden was not.

The only reason the right is attacking Hunter Biden over this is that they say his business dealings somehow effected public policy through the influence of his father.  So how can they not be concerned if the President of the united Sates actually has business dealings with communist China.  wouldn't that be a more direct influence on public policy than the son of a former vide-president?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-23-2020, 03:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: 220,000 deaths will cause desperation.

That’s only the equivalent of seventy-three 9/11 attacks. It’s not like it’s “mass death” or anything.

[*bfine32*]

(10-23-2020, 03:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Trump is a politician and Hunter Biden was not.

The only reason the right is attacking Hunter Biden over this is that they say his business dealings somehow effected public policy through the influence of his father.  So how can they not be concerned if the President of the united Sates actually has business dealings with communist China.  wouldn't that be a more direct influence on public policy than the son of a former vide-president?

I think we both understand that Hunter has ties to his father. We've got to ask ourselves what influenced China to go into business with each individual. Most likely it was because Trump was a businessman and China wanted to do business with him and Hunter is the son of a former (benefit of the doubt given) VP and China wants to do business with them.


Now if trump had started dealings China while he was POTUS then you've got something. The Trumps were in business and they made business dealings. Joe Biden was VP and China made business dealings with his son who was kicked out of the Navy for snorting coke.

Which one seems shadier to you? 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-23-2020, 04:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think we both understand that Hunter has ties to his father. We've got to ask ourselves what influenced China to go into business with each individual. Most likely it was because Trump was a businessman and China wanted to do business with him and Hunter is the son of a former (benefit of the doubt given) VP and China wants to do business with them.


Now if trump had started dealings China while he was POTUS then you've got something. The Trumps were in business and they made business dealings. Joe Biden was VP and China made business dealings with his son who was kicked out of the Navy for snorting coke.

Which one seems shadier to you? 

Ivanka Trump’s Chinese business dealings.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

If we want to get really shady let’s talk the Qatar embargo and Jared Kushner receiving $1 billion up front for a building lease.

[Goalpost]

He shouldn't have been over there to begin with.

[fredtoast]

(10-23-2020, 04:49 PM)Goalpost Wrote: He shouldn't have been over there to begin with.

Who should not have been where?

[GMDino]

(10-23-2020, 03:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I fail to see the equivalence of Trump and Biden both having dealings in China if one was a businessman and the other a politician.

As some folks say: We should spend less time investigation Millionaires that became politicians and more time investigating politicians that became millionaires.

One became a politician...and then got $17 million from a "business" in China...after he said he wasn't going to be involved his his businesses (especially foreign ones) anymore.  Remember all the folders?

The other was no longer a politician at the time of the emails (assuming they are true)...and the emails were to and from his son who is also not a politician and not running for office.

[fredtoast]

From Fox News but i am not going to say it is not true just because of th source

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski claimed this week that former Vice President Joe Biden had been involved in discussions about his son's business dealings, something the Democratic presidential nominee has repeatedly denied. Fox News has reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.

Bobulinski provided text messages and emails related to his venture to The Wall Street Journal, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, which don't show Hunter or James Biden discussing Joe Biden's purported role.

Sources familiar with the matter told the Journal that Hunter and Jim Biden's joint venture never got funds from CEFC China Energy Co. ‒ of which Bobulinski was a partner ‒ and corporate records reviewed by the newspaper indicate Joe Biden had no role in the discussions.


The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as "Chair/Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC," in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co. However, according to separate emails obtained by Fox News, Bobulinski states there are no other members besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar and Anthony Bobulinski, regarding the shareholding structure, and records for all stages of company negotiations show no role for Joe Biden.

Bobulinski claimed Thursday in a statement he gave ahead of the second presidential debate, where he was President Trump's guest.
"In fact, Hunter often referred to his father as the big guy or 'my chairman.' According to separate emails obtained and analyzed by Fox News, the "chairman" appears to refer to China.

Joe Biden has repeatedly denied that he has ever discussed Hunter Biden’s overseas business dealings. The Biden campaign has said that it released the former vice president’s tax documents and returns, which do not reflect any involvement with Chinese investments.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-23-2020, 04:02 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That’s only the equivalent of seventy-three 9/11 attacks. It’s not like it’s “mass death” or anything.

Comparing something that happened as an attack on one day to one country vs a 261 days total of a world-wide pandemic.

Logically sound.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-23-2020, 08:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Comparing something that happened as an attack on one day to one country vs a 261 days total of a world-wide pandemic.

Logically sound.

I compared the American death toll to two different events. That’s how comparisons work.

[Benton]

(10-23-2020, 04:19 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If we want to get really shady let’s talk the Qatar embargo and Jared Kushner receiving $1 billion up front for a building lease.

In fairness, it seemed like the qatar government had no knowledge they were bailing out kushners horrible business decision to purchase a building at 666 Fifth Avenue.

I mean, the only reason I even remember the story was : what kind of moron buys a property at 666 Anything Street? Has kushner not seen any scary movie in the last 40 years?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-23-2020, 09:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I compared the American death toll to two different events. That’s how comparisons work.

So then you'd agree that Trump handled the pandemic three times better than Lincoln handled the Civil War? (30x better if you account for the differences in total population and look at rate.) If we're just comparing American death tolls to two different events...

Or will you admit that comparing a single day of terrorist attacks and 261 days of a worldwide pandemic is stupid? That not everything can be compared directly against other things with zero context?

[BmorePat87]

(10-23-2020, 11:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So then you'd agree that Trump handled the pandemic three times better than Lincoln handled the Civil War? (30x better if you account for the differences in total population and look at rate.) If we're just comparing American death tolls to two different events...

Or will you admit that comparing a single day of terrorist attacks and 261 days of a worldwide pandemic is stupid? That not everything can be compared directly against other things with zero context?

Your response doesn't achieve the gotcha that you think it does. You're attempting to make inferences about his comparison than his post does not convey, and you're using far more illogical arguments than you are accusing him of making.

His comment to me about "mass death" was a reference to something another poster said to the two of us where he tried to dismiss the amount of deaths as trivial. The reality is that the Trump administration and Republicans are trying to downplay the death toll, and framed as he framed it, it's hard to ignore the sheer amount of casualties. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-23-2020, 11:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So then you'd agree that Trump handled the pandemic three times better than Lincoln handled the Civil War? (30x better if you account for the differences in total population and look at rate.) If we're just comparing American death tolls to two different events...

Or will you admit that comparing a single day of terrorist attacks and 261 days of a worldwide pandemic is stupid? That not everything can be compared directly against other things with zero context?

What context do you need?

[*Nately120*]

(10-26-2020, 12:42 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What context do you need?

I need Trump to remind me that it came from a country that is evil and he vowed to protect us from. 

[*michaelsean*]

(10-23-2020, 05:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: From Fox News but i am not going to say it is not true just because of th source

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski claimed this week that former Vice President Joe Biden had been involved in discussions about his son's business dealings, something the Democratic presidential nominee has repeatedly denied. Fox News has reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.

Bobulinski provided text messages and emails related to his venture to The Wall Street Journal, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, which don't show Hunter or James Biden discussing Joe Biden's purported role.

Sources familiar with the matter told the Journal that Hunter and Jim Biden's joint venture never got funds from CEFC China Energy Co. ‒ of which Bobulinski was a partner ‒ and corporate records reviewed by the newspaper indicate Joe Biden had no role in the discussions.


The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as "Chair/Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC," in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co. However, according to separate emails obtained by Fox News, Bobulinski states there are no other members besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar and Anthony Bobulinski, regarding the shareholding structure, and records for all stages of company negotiations show no role for Joe Biden.

Bobulinski claimed Thursday in a statement he gave ahead of the second presidential debate, where he was President Trump's guest.
"In fact, Hunter often referred to his father as the big guy or 'my chairman.' According to separate emails obtained and analyzed by Fox News, the "chairman" appears to refer to China.

Joe Biden has repeatedly denied that he has ever discussed Hunter Biden’s overseas business dealings. The Biden campaign has said that it released the former vice president’s tax documents and returns, which do not reflect any involvement with Chinese investments.

You’re not going to dismiss the source that clears the Democrat candidate? That’s pretty stand up of you.