If This The End Of The United States?

[NATI BENGALS]

I'm just glad I have a good idea who the Anti-America posters are here now.


No joke.

You disgust me

[*jason*]

(01-13-2021, 11:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I'm just glad I have a good idea who the Anti-America posters are here now.


No joke.

You disgust me

I could ignore the Trump flags flying all over my neighborhood for the longest time. But the fact that they're still flying after last week makes me fairly unhappy that they are my neighbors. I'm friendly with some people that I know voted for him... Hell my dad did, but the whole flag thing feels pretty ***** disgusting after last week... The one that says "No More Bullshit" is oh so ironic.

[Millhouse]

Smh

Our country survived a four year Civil War.
Our country survived taking on the Nazis and Japan in WW2.
Our country survived the assassination of JFK, Vietnam, and the darkest period in U.S. history after the Civil War.

But yeah, this will be the downfall of U.S. with Democrats having power after the worst President ever.

[*Nately120*]

(01-13-2021, 10:00 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: So fight like hell is always literal and means taking something by storm?  

People "fight like hell" to make their marriages work, keep their jobs, and a million other things, but Trump meant by force even though he called for a peaceful assembly?

Weird.

If only you were there to explain to the people who heard Trump say this that he wanted peaceful protest two police officers wouldn't be dead. 

Trump's dumbass mob certainly didn't get his peaceful message, and thats what counts.  Maybe you should spend more time telling your fellow Trump supporters to calm down.  I fear they are missing Trump's message of peace. 

[BmorePat87]

(01-13-2021, 11:30 PM)jason Wrote: Why did Trump silently watch all of this shit unfold in TV? The man called for a peaceful gathering at the capital. When he saw that all hell broke loose, why didn't he do a damn thing to stop it? People from his own party were pleading with him to make it stop... Or at least try. He couldn't be bothered.

And why did multiple sources say he was gleeful?

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

More deleting of posts?

What are you afraid of?

[KillerGoose]

(01-14-2021, 12:47 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: More deleting of posts?

What are you afraid of?

Showing everyone that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

[BFritz21]

(01-13-2021, 11:03 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The line about being peaceful is cited to suggest that his words could not have riled up the terrorists, but that comes within the first few paragraphs of an hour long speech.

The last paragraphs, the lines he delivers immediately before they marched on the Capitol, are far different.

He spends the vast majority of his speech rambling on about various false claims about election fraud and the destruction of the country. He ends it with this rhetoric:

"you better do it before we have no country left. Today is not the end. It’s just the beginning."

"We must stop the steal and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again, but we’re going forward. We’ll take care of going forward. We got to take care of going back."
"If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country, because it’s illegal when the votes are illegal, when the way they got there is illegal, when the States that vote are given false and fraudulent information. "

"Now they want to take down the wall. Let’s let everyone flow in. Let’s let everybody flow in."

"we got rid of all of the stuff that we had to live with. But now the caravans, they think Biden’s getting in, the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country. Can’t let it happen. As this enormous crowd shows, we have truth and justice on our side. "

" Together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people and for the people."

"but I said, 'Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.' And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."

" But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue"

Once again, you're taking all that to mean violence.  Trying to get people enthusiastic or motivated doesn't mean you're trying to get them to be violent.  That's the problem with the world today, and it's just like when he was elected and people cried and needed safe spaces at work and at colleges.  

You don't need to be violent to make change.  

(01-13-2021, 11:30 PM)jason Wrote: Why did Trump silently watch all of this shit unfold in TV? The man called for a peaceful gathering at the capital. When he saw that all hell broke loose, why didn't he do a damn thing to stop it? People from his own party were pleading with him to make it stop... Or at least try. He couldn't be bothered.

You want him to go down to the Capitol and fight people?  

What do you suggest he should have done?

(01-13-2021, 11:37 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Damn. Wow Brad. Good points. I too am afraid of an authoritarian gov. 

We should totally organize an event where we attack the capital and install a real leader. Someone who leads with authority who we will all line up behind and follow. A true strong leader. 

No idea why the majority of Americans voted for Biden. But by god they were wrong and this definitely wouldn't be the same America if we just let the guy most people voted for lead us. 

Hell we have lost so much of our American exceptionalism that our European allies won't even meet with our top diplomat in recent days. What a quick hard fall thanks to Biden. 

Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

I love how no one addressed my problems with the first and second amendment being under attack.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

Because you don't understand the 1st amendment and I don't care about the 2nd.

Private businesses aren't the government. It's not the government shutting down Parler or deleting Trump from Twitter, it's the Free Market. True story.

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

Right! I’m with ya man. Screw elections and our democratic norms. We need a strong leader who shows real authority.

Never forget Twitter banned Trump!!

That will probably the next great saying like how 9/11 was never forget.

Keep up the fight. Maybe one day you will get the authoritative leader you desire and deserve. Sucks but it looks like it won’t be the next four years.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(01-14-2021, 12:05 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Smh

Our country survived a four year Civil War.
Our country survived taking on the Nazis and Japan in WW2.
Our country survived the assassination of JFK, Vietnam, and the darkest period in U.S. history after the Civil War.

But yeah, this will be the downfall of U.S. with Democrats having power after the worst President ever.

There's an interesting sub-point to this argument.  I've spent the last four years arguing that our governments foundations were beyond solid enough to survive any attempt by Trump to destroy them.  I was labeled a Trump enabler, or at least dismissive of his danger.  Now the exact same people have usurped that argument, that our foundations are far stronger than Trump's attempts to subvert them.  It's fascinating to observe.

[Belsnickel]

(01-14-2021, 02:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: There's an interesting sub-point to this argument.  I've spent the last four years arguing that our governments foundations were beyond solid enough to survive any attempt by Trump to destroy them.  I was labeled a Trump enabler, or at least dismissive of his danger.  Now the exact same people have usurped that argument, that our foundations are far stronger than Trump's attempts to subvert them.  It's fascinating to observe.

I would just respond to that by saying that each period of strife like this in our country was followed by reforms to help bolster the democratic society we have once we got on the other side of them. In the midst of them, there would have been people fighting like hell to preserve the systems that were in place, just like there have been during the past 4-5 years. Sitting back and saying "it'll all be fine" isn't the approach. Our country doesn't continue without people putting in the work to make it so. Those of us fighting against Trump, what led to his rise, and what has been happening are trying to make sure the bystander effect doesn't make this time different than those others. We're trying to prevent our government from being another Kitty Genovese.

[BigPapaKain]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, you're taking all that to mean violence.  Trying to get people enthusiastic or motivated doesn't mean you're trying to get them to be violent.  That's the problem with the world today, and it's just like when he was elected and people cried and needed safe spaces at work and at colleges.  

You don't need to be violent to make change.  
You want him to go down to the Capitol and fight people?  

What do you suggest he should have done?

Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

I love how no one addressed my problems with the first and second amendment being under attack.

To your first paragraph, I'd like to point out that yes - some reacted poorly to Trump's election. Not 'storm the Capitol in a vain attempt to overturn a legal election' poorly, but poorly nonetheless. It's almost as if they could see the shit show coming.

To your second statement - that is true; violence isn't necessary for change. Which makes one wonder why that mob on 1/6 descended into violence so quickly.

Third; call the ***** National Guard, call off the mob he incited, not provoke them in the first ***** place. Take your pick.

Fourth, I imagine most people voted for Biden over Trump because over 300,000 people are dead from a virus that Trump downplayed, millions are out of work because of said virus Trump downplayed, and they realized giving a thrice failed casino owner with a boatload of other failed businesses was in fact running this country like one of his business ventures - into the ground.

I literally talked about the First and Second amendment in my first post on this nonsense topic. Just because you can't refute what I said doesn't mean nobody touched on it. And as an addendum to that original comment, I'd like to point out that the last major sweeping gun regulation was enacted via Executive Order by *drum roll* Donald J. Trump, a Republican. 

[Belsnickel]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: You want him to go down to the Capitol and fight people?  

What do you suggest he should have done?

I dunno, maybe not waited until people ***** died and he literally had to be shamed into saying something before speaking out to his followers to stop the violence.

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

No, it wasn't being soft. But it also wasn't being a blowhard. Take the T. Roosevelt approach; talk softly but carry a big stick. the threat is there, but it doesn't need to be brandished at every opportunity. In order to be a great nation we have to be respected and trusted, neither of which were true of us during the Trump administration.

And again with the "liberal snowflake" shtick when we spent a year listening to MAGAts whining about masks and then Vanilla ISIS just attempted a coup because they were unhappy about the election.

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: I love how no one addressed my problems with the first and second amendment being under attack.

Well, this is just a lie, because your comments on the First Amendment have absolutely been addressed.

[*jason*]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, you're taking all that to mean violence.  Trying to get people enthusiastic or motivated doesn't mean you're trying to get them to be violent.  That's the problem with the world today, and it's just like when he was elected and people cried and needed safe spaces at work and at colleges.  

You don't need to be violent to make change.  
You want him to go down to the Capitol and fight people?  

What do you suggest he should have done?

Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

I love how no one addressed my problems with the first and second amendment being under attack.

Did I expect him to go down and fight? I don't even know what to do with that?

No... I wanted him to act like a leader of a western democracy.

[GMDino]

(01-14-2021, 08:30 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I would just respond to that by saying that each period of strife like this in our country was followed by reforms to help bolster the democratic society we have once we got on the other side of them. In the midst of them, there would have been people fighting like hell to preserve the systems that were in place, just like there have been during the past 4-5 years. Sitting back and saying "it'll all be fine" isn't the approach. Our country doesn't continue without people putting in the work to make it so. Those of us fighting against Trump, what led to his rise, and what has been happening are trying to make sure the bystander effect doesn't make this time different than those others. We're trying to prevent our government from being another Kitty Genovese.

Are you suggesting that Democracy survives because of the people?!?!  That speaking out against the coming storm, based on evidence see and the words of the candidate himself is right and not a sign od a mental illness vs  a week of news and stories about a tan suit?

[GMDino]

Now something like THIS might be the end of the United States.  She's in office.  Right now.

Always remember that Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is a gigantic racist who is willfully ignorant...pic.twitter.com/EcV1MhUj0G

— Rex Chapman?? (@RexChapman) January 13, 2021

 

[BmorePat87]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, you're taking all that to mean violence.  Trying to get people enthusiastic or motivated doesn't mean you're trying to get them to be violent.  That's the problem with the world today, and it's just like when he was elected and people cried and needed safe spaces at work and at colleges.  

You don't need to be violent to make change.  
You want him to go down to the Capitol and fight people?  

What do you suggest he should have done?

Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

I love how no one addressed my problems with the first and second amendment being under attack.

When the crowd you're speaking to includes people who are wearing shirts that say "civil war" and in militias, one can expect violence. Also, he has a history of promoting violence.

I think it's pretty obvious that people wanted him to call for swift action from federal agents to quell the violence his supporters were engaging in. That was well within his power. No one expected him to go down there and fight them. He instead watched gleefully and the Secretary of the Army instead had to consult with Mike Pence to activate the DC National Guard. He also couldn't even get on TV to say anything. He tweeted a 1 minute video where he told the terrorists that "we love you and you are very special"...

The majority of Americans voted for Biden for one of two reasons: Biden is sane and Trump has been a terrible president. 

Multiple people addressed your comments about the 1st and 2nd Amendment. You've ignored them. Matt and I both went line by line with your first post but you did not respond to either.

[BmorePat87]

(01-14-2021, 10:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: Now something like THIS might be the end of the United States.  She's in office.  Right now.

Always remember that Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is a gigantic racist who is willfully ignorant...pic.twitter.com/EcV1MhUj0G

— Rex Chapman?? (@RexChapman) January 13, 2021

 

Yea, what do you expect when the GOP elects people who openly support QAnon?

[*Nately120*]

(01-14-2021, 02:00 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Majority of Americans voted for Biden because the country is a bunch of snowflakes who forgot what it took to make this country great, and it wasn't being soft.

Trump supporters and Steelers players in the playoffs...you go into the game 150% sure your opponents couldn't ever possibly win and then you lose and you're just like "What did we do wrong? I mean, we acted like smug d-bags and ran our mouths....how did we fail?"

Yes, America has become a bunch of wimps and America has lost it's way.  This used to be the sort of complaining bitter old men would do as they spend their last years on this earth, but now thanks to the GOP BS-machine we see more and more young people preparing to lament how wimpy and soft America has become for the majority of their time upon this earth.  Sad.