LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias

[GMDino]

(07-21-2020, 09:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I actually expanded on it as I saw my reply was "Dino-like". But the point remains.

Did those protestors being shot at chase those trying to flee?

The question is moot.  Do you want to compare it to the shooting in the Wendy's parking lot instead?  You'd have more of a point there.

[*bfine32*]

(07-21-2020, 09:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: The question is moot.  Do you want to compare it to the shooting in the Wendy's parking lot instead?  You'd have more of a point there.

Nah, I think George Zimmerman and those Houston guys are a better corollary. Citizens policing their neighborhoods against wrong doers. Unfortunately. the vast majority of citizens do not receive training on escalation of force.

[GMDino]

(07-21-2020, 10:09 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Nah, I think George Zimmerman and those Houston guys are a better corollary. Citizens policing their neighborhoods against wrong doers. Unfortunately. the vast majority of citizens do not receive training on escalation of force.

Just like the police in the Wendy's parking lot were trained...

Much more similar cases where there was someone being aggressive and then fleeing...if the Seattle case involves fleeing like you say....one shot and killed by well trained in escalation police and the other by "thugs".  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 03:11 AM)Dill Wrote: When asked for linkage between a Far Left Security Force (your term)

I believe you started using this phrase in this thread.  I've never used this term in my life because it's inaccurate.  It's properly spelled far left extremist vigilante thugs.  When you can get basic facts right again let me know and we can resume our discussion.

[*bfine32*]

(07-21-2020, 10:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: Just like the police in the Wendy's parking lot were trained...

Much more similar cases where there was someone being aggressive and then fleeing...if the Seattle case involves fleeing like you say....one shot and killed by well trained in escalation police and the other by "thugs".  

Yes, law enforcement officers are training in escalation of force. Self-appointed cops are not. We'll just let those who read determine which cases are more corollary. I'm gonna go with yours and Fred's heroes of George Zimmerman and those Houston guys. Hell they felt threatened and shot.  They're not like that wimpy ST. Louis couple that only threatened to shoot when they felt they were threatened.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 09:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I actually expanded on it as I saw my reply was "Dino-like". But the point remains.

Did those protestors being shot at chase those trying to flee?

Here's what happened based on available facts.

CHOP self described "warlord" issues firearms to "security force".

Security force patrols CHOP openly carrying rifles (which I believe is illegal in WA)

Reports of shots fired from a silver SUV, later amended to white Jeep. 

CHOP "security" actively hunts down said Jeep.

CHOP "security" riddles Jeep with bullets, killing one occupant.  

Clear audio recording of the incident reveals statement made after initial flurry of gunfire, "Oh, you're still alive",  then a several second pause and a final gunshot is heard.

Police arrive to investigate and find that the scene had been "heavily tampered with".

Everything else is speculation.  Now, exactly like George Zimmerman, CHOP "security" created the scenario in which deadly force ended up being used.  So, regardless of whether you think the shooting itself was self defense or murder you cannot excuse, unless you wholeheartedly approve of vigilantism, the sequence of events that led up to the shooting.

I am fascinated by some of our far left members almost literally tripping over themselves to defend this blatant act of vigilantism while simultaneously raking law enforcement over the coals.  Peak clown world.

(07-21-2020, 10:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: Just like the police in the Wendy's parking lot were trained...

Much more similar cases where there was someone being aggressive and then fleeing...if the Seattle case involves fleeing like you say....one shot and killed by well trained in escalation police and the other by "thugs".  

Please tell us again how you don't hate law enforcement, it rings hollower with every post you make.

[GMDino]

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Quote:Feds, right-wing media paint Portland as ‘city under siege.’ A tour of town shows otherwise
Updated Jul 20, 2020; Posted Jul 18, 2020



The tony Pearl District neighborhood where protesters rallied in front of Mayor Ted Wheeler's condominium is nearly devoid of any evidence a demonstration took place there, save for graffiti on two crosswalks. A pedestrian walks in from of the building on Friday, July 17, 2020.Photo by Eder Campuzano/Staff





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By Eder Campuzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive

As Cory Alexander and her daughter Nevaeh Belka stroll through downtown Portland, a mural catches the 9-year-old’s eye.
The wall of black plywood surrounding the Pioneer Place Apple Store is a memorial to Black Americans killed by police.
George Floyd. Breonna Taylor. Jason Washington.
Nevaeh trots up the steps, faces her mother and raises a fist. Alexander, 46 and white, taps on her phone and takes a photo of her Black daughter.

“That’s what this is all about,” Alexander says.

But national media reports, particularly those published by right-wing outlets, suggest a vastly different version of how safe it is for children and families to stroll through downtown Portland.

One America News Network describes “violence gripping the city.” A Fox News headline blares “Portland protesters flood police precinct, chant about burning it down.” The New York Post reported Saturday that Portland “descended into violence.”

Many people who live in Portland, including Alexander, heard over the past few days from worried relatives in other states who feared that their loved ones in Portland might have been affected by fires or caught in police crossfire as they went about their day.

The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city: a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse.



And they occur exclusively during late-night hours in which only a couple hundred or fewer protesters and scores of police officers are out in the city’s coronavirus-hollowed downtown.

Those events are hardly representative of daily life, including peaceful anti-racism demonstrations that have drawn tens of thousands of protesters, in a city of 650,000 people that encompasses 145 square miles.

The vast majority of Portland residents spend quiet home-bound lives on hushed tree-lined streets with coronavirus and its resulting economic catastrophe as the greatest threat to their well-being.

Portland has experienced weeks of daily protests since the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minnesota police.

The largest of them, involving thousands of people chanting and marching for racial justice and police non-violence, have been peaceful.

But almost like clockwork, tensions flare late at night between law enforcement officers stationed at the Justice Center and courthouse and a crowd of 20- and 30-something demonstrators, a small number of whom toss projectiles at police, shine lasers in their eyes or otherwise poke and prod officers to engage.

The Portland Police Bureau often tweets photos of the objects tossed at officers, including rocks, half-empty cans of alcoholic seltzer and partially eaten apples.

But they’ve also claimed, without presenting evidence, that protesters, in the words of Police Capt. Craig Dobson, “often” lob water bottles full of urine or feces as well as “large mortar-style fireworks that can kill people,” endangering officers.

Law enforcement officials claim demonstrators’ use of such objects have required them to deploy tear gas, foam-tipped projectiles and other munitions against the hundreds gathered to disperse the crowd.

Smaller skirmishes have broken out at a pair of police precincts in other parts of the city and the Portland Police Association headquarters in North Portland, where officials accused demonstrators of lighting a dumpster on fire in an effort to set the whole building ablaze.

The agency has not been able to corroborate its claim that the union building was at serious risk. Nevertheless, images and video of the event, as well as fires lit at the base of the city’s historic downtown elk fountain, have galvanized conservative media across the country.

One particular viewer, President Donald Trump, has vowed to crack down.

His agency provided news organizations with a list of “violence” protesters have engaged in, the bulk of which consisted of vandalism to federal property, primarily graffiti on the courthouse exterior.



Portlanders swiftly rebutted Acting U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf’s portrayal of the city as under siege from violent protests, posting mundane scenes from their neighborhoods.

Among images they shared:

A community garden in the Southwest Hillsdale neighborhood.

Elephants bathing at the Oregon Zoo.

Stickers on street signs along Northeast Alberta Street.

Some even poked fun at national reporters, one of whom declared he was about to parachute in to “sort out what in the world is happening” in the Rose City.

The Oregonian/OregonLive spoke to nearly two dozen Portlanders and visitors downtown Friday as Wolf and other federal officials continued to characterize the city as lawless and under threat of constant riots.

Johnny Leyua, left, and Stephanie Leyua, center, visited Portland from Salt Lake City with their family Friday and said the image of the city put forth by federal officials and right-wing media did not comport to what they saw touring downtown.Photo by Eder Campuzano/Staff


Johnny Leyua, 18, was touring downtown and marveled at the mural in front of the Apple Store where Cory Alexander photographed her daughter.

“I would say that people here are doing it right,” Johnny Leyua said. “I think Portland is straight for the movement.”

He and his sister, Stephanie Leyua, 20, live in Salt Lake City. She’s retrieving a car from her ex and said she’s seen nothing but artwork filling the streets.

Stephanie Leyua caught sight of Wolf’s tweets at the Justice Center, which showed him chatting with police against the backdrop of graffiti he estimates will cost $5,000 to remove.

“Why didn’t he take any pictures of this?” Stephanie Leyua said, gesturing to the mural of Floyd, Washington and other Black people killed by police.

Although the Justice Center and federal courthouse are covered with angry graffiti decrying police, evidence of other demonstrations in the city are scarce.

For a couple of days, protesters rallied in front of Mayor Ted Wheeler’s condominium in a tony Northwest Portland neighborhood. Demonstrators tried to set up a police-free zone like the one protesters in Seattle set up in the Capitol Hill neighborhood in June.

But Portland police quickly dismantled the pallets and other debris blocking off the road.

Now, the only reminders of the demonstration are spray painted letters reading “Little Palestine” on one crosswalk and, on another, “PKAZ” — short for Patrick Kimmons Autonomous Zone, named after a Black Portlander killed by police.

With most Portlanders sticking close to home amid coronavirus, however, national TV coverage has been able to shape even some Portland residents’ sense of protests and police action taking place in their city.

Graffiti reading "Little Palestine" is practically the only evidence any demonstration took place in front of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler's condominium in June.Photo by Eder Campuzano/Staff


Maria Magdalena, who lives in North Portland, said her view of the city’s protests has largely been that of boarded up businesses and police occasionally declaring riots.

She primarily speaks Spanish and typically catches newscasts on the local Univision affiliate.

“Why do they go after businesses?” she asked about protesters. “None of this is their fault.”

Katherine Sherman, a mother of three who attended a protest at Cleveland High Friday, also said she saw local news outlets focusing on vandalism and confrontations with police, which she said distracted from demonstrators’ larger messages against police brutality and systemic racism.

“It misses the point,” she said. “It misses the beauty of this cultural moment.”

She wasn’t alone in her criticism.

In mid-June, editors at The Oregonian/OregonLive adjusted the way collections of photographs accompanying protest coverage appear on its website.

Readers pointed out that every morning report on the previous night’s demonstrations was rife images of cops in riot gear and protesters fleeing amid clouds of smoke, burying photographs of the larger numbers of Portlanders peacefully chanting, marching through city streets or rallying in parks.

Rather than publishing those collections in chronological order, which prioritizes the last images photographers collect, often of police clearing protesters out of downtown Portland, the news organization now manually reorders them to give readers a look at the totality of events of any given day’s protests.

“We have made clear distinctions between the large, peaceful demonstrations and continued peaceful demonstrations, separate from the smaller group that gathers downtown at night,” Editor Therese Bottomly said Friday.

As the national spotlight continues to shine on Portland, tensions have mounted between demonstrators and the federal police who patrol outside the courthouse.

The first 50 or so days of demonstrations in Portland hardly drew any national media attention. In this June 13 photo, protesters gather at Cleveland High School in Southeast Portland after a rally at Revolution Hall. (Mark Graves/Staff)


The Trump Administration dispatched federal marshals and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agents to protect the building from vandalism after Wheeler ordered city police to scale back their confrontations with demonstrators.

The move is largely seen as a campaign strategy on the president’s part as his approval ratings plummet and polls show him far behind presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Earlier this month, a federal police officer shot a less-than-lethal munition at 26-year-old Donavan La Bella’s face while he was holding a speaker across the street from the Justice Center, sending him to the hospital with a serious head wound.

Reports of federal agents apprehending Portlanders in unmarked vehicles began to circulate soon after.

The incidents galvanized demonstrators and prompted local and national officials to call for an investigation.

Critics say the government’s slow response to requests for transparency and the national media’s focus on the most salacious moments of the city’s demonstrations prove both federal officials and national reporters care more about property damage than the physical injuries protesters sustain on the streets.

Portland officials’ claims that demonstrations against police brutality and systemic racism cost downtown businesses upward of $23 million and video of protesters toppling a statue of Thomas Jefferson at a high school in North Portland drew headlines across the country.

But follow-up reporting of a faulty business association survey that mischaracterized sales losses due to coronavirus-related closures as protest-related or the school district’s push to rename many of its buildings in a nod to the movement that led to the statue’s toppling haven’t spread beyond local media.

A small memorial is placed at the spot where 26-year-old Donavan La Bella was shot in the head with an impact munition by a Police Officer outside of the Mark O. Hatfield federal courthouse in downtown Portland on July 11, 2020. La Bella suffered skull fractures and underwent surgery.Brooke Herbert/The Oregonian/OregonLive


Neither have stories about the protesters volunteering to feed houseless Portlanders in downtown parks, a group local police removed from the parks in front of the federal courthouse ahead of Wolf’s visit.

Meanwhile, La Bella’s dry blood still stains the sidewalk across the street from the Justice Center.

[*bfine32*]

(07-21-2020, 10:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Here's what happened based on available facts.

CHOP self described "warlord" issues firearms to "security force".

Security force patrols CHOP openly carrying rifles (which I believe is illegal in WA)

Reports of shots fired from a silver SUV, later amended to white Jeep. 

CHOP "security" actively hunts down said Jeep.

CHOP "security" riddles Jeep with bullets, killing one occupant.  

Clear audio recording of the incident reveals statement made after initial flurry of gunfire, "Oh, you're still alive",  then a several second pause and a final gunshot is heard.

Police arrive to investigate and find that the scene had been "heavily tampered with".

Everything else is speculation.  Now, exactly like George Zimmerman, CHOP "security" created the scenario in which deadly force ended up being used.  So, regardless of whether you think the shooting itself was self defense or murder you cannot excuse, unless you wholeheartedly approve of vigilantism, the sequence of events that led up to the shooting.

I am fascinated by some of our far left members almost literally tripping over themselves to defend this blatant act of vigilantism while simultaneously raking law enforcement over the coals.  Peak clown world.


Please tell us again how you don't hate law enforcement, it rings hollower with every post you make.

When you actually see it written out like that; I find it hard to defend the CHOP "security". Hell, the Left was outraged because a crowd trespassed on a couple's property and all that couple did was threaten violence.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 10:29 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes, law enforcement officers are training in escalation of force. Self-appointed cops are not. We'll just let those who read determine which cases are more corollary. I'm gonna go with yours and Fred's heroes of George Zimmerman and those Houston guys. Hell they felt threatened and shot.  They're not like that wimpy ST. Louis couple that only threatened to shoot when they felt they were threatened.

The killing you're referencing took place in Georgia, not Texas.  Otherwise, spot on.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 10:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: When you actually see it written out like that; I find it hard to defend the CHOP "security". Hell, the Left was outraged because a crowd trespassed on a couple's property and all that couple did was threaten violence.

Indeed.  The response by some on this board is even more amusing when you consider that some of the same people openly derided the protesters in Michigan who peacefully and lawfully open carried at the state capital.  Not a single law was broken or arrest was made but the same people who are now defending vigilante murder couldn't stop screaming about these protesters "actively intimidating" state law makers.  Maybe if the Michigan protesters had shot up the place they'd have issues their stamp of approval?  Or maybe they don't disapprove of violence and intimidation as long as the perpetrators of said violence and intimidation have the correct, i.e. far left, politics?

Like I said, peak clown world.

[Belsnickel]

(07-21-2020, 10:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: When you actually see it written out like that; I find it hard to defend the CHOP "security". Hell, the Left was outraged because a crowd trespassed on a couple's property and all that couple did was threaten violence.

In all seriousness, the people in CHOP almost immediately showed how stupid they were with all of this. They almost immediately created a system for law enforcement that was far more aggressive and egregious in their use of force than the law enforcement agencies they have problems with. There was harassment of people for exercising their freedom of speech. Then, when they want to claim autonomy they demand the city and state help them out with things.

It was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

[GMDino]

(07-21-2020, 11:01 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In all seriousness, the people in CHOP almost immediately showed how stupid they were with all of this. They almost immediately created a system for law enforcement that was far more aggressive and egregious in their use of force than the law enforcement agencies they have problems with. There was harassment of people for exercising their freedom of speech. Then, when they want to claim autonomy they demand the city and state help them out with things.

It was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

An ill thought out plan poorly executed, no doubt.

People caught up in the moment chose very poorly and hopefully that will awaken some people before they try such a thing again.  But I doubt it.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 11:01 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In all seriousness, the people in CHOP almost immediately showed how stupid they were with all of this. They almost immediately created a system for law enforcement that was far more aggressive and egregious in their use of force than the law enforcement agencies they have problems with. There was harassment of people for exercising their freedom of speech. Then, when they want to claim autonomy they demand the city and state help them out with things.

It was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

Outstanding post and 100% true.  Their version of law enforcement racked up a list of brutality and shootings that would create a firestorm in the media if it was committed by actually sworn law enforcement.  Which makes the lack of extreme condemnation from the media all the more strange.

(07-21-2020, 11:03 AM)GMDino Wrote: An ill thought out plan poorly executed, no doubt.

I'm sure the parents of the murdered teenager would use different words to describe it.

Quote:People caught up in the moment chose very poorly and hopefully that will awaken some people before they try such a thing again.  But I doubt it.

If only you extended the same consideration to law enforcement officers that you extend to far left vigilantes.  Quite sad really.

[Dill]

(07-21-2020, 10:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I believe you started using this phrase in this thread.  I've never used this term in my life because it's inaccurate.  It's properly spelled far left extremist vigilante thugs.  When you can get basic facts right again let me know and we can resume our discussion.

LOL "basic facts." You can't appeal to a standard you yourself constantly flout. 

I'll walk you through it. Your post # 65 led me to "Far Left Security Force."

(07-17-2020, 08:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Also especially tough when you live in a city in which the far left feels entitled to set up "autonomous zones" and murder people with their own security force.

A "Far Left Security Force" would be a "security force" set up by some entity called "the far left." You were my source here.

You weren't calling your "far left security force" a "criminal vigilante mob" until your post #87.

(07-19-2020, 03:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:*Far Left Security Forces.
You misspelled criminal vigilante mobs.

Speaking as a "professional LEO" on a thread about bias in Police/DOJ threat assessment,

you decided your original term--"security force"-- did not express your pre-judgment accurately enough.

Now your term of preference is "left extremist vigilante thugs." 

"Basic facts" constituted by adjectives.

[Dill]

(07-21-2020, 10:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Here's what happened based on available facts.

CHOP self described "warlord" issues firearms to "security force".

Security force patrols CHOP openly carrying rifles (which I believe is illegal in WA)

Reports of shots fired from a silver SUV, later amended to white Jeep. 

CHOP "security" actively hunts down said Jeep.

CHOP "security" riddles Jeep with bullets, killing one occupant.  

Clear audio recording of the incident reveals statement made after initial flurry of gunfire, "Oh, you're still alive",  then a several second pause and a final gunshot is heard.

Police arrive to investigate and find that the scene had been "heavily tampered with".

When I actually see it written out like that, I wonder where the info about a "self described warlord" issuing firearms to a "security force" comes from.

Who reported "shots fired" and to whom? Why such aversion to sourcing such material facts, or acknowledging gaps in the record? 

"Shots fired" is still rather vague. Was someone shooting at the security force? Innocent passersby?

I am still asking where these facts are available.  Fred, Dino can you help?

(07-21-2020, 10:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Everything else is speculation.  Now, exactly like George Zimmerman, CHOP "security" created the scenario in which deadly force ended up being used.  So, regardless of whether you think the shooting itself was self defense or murder you cannot excuse, unless you wholeheartedly approve of vigilantism, the sequence of events that led up to the shooting.

I am fascinated by some of our far left members almost literally tripping over themselves to defend this blatant act of vigilantism while simultaneously raking law enforcement over the coals.  Peak clown world.

Please tell us again how you don't hate law enforcement, it rings hollower with every post you make.

Is the bolded then "speculation"? 

I don't approve of vigilantism wholeheartedly or even half-heartedly, by "security forces" or police. 

Even so, I think I can "excuse" a shooting, even a police shooting, if it was in self defense.

Why should the effort to collect and establish a factual record before rendering judgment be cast as "far left members . . . tripping over themselves to defend this blatant act of vigilantism"?  Why isn't the "professional LEO with investigative experience" helping to provide a sourced factual record rather than rushing to play judge and jury?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 11:32 AM)Dill Wrote: LOL "basic facts." You can't appeal to a standard you yourself constantly flout. 

I'll walk you through it. Your post # 65 led me to "Far Left Security Force."


A "Far Left Security Force" would be a "security force" set up by some entity called "the far left." You were my source here.

You weren't calling your "far left security force" a "criminal vigilante mob" until your post #87.


Speaking as a "professional LEO" on a thread about bias in Police/DOJ threat assessment,

you decided your original term--"security force"-- did not express your pre-judgment accurately enough.

Now your term of preference is "left extremist vigilante thugs." 

"Basic facts" constituted by adjectives.

This entire post is unnecessary.  I could explain that using the words in direct conjunction as a term is not the same as referring to the "security" forces of the CHOP as "far left".  But you already knew that and made this post anyways.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 12:15 PM)Dill Wrote: When I actually see it written out like that, I wonder where the info about a "self described warlord" issuing firearms to a "security force" comes from.

Google is a thing, try using it.  I'm not here to educate you on the basic facts of what happened at CHAZ/CHOP.  If you want to engage on the subject educate yourself on the basic facts before attempting to do so.  At the very least don't expect me to hold your hand through the process. 

Quote:Who reported "shots fired" and to whom? Why such aversion to sourcing such material facts, or acknowledging gaps in the record? 

"Shots fired" is still rather vague. Was someone shooting at the security force? Innocent passersby?

Please refer to a post I made above, it should clear all of this up.

Quote:I am still asking where these facts are available.  Fred, Dino can you help?

I can't tell you how amusing this sentence is.

Quote:Is the bolded then "speculation"? 

No, it's a fact.

Quote:I don't approve of vigilantism wholeheartedly or even half-heartedly, by "security forces" or police. 

Even so, I think I can "excuse" a shooting, even a police shooting, if it was in self defense.

Even a police shooting?  Very generous of you.  I didn't know you were a George Zimmerman defender, this topic has revealed some very interesting things about our fellow posters.

Quote:Why should the effort to collect and establish a factual record before rendering judgment be cast as "far left members . . . tripping over themselves to defend this blatant act of vigilantism"?  Why isn't the "professional LEO with investigative experience" helping to provide a sourced factual record rather than rushing to play judge and jury?

Again, please see above, all of this is answered.  Also again, please educate yourself about basic facts before attempting to pursue this topic further.  I know I would appreciate it and I'm sure others reading the thread would as well.

[Belsnickel]

(07-21-2020, 02:23 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Google is a thing, try using it.  I'm not here to educate you on the basic facts of what happened at CHAZ/CHOP.  If you want to engage on the subject educate yourself on the basic facts before attempting to do so.  At the very least don't expect me to hold your hand through the process. 

While the rapper handed out firearms from the back of his Tesla and proclaimed himself the leader in the area, I don't know if he ever referred to himself as a "warlord." I know that right-wing media labeled him as such, but I don't recall ever seeing him claim the title himself.

Edit: according to this, Raz "disputed the title." https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/chops-violent-end-in-seattle-casts-doubt-on-autonomous-zones-occupy-protests

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-21-2020, 02:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: While the rapper handed out firearms from the back of his Tesla and proclaimed himself the leader in the area, I don't know if he ever referred to himself as a "warlord." I know that right-wing media labeled him as such, but I don't recall ever seeing him claim the title himself.

Edit: according to this, Raz "disputed the title." https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/chops-violent-end-in-seattle-casts-doubt-on-autonomous-zones-occupy-protests

Appreciate the correction, Bel.  The handing out rifles from the back of his car isn't in dispute, as you say, as there is video evidence of it. 

[Belsnickel]

(07-21-2020, 03:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Appreciate the correction, Bel.  The handing out rifles from the back of his car isn't in dispute, as you say, as there is video evidence of it. 

Oh yeah. He handed our ARs and was like "you know how to use that, right?" and then they showed footage of the person definitely not knowing how to use it.