Maine Mass Shooting

[GMDino]

(10-27-2023, 06:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How many people in those pictures have committed murder with a firearm?

Probably none...yet.

But as my point was the celebration of guns in our culture your point is moot.

Not sure why you quoted Dill from another thread...again.  But maybe you just like breaking forum rules?

[GMDino]

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2023, 07:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: Probably none...yet.

But as my point was the celebration of guns in our culture your point is moot.

Not sure why you quoted Dill from another thread...again.  But maybe you just like breaking forum rules?

It's my sig.  You have annoying gifs I have a quote about "distrusting" Hamas.  If the mods tell me it's against the rules, I'll remove it.  Until then everyone can see what he said about having to work to "distrust" a terrorist organization that engages in wanton rape and murder.

As for the pictures, one could view it your way.  Another way to view it would be political pandering.  Yet another way to view it would be pushing back against people who want to take away your rights.  That you chose to view it the way you did is not surprising.

[GMDino]

(10-27-2023, 08:25 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's my sig.  You have annoying gifs I have a quote about "distrusting" Hamas.  If the mods tell me it's against the rules, I'll remove it.  Until then everyone can see what he said about having to work to "distrust" a terrorist organization that engages in wanton rape and murder.

As for the pictures, one could view it your way.  Another way to view it would be political pandering.  Yet another way to view it would be pushing back against people who want to take away your rights.  That you chose to view it the way you did is not surprising.

Nor the way you choose to do it because I was talking about the glorification of guns in our culture.  But you do you.

So you're using your sig out call out Dill because of the way you interpreted it? Not sure that's proper.  I guess we'll find out.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-27-2023, 05:00 PM)Nately120 Wrote: That's a whole different debate on the idea of calculating the risk vs rewards of having certain freedoms.  That'd be an interesting can of worms to open.

With a moral dilemma. Would it have been ok to trade say ten lives due to increased concealed carry to save twenty lives in Maine. Quick answer is of course. Saving the lives of ten people who would have otherwise died is one thing. Trading, even ten for twenty, is a bit more complicated.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-27-2023, 06:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Probably none, but people are free to treat guns like attention magnets just as people are free to get a bitter laugh out of the many times people end up looking down the barrel of their own guns after buying them to protect them from some sort of generic "bad guy."  One of those true crime things I saw recently was pretty silly in the sense that the 20 something loser son in a family was so upset about his parents giving him a "get out and get a job" ultimatum that he shot all of them and then shot himself in the foot and called the police.

Always a hoot.  No shit, this black guy just shows up and grabs our rifle shoots everyone in my family 5 times in the head and then shoots me in the foot and is like "My work here is done" and then he took nothing and disappeared and also I unplugged the security camera before it happened for some reason.

I also like the most amusing signaling divergence when you have right-wing politicians make sure their videos from home are in front of a shelf of guns and the left-wingers are in front of a shelf of books.  Actually, I guess Boebert has a shelf where there are books with a gun lying across the top of them.

If I were a politician I'd have a campaign ad where I open the front door of my house and a wave of firearms spills out onto my porch like a cartoon and then I'd say "See that?  This is why you need to vote for me." 

LOL. Anytime I’m watching true crime shows and somebody claims some black guys broke in and started shooting, and of course left them alive for some reason, I’m like off to prison for you. At least claim it’s white people. Let’s have a little variety.

[HarleyDog]

(10-27-2023, 06:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: I figured it was clear that I was speaking tongue in cheek about arming everyone.

Clearly that is not the answer.

I do agree we have a culture problem.









Maybe.

Would it be any different if they were families holding the constitution? It's clear these pictures are families celebrating their freedom. Plus, these are cool pictures and I'm thinking we may have a new family Christmas photo this year. This is what freedom looks like. Freedom to do what you want in your house without being told your bigots, elitist, extremist, misogynist, racist, radical, trash, zealots, or whatever the left tries to staple a person or family who wants to protect themselves and live peacefully within those rights granted by the constitution. It's not a one size fits all society and what others do in their house should not offend you.  

Although I'm not a gun owner, I can't really think of anyone in my family who isn't., and I'm 100% ok with it. 

[GMDino]

(10-27-2023, 09:00 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Would it be any different if they were families holding the constitution? It's clear these pictures are families celebrating their freedom. Plus, these are cool pictures and I'm thinking we may have a new family Christmas photo this year. This is what freedom looks like. Freedom to do what you want in your house without being told your bigots, elitist, extremist, misogynist, racist, radical, trash, zealots, or whatever the left tries to staple a person or family who wants to protect themselves and live peacefully within those rights granted by the constitution. It's not a one size fits all society and what others do in their house should not offend you.  

Although I'm not a gun owner, I can't really think of anyone in my family who isn't., and I'm 100% ok with it. 

I think it would be cooler because they would be referring to all rights not just their love of guns.

But if you think I said they can't do that...I didn't.

If you think I was offended...I wasn't.

I, again, pointed out that we have a gun culture where people make guns their personality.

And if you think they are cool...I'm right. 

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2023, 09:00 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Would it be any different if they were families holding the constitution? It's clear these pictures are families celebrating their freedom. Plus, these are cool pictures and I'm thinking we may have a new family Christmas photo this year. This is what freedom looks like. Freedom to do what you want in your house without being told your bigots, elitist, extremist, misogynist, racist, radical, trash, zealots, or whatever the left tries to staple a person or family who wants to protect themselves and live peacefully within those rights granted by the constitution. It's not a one size fits all society and what others do in their house should not offend you.  

Although I'm not a gun owner, I can't really think of anyone in my family who isn't., and I'm 100% ok with it. 

Meh, I don't mind people owning guns but this seems to fall into "shove the fact that we own guns down your throat" territory.  Tone it down, people.  Also, I'll honestly admit googling pictures of "black family with guns" is less humorous and hokey.  Ah well, pose with your guns I just realized how hard it is for multiple people to hold up guns without any of them pointing at anyone.  That seems like a bit of a no no, freedom or otherwise.  

I do think the "look how much we love guns!" pictures remind me of goth kids in high school.  Let's all race to the store and buy the same stuff everyone is buying to show how interesting we are.

(10-27-2023, 08:51 PM)michaelsean Wrote: LOL. Anytime I’m watching true crime shows and somebody claims some black guys broke in and started shooting, and of course left them alive for some reason, I’m like off to prison for you. At least claim it’s white people. Let’s have a little variety.

It's always funny when it's the most obvious thing, too.  Yes, my wife and I were having marital problems and she was going to leave me and take all my money and out me as being addicted to tentacle porn to everyone BUT no shit a black guy came in here and shot her 27 times and then shot me in the pinky toe and left.  Oh and can I cash in her $2,000,000 life insurance policy now?  I'd like that in one lump sum, I'm taking our au pair to Thailand tomorrow.

[*pally*]

Robert Card, the "person of interest" in this mass murder has been found dead. It appears to have been a suicide by a self inflicted gun wound

[GMDino]

(10-27-2023, 10:55 PM)pally Wrote: Robert Card, the "person of interest" in this mass murder has been found dead.  It appears to have been a suicide by a self inflicted gun wound

Not a huge surprise.  I just wondered if they'd ever find the body.

It's so sad...all the way around.

He couldn't get the help he needed and he couldn't be stopped/helped before others had to die too.

Just sad.

[Luvnit2]

(10-28-2023, 09:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Not a huge surprise.  I just wondered if they'd ever find the body.

It's so sad...all the way around.

He couldn't get the help he needed and he couldn't be stopped/helped before others had to die too.

Just sad.

One more time red flags everywhere, but he spends 2 weeks in a mental hospital and is released. Then gots on shooting spree. In the old days, there were mental hospitals and these individuals never got out or went through rigorous therapy before they got out.

We have a mental illness problem, not a gun problem. I have never heard of one sane person killing people in mass.

[*Nately120*]

(10-28-2023, 12:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: One more time red flags everywhere, but he spends 2 weeks in a mental hospital and is released. Then gots on shooting spree. In the old days, there were mental hospitals and these individuals never got out or went through rigorous therapy before they got out.

We have a mental illness problem, not a gun problem. I have never heard of one sane person killing people in mass.

[GMDino]

We have a fresh answer to the gun problem shooting problem killing problem.

We just have take away a bunch of rights from women.  Problem solved. 

Mike Johnson blames mass shootings on “no-fault divorce laws,” “feminism,” and Roe v Wade.#EndGunViolence #GunReformNowpic.twitter.com/Zd1GF8Mq0d https://t.co/no8Xhk8OfT

— Adam Rifkin ?? (@ifindkarma) October 27, 2023

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[Arturo Bandini]

Good luck with that guy.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-30-2023, 11:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: We have a fresh answer to the gun problem shooting problem killing problem.

We just have take away a bunch of rights from women.  Problem solved. 

Mike Johnson blames mass shootings on “no-fault divorce laws,” “feminism,” and Roe v Wade.#EndGunViolence #GunReformNowpic.twitter.com/Zd1GF8Mq0d https://t.co/no8Xhk8OfT

— Adam Rifkin ?? (@ifindkarma) October 27, 2023

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Yeah, that's stupid.  Just as stupid as Eric Swalwell's idea to ban "assault weapons" and go door to door confiscating them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/questions-answers-lawmaker-who-wants-your-assault-weapons-n871531

Which he reiterated recently in response to this shooting. (sans the door to door bit, he must have gotten some advice not to give the whole game away).

Ban assault weapons now. Choose our kids over their killers. pic.twitter.com/7h5vYj9Hzi

— Eric Swalwell (@ericswalwell) August 28, 2023

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[GMDino]

(10-30-2023, 11:37 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, that's stupid.  Just as stupid as Eric Swalwell's idea to ban "assault weapons" and go door to door confiscating them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/questions-answers-lawmaker-who-wants-your-assault-weapons-n871531

Which he reiterated recently in response to this shooting. (sans the door to door bit, he must have gotten some advice not to give the whole game away).

Ban assault weapons now. Choose our kids over their killers. pic.twitter.com/7h5vYj9Hzi

— Eric Swalwell (@ericswalwell) August 28, 2023

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Oh so he didn't say the thing you said he said.  Got it.

In fact he didn't say it all.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/questions-answers-lawmaker-who-wants-your-assault-weapons-n871531

Quote:The way I see it is you have a grace period to buy them back. If you do not participate in the buyback, I'm proposing that we would have a way that they could be kept at a licensed shooting range. You could still fire them there, shoot for sport at a licensed range or licensed hunting club, but they would no longer be at a shopping mall, at a church, in a car, but kept securely to protect the most people.

I'm not proposing a roundup or confiscation. It would be like anything else that's banned: If you're caught with it there would be a steep penalty. Any fear of ATF agents going door to door to collect assault weapons is unfounded and not what is proposed here. They don't go collecting drugs that are banned or any other substance or weapon that's banned and I’m not proposing that here.

Should I add you post to my "stupid" signature?  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-30-2023, 11:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: Oh so he didn't say the thing you said he said.  Got it.

In fact he didn't say it all.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/questions-answers-lawmaker-who-wants-your-assault-weapons-n871531

Sure he didn't.  I'll let him tell you himself.  He did say he won't use troops to go door to door, so yeah, hang your hat on that.





So mandatory confiscation followed by severe criminal prosecution if you refuse to comply.  How are you going to confiscate the weapons that aren't turned in?  Thoughts and prayers?  He literally says it himself.  So yeah, it's just as stupid as the person you quoted.  Not to mention blatantly unconstitutional.  Instead of trying to defend the fascist (appropriately used here) lawmaker, maybe agree that his position is awful?  Unless you agree with him.  Do you think there should be confiscation followed by sever criminal prosecution for those who refuse to comply?

Quote:Should I add you post to my "stupid" signature?  

I couldn't care less what you do or don't do.  

[GMDino]

(10-30-2023, 12:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure he didn't.  I'll let him tell you himself.  He did say he won't use troops to go door to door, so yeah, hang your hat on that.





So mandatory confiscation followed by severe criminal prosecution if you refuse to comply.  How are you going to confiscate the weapons that aren't turned in?  Thoughts and prayers?  He literally says it himself.  So yeah, it's just as stupid as the person you quoted.  Not to mention blatantly unconstitutional.  Instead of trying to defend the fascist (appropriately used here) lawmaker, maybe agree that his position is awful?  Unless you agree with him.  Do you think there should be confiscation followed by sever criminal prosecution for those who refuse to comply?




I couldn't care less what you do or don't do.  

The answer to your question was in his response I quoted.  If caught, as with anything banned like drugs, that would be confiscated and the person punished by the law.  It explained it clearly and concisely. So I don't have to defend him.

While it also addresses the problem better than saying it is caused by "feminism" and abortion I'll add I don't think his idea would work and would likely never come close to passing as a law...so I wasn't defending him.  I clarified that what you said was wrong.

I know you want to push a false narrative to create the illusion or fascism and the fear that comes with it when it comes to guns but this was a very poor attempt.

[*Nately120*]

(10-30-2023, 11:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: We have a fresh answer to the gun problem shooting problem killing problem.

We just have take away a bunch of rights from women.  Problem solved. 

Mike Johnson blames mass shootings on “no-fault divorce laws,” “feminism,” and Roe v Wade.#EndGunViolence #GunReformNowpic.twitter.com/Zd1GF8Mq0d https://t.co/no8Xhk8OfT

— Adam Rifkin ?? (@ifindkarma) October 27, 2023

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If we would have simply given the shooter 40 virgins he would have been too busy and happy to kill anyone. 

All jokes aside, the basic concept that men going on killing sprees could inspire taking away the rights of women is as crazy as it is plausible.

We are getting so far away from these supposed "good times" thst they've become even more warped in our minds. 

The best time times were before anyone under the age of 75 can even remember, go figure.