Manufacturing...best year since 2004

[Vlad]

Thank You President Trump

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/manufacturing-in-u-s-accelerates-to-cap-best-year-since-2004

[Belsnickel]

Meanwhile, in the cutting of regulations, the number of coal mining deaths nearly doubled in 2017.

Also, what were the actual jobs gained? The article doesn't discuss that. Did manufacturing jobs actually increase?

[*Nately120*]

I'm just glancing at this, but the graph doesn't exactly show the Obama years to have significantly less domestic manufacturing activity than now.  In fact, the uptick from 08-09 looks to be the most significant increase by far.

[GMDino]

https://www.truthexam.com/2017/12/under-donald-trumps-leadership-american-jobs-sent-overseas-hits-five-year-record-high/

Quote:Under Trump’s Leadership, American Jobs Sent Overseas Hits Five-Year Record High


Donald Trump promised that he would bring jobs back to the United States. Instead, the very corporations he’s giving a massive tax cut to are sending jobs overseas at an even faster rate than when Barack Obama was president.
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Good Jobs Nation analyzed data from the Department of Labor and discovered that since Trump was elected, Americans lost 93,000 jobs to foreign countries. Over the previous five years, the average loss was 87,000.

Right after his election, Trump touted a “deal he made with Carrier Corporation to keep jobs in America, threatening that “Companies are not going to leave the United States anymore without consequences.” But it turned out that Trump and Mike Pence put together a $7 million bribe to Carrier. And Carrier sent jobs overseas anyway. All those “consequences” Trump bragged about? They never happened.


And that makes the tax plan an even bigger problem. Trump promises that the tax bill will strengthen the middle class, but according to the Economic Policy Institute, the bill will hurt middle-class families while benefiting giant corporations:
This Robin Hood-in-reverse plan would be a disaster for most working families, and is nothing more than a payoff to the Trump family and the wealthy individuals and big business that helped put him in office.”


The Republicans claim that all this money will create more jobs. That might be true, but they won’t be jobs for Americans.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-carrier-offshoring-jobs_us_5a1f6f97e4b0a8581e67e62e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Quote:After helping strike a deal to keep the Carrier Corporation from shutting down its furnace plant in Indianapolis one year ago on Wednesday, Donald Trump said the days of companies shipping jobs overseas had ended.


“Companies are not going to leave the United States anymore without consequences,” Trump, who was then president-elect, said last year at the Carrier plant, echoing a key campaign promise. “Not going to happen.”

It has continued to happen.

Though it seemed that Trump’s populist, anti-trade campaign and his surprising election victory heralded the beginning of a new protectionist era, companies have continued to lay off workers for trade-related reasons at roughly the same pace as in the previous five years.

More than 93,000 jobs have been eliminated due to foreign competition since Trump’s election, according to Labor Department data analyzed by Good Jobs Nation, a union-backed labor advocacy group. The previous five years saw an average of 87,500 jobs lost due to trade.

One reason Carrier kept its plant open instead of shifting all the production to Mexico was that its parent company, United Technologies, is a major government contractor and didn’t want to jeopardize that revenue stream. At the very least, it seemed, the Carrier deal showed Trump could use the presidency to bully companies into hiring American workers. But big federal contractors contributed 11 percent of the layoffs due to trade over the past year, compared to only 4 percent over the preceding five years.

“It’s extraordinarily frustrating,” Sen. Joe Donnelly, a Democrat from Indiana who has sought common ground with Trump on manufacturing, told HuffPost.

Donnelly and other Rust Belt Democrats have proposed legislation that would put companies that offshore jobs at a disadvantage in the federal procurement process. Donnelly spoke with the president about the proposal during several visits to the White House, including in September.

“I actually tried to get it included in the tax plan, and the president said, ‘I’m very supportive of that,’” Donnelly said. “But, nothing.”

Republicans have claimed their tax reform legislation would spur hiring in the U.S. by cutting corporate taxes and creating incentives for new capital investment. Companies themselves, however, have generally not indicated they’d use tax savings to hire more workers.
Steven Rosenthal, an expert with the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, has warned that international tax changes in the Republican plan could actually encourage firms to shift production overseas.

Though Trump didn’t rip up the North American Free Trade Agreement on the first day of his presidency, as he’d promised to do, a renegotiation of the deal is underway.

The Carrier deal itself prevented the plant from closing, but it didn’t stop the company from laying off about 500 of the 1,400 workers at the factory. The job losses were certified by the Labor Department as caused by foreign trade, making the workers eligible for Trade Adjustment Assistance, which is a special type of unemployment benefit.

Good Jobs Nation used the public Labor Department data on certified TAA cases to come up with its tally of trade-related layoffs over the years. Not every such job loss represents a job being shipped directly to another country; some result from cheaper imports, for example.
Quinton Franklin told HuffPost he’d worked for Carrier for 10 years before losing his job in July. After several months of unemployment, during which he got a more affordable home and car, Franklin said he got a new job in October overseeing cleaning services at a hospital.

Franklin said he was glad Trump intervened to stop Carrier from relocating the furnace plant to Mexico and that it was “surreal” when the president-elect actually visited the facility. Franklin didn’t support Trump’s campaign at the time, though, and is now basically just disappointed.

“I feel like the whole campaign was just a lie,” he said. “He based his whole campaign off of saving jobs and stuff being made in America.”

https://qz.com/1144201/under-trump-us-jobs-are-moving-overseas-even-faster-than-before/

Quote:Under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before

“We’re just shipping company after company after company is leaving this country and leaving jobs behind,” president Donald Trump said on the campaign trail last year. “And I’m going to get it stopped.”



So far, not so good. A group that advocates for federal workers says government records show (pdf) more than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors have been sent over overseas since Trump was elected. That’s more than double the average annual amount during Barack Obama’s presidency. The organization, Good Jobs Nation, funded by unions and faith groups, wants the White House to hold these contractors accountable.


All told, in the year since Trump was elected, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition, slightly higher than the average of about 87,000 in the preceding five years. But federal contractors made up 10% of that number, rather than the previous average of 4%. That suggests companies that work for the government like General Motors, Boeing and United Technologies aren’t worried about political repercussions from the man in the White House.

https://actionnetwork.org/user_files/user_files/000/019/433/original/GOOD_JOBS_NATION_Trump's_First_Year_-_Outsourcing_by_Federal_Contractors_Worsens.pdf

[BmorePat87]

(01-04-2018, 10:09 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm just glancing at this, but the graph doesn't exactly show the Obama years to have significantly less domestic manufacturing activity than now.  In fact, the uptick from 08-09 looks to be the most significant increase by far.

wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017?

[GMDino]

(01-04-2018, 09:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Meanwhile, in the cutting of regulations, the number of coal mining deaths nearly doubled in 2017.

Also, what were the actual jobs gained? The article doesn't discuss that. Did manufacturing jobs actually increase?

I guess that's how Trump is creating more mining jobs?  



























Yes I do have sympathy for the victims...this was a joke. <--- in before the more sensitive amung us start up.

[Belsnickel]

(01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017?

This is one of the fascinating things to me, the perception of the economy. People's perception of the economy is entirely subjective based on whether they agree with who is in power, and primarily based on the executive. The economy has steadily been improving since the recession, yet folks on the right talk as if that has not been the case. Immediately upon Trump's election and then inauguration, the roles reversed and folks on the right perceived a better economy than those on the left. There was no real substantive change, yet the perception is far different from reality.

[GMDino]

(01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017?

Not growing fast enough!!!

We have to inflate it quicker!

Kind of like a giant balloon....that will never pop.  

[Dill]

(01-04-2018, 10:53 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is one of the fascinating things to me, the perception of the economy. People's perception of the economy is entirely subjective based on whether they agree with who is in power, and primarily based on the executive. The economy has steadily been improving since the recession, yet folks on the right talk as if that has not been the case. Immediately upon Trump's election and then inauguration, the roles reversed and folks on the right perceived a better economy than those on the left. There was no real substantive change, yet the perception is far different from reality.

I wouldn't say "entirely subjective." No one was wrong to perceive the the recession and job losses of 2008-09. And "the left" was not wrong to recognize how the US crawled out of that hole in subsequent years. 

Seems to me that "the left's" perception of the economy has always hewn closely to stastics and other corroborating evidence, not whether Clinton or Obama was in power. It continues to do so.

The right's perception rests largely upon how their news sources frame and dramatize the stats, and whether Clinton and Obama were in power. E.g., during the long climb out of recession, Obama was continually cast as the worst president ever. Commentators introduced new criteria for evaluating unemployment. That continues as well.

The only "role reversal" I see is that rightists now say we have the best president ever and credit the rise in employment and manufacture which continued into his first year in office as wholly his creation.

[Griever]

is this actually because of him, or is it along the lines of him taking credit for no airline deaths

[Belsnickel]

(01-04-2018, 01:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I wouldn't say "entirely subjective." No one was wrong to perceive the the recession and job losses of 2008-09. And "the left" was not wrong to recognize how the US crawled out of that hole in subsequent years. 

Seems to me that "the left's" perception of the economy has always hewn closely to stastics and other corroborating evidence, not whether Clinton or Obama was in power. It continues to do so.

The right's perception rests largely upon how their news sources frame and dramatize the stats, and whether Clinton and Obama were in power. E.g., during the long climb out of recession, Obama was continually cast as the worst president ever. Commentators introduced new criteria for evaluating unemployment. That continues as well.

The only "role reversal" I see is that rightists now say we have the best president ever and credit the rise in employment and manufacture which continued into his first year in office as wholly his creation.

You may see it this way, but I can say that folks who are more partisan on the left do indeed have a subjective view of the economy based upon their side being in office. It isn't something only the right engages in.

[JustWinBaby]

(01-04-2018, 10:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: wait, you mean the economy has been steadily growing since the recession and that it wasn't a dumpster fire until January 2017?

Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline.

There's been a clear and significant increase since Hillary lost (and, yes, I intentionally chose not to type "since Trump won").

I mean, I guess I have kind of seen it all now.  As part of the continued white-washing and propping-up of Obama's economic record, we're just going to ignore and lie about the economic activity since the progressive socialist agenda got voted out in 2016?

[GMDino]

(01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline.

There's been a clear and significant increase since Hillary lost (and, yes, I intentionally chose not to type "since Trump won").

I mean, I guess I have kind of seen it all now.  As part of the continued white-washing and propping-up of Obama's economic record, we're just going to ignore and lie about the economic activity since the progressive socialist agenda got voted out in 2016?

More jobs left the country under Trump than the average of the previous eight years.

[Belsnickel]

(01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline.

There's been a clear and significant increase since Hillary lost (and, yes, I intentionally chose not to type "since Trump won").

I mean, I guess I have kind of seen it all now.  As part of the continued white-washing and propping-up of Obama's economic record, we're just going to ignore and lie about the economic activity since the progressive socialist agenda got voted out in 2016?

Neoliberalism isn't progressive, and it is far from socialist. I'm not denying that there is a lot of white-washing that goes on, but let's not be hyperbolic to the point of being wrong.

On top of that, this isn't talking about jobs, but expansion of manufacturing. Is this an increase in productivity? What is the correlation to jobs created? What is the number of net jobs created in the US when jobs cut and/or moved outside of the US are taken into consideration? That information has not been provided.

[BmorePat87]

(01-04-2018, 02:55 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Look at the trend - sure, manufacturing jobs rebounded sharply after the end of the recession (as they tend to do), but then continued on a pretty steady downward decline.

There's been a clear and significant increase since Hillary lost (and, yes, I intentionally chose not to type "since Trump won").

I mean, I guess I have kind of seen it all now.  As part of the continued white-washing and propping-up of Obama's economic record, we're just going to ignore and lie about the economic activity since the progressive socialist agenda got voted out in 2016?

This article references production not jobs and even notes employment declined.