Posts: 12,996
Threads: 353
Reputation:
43191
Joined: May 2015
Mood: None
Since folks brought up Hillary...
Ezra KleinVerified account @ezraklein · 16h16 hours ago
"Lock her up" chants about Hillary Clinton at a Trump rally on the day Trump's campaign manager and personal lawyer get jail time is really GOP politics right now in a nutshell.
![[Image: 4CV0TeR.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4CV0TeR.png)
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous
"Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
Posts: 28,126
Threads: 40
Reputation:
122284
Joined: May 2015
Location: Parts Unknown, PA
Mood:
(08-22-2018, 12:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You forgot Dan Rostenkowski.
I sure did.
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 11:47 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I agree introducing Hillary into the discuss is simple deflection and trying to paint a two wrongs make a right scenario. I've said as much. I just found "she didn't do anything" to be 2funny 2avoid.
Oh, I wasn't singling you out. In fact, I think most of the references in this thread have been by people we tend to think of as left-leaning. 
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 12:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You forgot Dan Rostenkowski.
Everyone seems to forget him.
I just forgot him even after I wrote that. 
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 12:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: At least the Cliton's being dirty keeps neo-cons from having to dust of "the Kennedys" when they want to defend Trump.
Remember when the Vince Foster, Paula Jones and Monica Lewinski news came out... the press were like the coolest people around. 
Posts: 28,126
Threads: 40
Reputation:
122284
Joined: May 2015
Location: Parts Unknown, PA
Mood:
(08-22-2018, 12:21 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Remember when the Vince Foster, Paula Jones and Monica Lewinski news came out... the press were like the coolest people around.
If only Slick Willie had thought of calling the news "fake" he would have maintained his sterling reputation.
Posts: 5,309
Threads: 62
Reputation:
23651
Joined: May 2015
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 10:46 AM)GMDino Wrote:
How can one plead guilty to something which isn't a crime?
Should I do that some times too? Go to the police and plead guilty to follow traffic regulations?
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 12:41 PM)hollodero Wrote: How can one plead guilty to something which isn't a crime?
Should I do that some times too? Go to the police and plead guilty to follow traffic regulations?
This is a first. You do have to prove a crime has occurred. Even if a person pleads guilty.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 12:21 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Remember when the Vince Foster, Paula Jones and Monica Lewinski news came out... the press were like the coolest people around.
Once Drudge embarrassed them.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 12:41 PM)hollodero Wrote: How can one plead guilty to something which isn't a crime?
Should I do that some times too? Go to the police and plead guilty to follow traffic regulations?
Imagine the whole justice systems' surprise when they discover they have convicted someone who confessed to doing something that wasn't even a crime.
I'll bet all the many thousands of judges have egg on their faces! 
They should know by now that campaign funds are there to be spent on whatever the candidate chooses!
Posts: 38,881
Threads: 1,711
Reputation:
55832
Joined: May 2015
Location: SW PA
Mood:
(08-22-2018, 01:01 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Once Drudge embarrassed them.
That was the one that made Drudge famous....and he lived off it for ever since then. 
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1kwsTjL8BNqlszNtnCE/giphy.gif)
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: This is a first. You do have to prove a crime has occurred. Even if a person pleads guilty.
This isn't someone making a confession. A plea means that the evidence is so overwhelming that the defense knows there will be a conviction. And that evidence would be evidence of a crime, BTW.
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: That was the one that made Drudge famous....and he lived off it for ever since then.
As would I. If someone wants to pay me millions to post any pro-lefty article I come across I will be happy to do it.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:08 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: This isn't someone making a confession. A plea means that the evidence is so overwhelming that the defense knows there will be a conviction. And that evidence would be evidence of a crime, BTW.
Hold it there. Your conservative slip is swing. Many many people in prison plead guilty to a crime they are innocent of because they were afraid they would get convicted anyway. Most people in prison probably.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:21 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Hold it there. Your conservative slip is swing. Many many people in prison plead guilty to a crime they are innocent of because they were afraid they would get convicted anyway. Most people in prison probably.
Are you claiming that Cohen was innocent?
That would mean that there actually was a crime that occurred that he was accused of.
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:34 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Are you claiming that Cohen was innocent?
That would mean that there actually was a crime that occurred that he was accused of.
So technically he's not innocent of these non-crimes, but he is innocent of all crimes.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So technically he's not innocent of these non-crimes, but he is innocent of all crimes.
Campaign funding misappropriation is a crime. It is not a "non-crime", as some tweeters would have you believe.
He is going to jail because a crime was committed and he admitted doing it. If you claim he is innocent, who knows? But right now, you are the only person I've seen claim that.
Posts: 20,124
Threads: 160
Reputation:
54579
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cincinnati
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:47 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Campaign funding misappropriation is a crime. It is not a "non-crime", as some tweeters would have you believe.
He is going to jail because a crime was committed and he admitted doing it. If you claim he is innocent, who knows? But right now, you are the only person I've seen claim that.
when did we stop joking?
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Posts: 6,759
Threads: 104
Reputation:
31084
Joined: May 2015
Location: Cinci Burbs
Mood: None
One analysis I was listening to earlier was even though Cohen pleaded guilty, the trick here is finding proof that the money paid was solely not to hurt the campaign ie. hiding it from the voters, instead of being paid off to hide his affairs from his wife and children.
I dont see how the payments made were not done for the campaign myself, but from a legal pov, doesnt there have to be proof of that for this to be some real ammo against Trump? I dont know, just throwing it out there though to see.
“Don't give up. Don't ever give up.” - Jimmy V
Posts: 10,179
Threads: 221
Reputation:
66233
Joined: May 2015
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Mood: None
(08-22-2018, 01:54 PM)michaelsean Wrote: when did we stop joking?
We were joking?!?!
Oh crap! I did it again, didn't I!!!
|
![[Image: 416686247_404249095282684_84217049823664...e=659A7198]](https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/416686247_404249095282684_8421704982366424390_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=p8hMrwwk1IoAX8mnFLJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBXs4gKHr4knFejO874dfV3zzLd_bq4GiUqHxGWFlwbug&oe=659A7198)
