Michael Cohen plea

[*Nately120*]

(08-21-2018, 11:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not proposing, just pointing out that defense would instantly negates the campaign finance violation allegations.  As someone's lawyer, you'll take them admitting to something immoral over something criminal any day.  Just ask Fred.

Oh I agree with you.  Trump can just say "This one time, just this one time I figured I'd give a crap about whichever woman I was married to when I did this, and I wrote a big ass check in order to keep her from finding out.  Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late to unapologetically barge into a dressing room full of teen girls.  Trump away!"

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Honestly, I feel like the proof that Trump has become a politician is that he is still married to Melania after cheating on her when he could just get a divorce and move on to younger pastures, as is his established MO.

[Vlad]

(08-21-2018, 11:04 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: You know what they say. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... Where is the collusion?

So am i getting this right? The collusion which has aleady been admitted to, of course after being lied about. Which was all broadcast on TV. Doesnt count. And being guilty of anything other than collusion doesnt count either.

No I don't think you're getting it right. Collusion admitted by who? Who lied about it?

[Vlad]

(08-21-2018, 08:30 PM)Benton Wrote: Mostly agree, but he should still be impeached regardless over breaking the law.

He won’t be, as partisan as things are. But he should be.

So it took over a year to find something on Trump.

Just think if Hillary won.
There would be no calls for impeachment for abusing her powerful office of secretary of state in order to enrich her own private foundation. No email scandal investigation, uranium one....
 
There were calls to impeach Trump before he even took the oath.

They want to impeach Trump for the audacity of winning.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-21-2018, 11:32 PM)Vlad Wrote: No I don't think you're getting it right. Collusion admitted by who? Who lied about it?

Nevermind im sorry. I was thinking of the time the russian spy who is sitting in jail who was planted in the audience to ask Trump a question and the time trump standing behind a podium broadcast to the world asked for russia to hack his political opponent. I had that mixed up with the russian adoption super secret meeting thing at that tower some famous conman owns. Shit man. This truth isnt truth stuff is tricky

[Benton]

(08-21-2018, 09:06 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL I was joking, Benton.  Trump supporters seem so focused on hard evidence of collusion while Trump is sleazing the White House with his outrageous sexual escapades and "fixers" not to mention using presidential powers to harm critics and obstruct an investigation into the most dramatic attack on US elections by a foreign power.  Amazing how we totally forget the disastrous Putin summit because of all the crap thrown up since then. He has surrounded himself with similar people so it's been a circus from day one. What unprecedented scandal will we be talking about next month? Maybe Omarosa is saving the best for last.

But still 40% approval.

Ah, no harm. I took it literal.

Personally, I don't think a siting president should be eligible to be charged with a crime. Too easy for the judicial branch to just gain an imbalance. I think the articles of impeachment are solid enough that you can impeach and, if warranted, try for any illegal behavior.

In this instance, its possible Trump was engaged in illegal behavior, but it's definite he engaged in impeachable behavior.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-21-2018, 11:54 PM)Vlad Wrote: So it took over a year to find something on Trump.

Just think if Hillary won.
There would be no calls for impeachment for abusing her powerful office of secretary of state in order to enrich her own private foundation. No email scandal investigation, uranium one....
 
There were calls to impeach Trump before he even took the oath.

They want to impeach Trump for the audacity of winning.

Do you honestly think an administration full of conmen and crooks is good for the country?(and pretend hillary is a word you dont know if you answer, she wont automatically be inserted as prez if we bring back moral standards and impeach)

And lolz. The lock her up party crying about criminals being held accountable. Ha

[Benton]

Whats the over/under that before the end of the week, Trump Tweets out something along the lines of: "What gives? Everyone else pays off their whores with tax free money? WITCH HUNT!"

[Vlad]

(08-21-2018, 11:21 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Oh I agree with you.  Trump can just say "This one time, just this one time I figured I'd give a crap about whichever woman I was married to when I did this, and I wrote a big ass check in order to keep her from finding out.  Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late to unapologetically barge into a dressing room full of teen girls.  Trump away!"

END SCENE

Honestly, I feel like the proof that Trump has become a politician is that he is still married to Melania after cheating on her when he could just get a divorce and move on to younger pastures, as is his established MO.

Lol...you must have had a special dislike for Bill Clinton.

Poor Hillary was the most cheated on woman in America!

That asshat paid Paula Jones $850,000 to settle a sexual harassment case.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-22-2018, 12:14 AM)Benton Wrote: Whats the over/under that before the end of the week, Trump Tweets out something along the lines of: "What gives? Everyone else pays off their whores with tax free money? WITCH HUNT!"

Thats not in the playbook. The poor girl who was murdered will be used to score points with the racist faux news zombies the rest of the week.

[Benton]

(08-21-2018, 11:54 PM)Vlad Wrote: So it took over a year to find something on Trump.

Just think if Hillary won.
There would be no calls for impeachment for abusing her powerful office of secretary of state in order to enrich her own private foundation. No email scandal investigation, uranium one....
 
There were calls to impeach Trump before he even took the oath.

They want to impeach Trump for the audacity of winning.

Except... Hillary didn't do anything.

Trump, allegedly, has. 

No matter how much the GOP and the NRA want to politicize Benghazi, and how much the alt right wants to shriek about servers, Clinton, according to multiple investigations, didn't do anything wrong. 

But even if she did, and I'm not a Hillary supporter, who looks more competent: the person who covered tracks of a military coverup, or the person who can't successfully pay off two prostitutes? 

[*bfine32*]

(08-22-2018, 12:18 AM)Vlad Wrote: Lol...you must have had a special dislike for Bill Clinton.

Poor Hillary was the most cheated on woman in America!

That asshat paid Paula Jones $850,000 to settle a sexual harassment case.

I'm usually with you Vlad, but I cannot go along with the 2 wrongs make a right thing. What Trump did was morally wrong at best, criminal at worst. Bill Clinton being a predator does not excuse it. 

(08-22-2018, 12:22 AM)Benton Wrote: Except... Hillary didn't do anything.

Insert as many laughs that will fit on this screen. 

[Vlad]

(08-21-2018, 08:01 PM)Dill Wrote: I heard they can be impeached, though, for high crimes and misdemeanors.  Paying of porn stars before an election and colluding with Russia may not count as either--until we get a Democratic house.

The House can vote to impeach, but it is the Senate that determines the fate of the president.

[Benton]

(08-22-2018, 12:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote:  

Insert as many laughs that will fit on this screen. 

Hoe many times has Clinton used campaign funds to pay off porn stars?

Er, how many.

Sorry.

[Vlad]

(08-22-2018, 12:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm usually with you Vlad, but I cannot go along with the 2 wrongs make a right thing. What Trump did was morally wrong at best, criminal at worst. Bill Clinton being a predator does not excuse it. 

What???

Read the post I was responding to, perhaps you'll understand what my point was..... to merely suggest he must of had a greater disgust for Clinton because Trumps known sexcapades pails in comparison to what Clinton had done.

How the hell did you get "two wrongs make a right" out of that.?

[Benton]

(08-22-2018, 01:04 AM)Vlad Wrote: What???

Read the post I was responding to, perhaps you'll understand what my point was..... to merely suggest he must of had a greater disgust for Clinton because Trumps known sexcapades pails in comparison to what Clinton had done.

How the hell did you get "two wrongs make a right" out of that.?

Wait... which Clinton?

Are you comparing using campaign funds to pay off prostitutes to getting an intern bj? Or are you comparing using campaign funds to pat off prostitutes to doing your job as SoS?

I'm getting lost in which Clinton the alt right is railing against with the latest round of 'Trumps behaving badly'.

[Vlad]

(08-22-2018, 12:22 AM)Benton Wrote: Except... Hillary didn't do anything.

Trump, allegedly, has. 

How do you know Hillary hasn't done anything?
There never was a special council set up to investigate all the glaring evidence that there was wrongdoing.

How do you know Trump has?
Where's all the glaring evidence that he colluded with the Russians in an attempt to sway the election?

There was none, yet a bogus special council was formed.... to look for a crime...which is not the job of a prosecutor.
And after a year Mueller is still looking.


The audacity of Trump winning the election.

[Benton]

(08-22-2018, 01:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: How do you know Hillary hasn't done anything?
There never was a special council set up to investigate all the glaring evidence that there was wrongdoing.

How do you know Trump has?
Where's all the glaring evidence that he colluded with the Russians in an attempt to sway the election?

There was none, yet a bogus special council was formed.... to look for a crime...which is not the job of a prosecutor.
And after a year Mueller is still looking.


The audacity of Trump winning the election.

This is t about collusion. It’s about abusing campaign funds.

As far as glaring evidence, there’s been none about Clinton despite hours of testimony.

[ballsofsteel]

As we all know by now, trump is a habitual liar. He had Cohen pay off those hoes using campaign money, right before the election, so voters wouldn't find out that he cheated on his wife numerous times. Some here say that everyone knew Trump was like this and it wouldn't of mattered but is this true? It was all she said/he said until the truth came out. It wouldn't of mattered to his base no doubt, but how about the million of voters who were on the fence, who knew trump was a load but didn't want Clinton? The old lesser of two evils vote. Did this deceit effect the election? I got to believe it did.

[Bengalzona]

The problem for the Administration that I am seeing here is not so much that they were trying to cover up the affairs. Lord knows, the American people have an exceedingly high tolerance for that from a male politician (cough, cough, Clinton). Rather, the problem is that campaign funds were used for this purpose. That is proven fact. And I am seeing reports which say that Cohen claims he was instructed to do this by "the candidate".

In America, we pat our male politicians on the back for their hetero-sexual sexploits while condemning them for misappropriation of campaign funds. That is America 2018.

In my personal opinion, if you are still fuming over the Clinton sexploits of the '90's (like me), you should be consistent and be angry over the current exploits.

BTW - Isn't soliciting prostitutes illegal in this country outside of some backwoods place in Nevada?

[Belsnickel]

(08-21-2018, 10:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The wouldn't a very easy defense against this accusation be that I paid her off so my wife didn't find out about it?

I would say it would be a defense, but not an easy one. The affairs were not unknown prior to these payoffs. In fact, Stormy Daniels had spoken about it to a publication several years ago. The payoffs were to keep these women from going public during the campaign. That would take some fancy big-city lawyering to create reasonable doubt enough for a jury, I believe.