New York Legalizes Abortion Until Day Of Birth

[BFritz21]

Pro-Choice people still think it's ok because it's "her body"?

The baby can obviously live on its own and likely could have been delivered already, but it's ok to murder it?

It's obviously not just a glob of cells anymore, which I've seen some on here say, but is it still ok because it's her choice?

See, it's a slippery slope when you say it's ok at one point and not another.

A sad and evil day:

Quote:New York legislators cheered and applauded Tuesday night after the state Senate removed restrictions on late-term abortions, allowing unborn babies to be aborted on the day of birth.

The Reproductive Health Act passed with a 38-28 vote and was signed into law by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D).

"Today we are taking a giant step forward in the hard-fought battle to ensure a woman's right to make her own decisions about her own personal health, including the ability to access an abortion," Gov. Cuomo said.

The law erases New York's previous limitations on abortion which restricted the fatal procedure past 24 weeks.

The Reproductive Health Act states, "every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion."

The law also removes abortion from the definition of homicide and New York's criminal code altogether. Previously, New York law treated the murder of an unborn child in its the third trimester as a felony offense punishable by up to seven years in prison.

The Reproductive Health Act changes that. Instead, abortion will be regulated under public health law and a variety of medical professionals, not just licensed physicians, will be allowed to perform abortions without penalty.

"Opponents say this limits prosecutors when they look to charge individuals who harm a woman's unborn child in a domestic violence case or otherwise. Supporters say, in such cases, there remain plenty of other, much harsher criminal charges at prosecutors' disposal," reports the Times Union.

New York Republicans and conservatives fought against the law but the measure sailed through the state Senate after Democrats won a majority in the Senate last November.

Advocates say the new law will protect abortion even if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.

"With the signing of this bill, we are sending a clear message that whatever happens in Washington, women in New York will always have the fundamental right to control their own body," Cuomo said.

Pro-life activists are horrified by the legislation.

"New York Senate cheers today for legalization of killing a baby old enough to born - poisoning a 6 month old to death in the womb & delivering her in pieces. This is the legacy of #Roe. It's time to end this barbarism," said Lila Rose, founder and president of Live Action.

Outspoken Christian and New Orleans Saints tight end Ben Watson also strongly condemned the law.

"It is a sad and evil day when the murder of our most innocent and vulnerable is celebrated with such overwhelming exuberance. We SHOULD be supporting and encouraging the building of families which are fundamental to any society. By not doing so, we invite consequences untold," he tweeted shortly after the law was passed.

Absolutely horrible.

[*bfine32*]

This cannot be factual.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(01-23-2019, 11:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This cannot be factual.

The wording is troubling, no doubt.

A woman can now get an abortion in New York after 24 weeks if the woman's life or "Health" is in danger. So, essentially a woman can get an abortion up until birth if she says, "I'm depressed".

[GMDino]

(01-24-2019, 12:17 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: The wording is troubling, no doubt.

A woman can now get an abortion in New York after 24 weeks if the woman's life or "Health" is in danger. So, essentially a woman can get an abortion up until birth if she says, "I'm depressed".

No.

That is not her life being in danger.

[*bfine32*]

(01-24-2019, 12:17 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: The wording is troubling, no doubt.

A woman can now get an abortion in New York after 24 weeks if the woman's life or "Health" is in danger. So, essentially a woman can get an abortion up until birth if she says, "I'm depressed".

(01-24-2019, 12:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: No.

That is not her life being in danger.

As much as I abhor the act of abortion; I support giving the woman the choice if her physical health (especially "life being in danger") is an issue. If it's extended to mental health or simply because of choice then obviously I find it to be absurd. 

[Benton]

(01-24-2019, 12:40 AM)bfine32 Wrote: As much as I abhor the act of abortion; I support giving the woman the choice if her physical health (especially "life being in danger") is an issue. If it's extended to mental health or simply because of choice then obviously I find it to be absurd. 

That's pretty much my thoughts. I haven't heard this bill extends to depression, but if so, that's not a good thing.

[BFritz21]

I still see some people arguing that it's the woman's choice because it's her body, which is bullshit because, it might be in her body, but it's a fully developed baby now that can live outside the womb.

I'd love to hear the people that defend abortion because it's just "destroying a fetus" defend this one.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(01-24-2019, 12:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: No.

That is not her life being in danger.

The bill states to protect the Patients life or health.

It says nothing about physical health, just health. This can be interpreted as mental, physical, emotional...whatever.

This law should be challenged and made to clarify what it means by "Health".

[Benton]

(01-24-2019, 02:32 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: The bill states to protect the Patients life or health.

It says nothing about physical health, just health. This can be interpreted as mental, physical, emotional...whatever.

This law should be challenged and made to clarify what it means by "Health".

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/s2796

Probably something that will be challenged. Although, I don't know much about NY law. Could be their courts already interpret "health" as something physical. No idea.

[Belsnickel]

FWIW, here is a link to the NYCLU's page on this legislation: https://www.nyclu.org/en/legislation/reproductive-health-act

[GMDino]

If I find the article I read a few days ago I will post it but this is something that has been changing in NY for 80 years.  I guess there was a law on the books that made abortions legal for any reason at any time (from the 1800s?) and they have altered many times since then.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2019, 10:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: If I find the article I read a few days ago I will post it but this is something that has been changing in NY for 80 years.  I guess there was a law on the books that made abortions legal for any reason at any time (from the 1800s?) and they have altered many times since then.

Here she be:

https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/22/long-stalled-abortion-bill-passes-new-york-legislature/?fbclid=IwAR2FRGvKsYOw2wLtkuJdrTlbyOAUYact8Vn_zPrz9c5sRCoWgq139_q61_Y

Quote:A generations’ old fight plays out


In his State of the State in 1970, then-Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, a Republican, called the state’s abortion laws “archaic." Still on the books was an 1830 statute that permitted abortions – at any time during a pregnancy – if the mother’s life was in danger.


“I urge your humble bodies to resolve the differences of the past and to give favorable action to much-needed legislation on abortions reforms," Rockefeller told lawmakers.


Later that session, New York made national headlines and joined a movement by a handful of other states in making abortion legal. Three years later, the Supreme Court OK'd abortion.



Last week, Cuomo proposed taking the Reproductive Health Act a step further: putting abortion protections into the state constitution. “Let’s write the rights of Roe v. Wade into the state constitution so it can never be changed. No matter what happens politically," Cuomo said in his State of the State speech.

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[BFritz21]

(01-24-2019, 03:36 AM)Benton Wrote: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/s2796

Probably something that will be challenged. Although, I don't know much about NY law. Could be their courts already interpret "health" as something physical. No idea.

Just heard on the radio that it can be anything, mental or physical.

Like I keep saying, it’s a slippery slope.

[*Nately120*]

I haven't looked into this, but my grad school roommate's wife who is a NY lawyer type posted this.  Maybe it clears things up, probably not.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2019, 11:20 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Just heard on the radio that it can be anything, mental or physical.

Like I keep saying, it’s a slippery slope.

I heard it can't be "anything".  So I guess we're at a stalemate.  

[*Nately120*]

(01-24-2019, 11:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: I heard it can't be "anything".  So I guess we're at a stalemate.  

Well, ol' Bfritz21 was pretty upset about people spreading fake news in that situation with the smirking teen and the drumming native dude, so I'm sure he made certain he had the full story on this before he starting going ape.

[Belsnickel]

(01-24-2019, 11:20 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Just heard on the radio that it can be anything, mental or physical.

Like I keep saying, it’s a slippery slope.

Did Rush tell you that?

[BmorePat87]

Makes sense. It's written to ensure that a woman can get an abortion to save her life if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade.

You wouldn't "abort" a full term baby, you'd induce labor, right? I don't see why anyone would be concerned about people killing full term babies on a whim.

[BFritz21]

(01-24-2019, 11:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: I heard it can't be "anything".  So I guess we're at a stalemate.  

Where'd you hear that?

Actually, though, I also just found found this article:

Quote:Jacobs said New York’s longtime statute permitting legal abortions until the 24th week of a pregnancy is already among the longest in the world, and that the new provision allowing later term abortions for also the “health” of the mother can be interpreted as mental or emotional conditions.

So what do you have?  

Thanks for calling me like I was bluffing because it actually required me to go find it in print 

(01-24-2019, 11:52 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Well, ol' Bfritz21 was pretty upset about people spreading fake news in that situation with the smirking teen and the drumming native dude, so I'm sure he made certain he had the full story on this before he starting going ape.

When did I go "ape"?

Empty rhetoric weakens your argument to anyone that's paying attention.

As you'll see above, I just provided a link.  

(01-24-2019, 01:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Did Rush tell you that?

Nope.  It was on a big news station.  As you'll see above, though, I found where it's true.

[*bfine32*]

Sadly it makes it hard to make an informed judgement by reading this thread.From the limited research I did it was already legal for a woman in NY to have a late-term abortion if her life were in jeopardy. This new law extends it to "health". Seems they passed the Law to give themselves a little more flexibility as to what "health" entails.