"No Tax on Tips" Vote Trump

[Mike M (the other one)]

(06-17-2024, 05:37 PM)pally Wrote: excuse me but the Republicans control the House of Representatives...and the House must initiate all tax bills...Call Mike Johnson and his merry gang of incompetents.  I'm sure they would be happy to take a break from their internal bickering to do their supposed jobs

Why? from what I've been reading they might own the Senate soon

[Mike M (the other one)]

(06-17-2024, 11:39 AM)pally Wrote: He made a pandering promise to a service union base that he has no intention toward for follow through on.  
It’s a ridiculous proposal that harms low wage non tipped employees.  Tax the minimum wage dishwasher and give tax free money to servers who with tips make a lot more money


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Or he can lower taxes and everyone benefits? No? 

[CJD]

Sounds like one of those classic Trump promises that is always 2 weeks away, but he just never does.

I'm not opposed to it though.

I often tip my servers in cash because I know it's taxed. If it's via credit card, it's logged automatically, but with cash, it at least gives the server an opportunity to not be taxed on it.

[Luvnit2]

(06-17-2024, 06:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Or he can lower taxes and everyone benefits? No? 

Voters have a clear choice, Choose Biden and have federal taxes raised for lower and middle class. Elect Trump and he keeps the Trump tax cuts and does more to cut taxes for the lower and middle class.

I want to see Biden debate Trump on this question. if CNN has an ounce of fairness, they will ask both of them their stance on taxes and let them debate it on TV.

[Luvnit2]

(06-17-2024, 06:31 PM)CJD Wrote: Sounds like one of those classic Trump promises that is always 2 weeks away, but he just never does.

I'm not opposed to it though.

I often tip my servers in cash because I know it's taxed. If it's via credit card, it's logged automatically, but with cash, it at least gives the server an opportunity to not be taxed on it.

Did Trump deliver on his 2016 campaign promise to lower taxes on the lower and middle class?

In fact, I watched Trump attempt to follow through with every campaign promise. Please list which campaign promises Trump ignored after he won in 2016.

[CJD]

(06-17-2024, 06:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Did Trump deliver on his 2016 campaign promise to lower taxes on the lower and middle class?

In fact, I watched Trump attempt to follow through with every campaign promise. Please list which campaign promises Trump ignored after he won in 2016.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/list/?promise_group=trumpometer&ruling=promise-broken

But I was referring to how he loved talking about something being just on the horizon, maybe 2 weeks, and  then just never mentioning it again. I
googled it and apparently Abby Phillip made a compilation, of him saying it a bunch, but I didn't need her to do that for me to remember it from his presidency. If you watched him talk, he did it a ton. The one that stuck out in my memory the most was the healthcare plan that he wanted to replace Obamacare with.

He almost passed a bill that would have basically ended Obamacare, but he never actually proposed anything to replace it. It was always two weeks away.

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-17-2024, 06:31 PM)CJD Wrote: Sounds like one of those classic Trump promises that is always 2 weeks away, but he just never does.

I'm not opposed to it though.

I often tip my servers in cash because I know it's taxed. If it's via credit card, it's logged automatically, but with cash, it at least gives the server an opportunity to not be taxed on it.

One of my friends who was a bartender told me that years back. They prefer tips in cash. So thats what I always try to do.

I imagine a large portion of tips go untaxed already because people are “smart” (aka lying to dodge taxes).

The rise in electronic transactions has probably put a major dent in that though.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(06-17-2024, 07:42 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: One of my friends who was a bartender told me that years back. They prefer tips in cash. So thats what I always try to do.

I imagine a large portion of tips go untaxed already because people are “smart” (aka lying to dodge taxes).

The rise in electronic transactions has probably put a major dent in that though.

OMG! No Way, and here you teaching us that only the rich dodge their taxes. 

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-17-2024, 07:45 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: OMG! No Way, and here you teaching us that only the rich dodge their taxes. 

I did?

Well I’ll tell you what. They can get anybody now. So you better be careful. Next time you cheat on our pregnant 3rd wife with a pornstar and then hide tens of thousands of dollars of the hush money through various falsified business transactions. Watch out. They might be looking. Then all of a sudden they will act like there are laws about fraud and committing crimes to help your campaign. Slippery slope for sure.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(06-17-2024, 07:42 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: One of my friends who was a bartender told me that years back. They prefer tips in cash. So thats what I always try to do.

I imagine a large portion of tips go untaxed already because people are “smart” (aka lying to dodge taxes).

The rise in electronic transactions has probably put a major dent in that though.

But the rich do it because they are smart...

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-17-2024, 08:16 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: But the rich do it because they are smart...

Some of them.
Some of them not so much.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-tax-rep-acknowledged-much-lower-value-for-maralago-104481579?id=103642561

He’s not a rich guy. He was rich because he was a fraud (and nepo baby). I like people who are not frauds.

"He's not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

[*pally*]

(06-17-2024, 06:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Did Trump deliver on his 2016 campaign promise to lower taxes on the lower and middle class?

In fact, I watched Trump attempt to follow through with every campaign promise. Please list which campaign promises Trump ignored after he won in 2016.

He failed on most f those promises. He gave up when it was hard. Even those tax cus for the middle class were written to expire at the end of his supposed 8 years. So I guess he lowered them temporarily just some of his other failed promises or I guess, to borrow your definition of unkept promise…His LIES

Mexico didn’t pay for a wall nor did he complete it
He didn’t “lock her up”
Didn’t repeal ACA
Didn’t provide a “bigger better less expensive healthcare program (still waiting for this one…he’s promising it again)
Didn’t propose infrastructure
Didn’t reform immigration
Didn’t create 25 million jobs, cut budget with his extraordinary negotiating skills, and didn’t eliminate the national debt
Didn’t “drain the swamp” in fact he added considerably to the swampy stench
Failed to hire the “best and brightest”
He wasn’t too busy” to never play golf in fact went golfing his first
weekend as president
Failed to stop former White House officials from becoming lobbyists or financially benefiting
Failed to end or even reduce violent crime. In fact it hit its highest levels in decades under Trump. It has gone down every year under Biden
Didn’t separate his family and business from the White House
He didn’t receive 95%of the African American vote in 2020

[Luvnit2]

(06-17-2024, 06:45 PM)CJD Wrote: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/list/?promise_group=trumpometer&ruling=promise-broken

But I was referring to how he loved talking about something being just on the horizon, maybe 2 weeks, and  then just never mentioning it again. I
googled it and apparently Abby Phillip made a compilation, of him saying it a bunch, but I didn't need her to do that for me to remember it from his presidency. If you watched him talk, he did it a ton. The one that stuck out in my memory the most was the healthcare plan that he wanted to replace Obamacare with.

He almost passed a bill that would have basically ended Obamacare, but he never actually proposed anything to replace it. It was always two weeks away.

Poltico is a partisan rag. How about a real news source?

I will help you on his huge promise.


TRUMP SIAD HE WOULD LOWER TAXES FOR LOWER AND MIDDLE INCOME VOTERS. 

[Luvnit2]

(06-18-2024, 08:38 AM)pally Wrote: He failed on most f those promises.  He gave up when it was hard. Even those tax cus for the middle class were written to expire at the end of his supposed 8 years.  So I guess he lowered them temporarily just some of his other failed promises or I guess, to borrow your definition of unkept promise…His LIES

Mexico didn’t pay for a wall nor did he complete it
He didn’t “lock her up”
Didn’t repeal ACA
Didn’t provide a “bigger better less expensive healthcare program (still waiting for this one…he’s promising it again)
Didn’t propose infrastructure
Didn’t reform immigration
Didn’t create 25 million jobs, cut budget with his extraordinary negotiating skills, and didn’t eliminate the national debt
Didn’t “drain the swamp” in fact he added considerably to the swampy stench
Failed to hire the “best and brightest”
He wasn’t too busy” to never play golf in fact went golfing his first
weekend as president
Failed to stop former White House  officials from becoming lobbyists or financially benefiting
Failed to end or even reduce violent crime.  In fact it hit its highest levels in decades under Trump.  It has gone down every year under Biden
Didn’t separate his family and business from the White House
He didn’t receive 95%of the African American vote in 2020

A lot of propanda and left talking points, but no documentation proving he campaigned on it and did not make an attempt as I said to honor his campaign promises.

Here are his hige accomplishments:

Economy and Inflation
1. Best economy in history of our country during 1st 3 years, only a Pandemic slowed his economy down.
2. Year over year inflation of a little of 5% in 4 years. In contrast, Bidenomics produced around 20% in 3.5 years.
3. Best wage growth for minorities in history (all while keeping inflation down.
4. Wage growth outpaced inflation during Trump. Bidenomics is under water with wage growth.

Trump promised to reduce taxes for the lower and middle class. He did and in fact his tax cuts are still intact until 2025.

He promised to add conservative constitutional Supreme Court Justices. He added 2.

He promised to build a wall and make illegal immigration a priority.
1. He attempted to build a wall but was cut off by a liberal Congress in 2019.
2. He made Mexico pay for the portions he secured and new wall through tariffs.
3. He created catch and send illegal immigrants back to Mexico to await asylum. In contrast Biden has an open border and over 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US, many are rapists and killer or both. We are on high alert inside the US due to Biden and Democrats open border policy. It is a matter of time until we have a terrorist attack inside the US.
4. Trump has one of the lowest numbers of illegal immigrants enter our country in history.
5. Trump's goal was to decrease illegal immigration into the US, his tactics included the wall. He gets an A+ for his border policy as POTUS.

Infrasctruture
He proposed an infrastructure bill, but the Democrats controlled Congress and refused to work with him.

Time off or vacation

Biden has taken more time off than in POTUS in history.

Family Business and Family enrichment

Trump's organization reimbursed the US government for every dime spent by foreign dignitaries at all of his properties. Trump also refused a salary and donated it to charities. Trump's family members have and had legitimate businesses. They made a lot of money before Trump was President and a lot after he left office. Obama made a ton of money and so did his wife after he left office. The Clintons made a lot of money after they left office. George Bush was already rich and did not make a lot of money after he left office. Biden used influence peddling when he was the VP to enrich his family and himself. Yet, you shrug off the over 20 million and counting the Biden crime family made from foreign countries.

Biden hired Kamala; do you really want to disuss bad hires? Joe said Hunter is the smartest man I know. Really?

In the end, you and I will never agree on who was the better POTUS. I will always base my opinion based on results and never on emotion.

[CJD]

(06-18-2024, 12:57 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Poltico is a partisan rag. How about a real news source?

I will help you on his huge promise.


TRUMP SIAD HE WOULD LOWER TAXES FOR LOWER AND MIDDLE INCOME VOTERS. 

Every website I pitch to you will be thrown out as a partisan rag, so I'm not going to bother with that.

Also, Trump's tax cut was shit and I think you know that.

[CJD]

(06-18-2024, 01:25 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Economy and Inflation
1. Best economy in history of our country during 1st 3 years, only a Pandemic slowed his economy down.
2. Year over year inflation of a little of 5% in 4 years. In contrast, Bidenomics produced around 20% in 3.5 years.

Why does Trump get an exemption because of the Pandemic, but Biden doesn't?

[Luvnit2]

(06-18-2024, 02:40 PM)CJD Wrote: Every website I pitch to you will be thrown out as a partisan rag, so I'm not going to bother with that.

Also, Trump's tax cut was shit and I think you know that.

Explain why saving an average of $4000 per family per year ($32,000 over 8 years) was bad for the middle class.

[CJD]

(06-18-2024, 02:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Explain why saving an average of $4000 per family per year ($32,000 over 8 years) was bad for the middle class.

Quote:Failed to deliver promised economic benefits. Trump Administration officials claimed their centerpiece corporate tax rate cut would “very conservatively” lead to a $4,000 boost in household income.[5] New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw “no change in earnings” from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply.[6] Similarly, rigorous research concluded that the tax law’s 20 percent pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has largely failed to trickle down to workers in those companies who aren’t owners.[7] Like the Bush tax cuts before it,[8] the 2017 Trump tax cut was a trickle-down failure.

[Luvnit2]

(06-18-2024, 02:47 PM)CJD Wrote: Why does Trump get an exemption because of the Pandemic, but Biden doesn't?

Simple, Trump's last year in office inflation was less than 2%. Biden's first year in office it spiked to almost 8% due to his energy policies. Then in 2022, it was even worse. All of the inflation caused by Bidenomics created higher interest rates as Feds were forced to hike interest rates to curb Biden's inflation.

Look at one key energy fact. Bidenomics green emery policies caused the price of gasoline to raise 50%. As Carville says, it's the economy stupid and Bidenomics specific poor policy decisions were the cause, not a pandemic.

I hear liberals tout the job numbers but fail to mention Biden was going against a Pandemic of job losses. Fast forward to 2024, the jobs report shows an increase of part time and immigrant workers. In fact, more immigrant job creation than US citizen job creation under Biden. Biden is also under water with wage growth versus inflation. Simply, people make more money, but pay more taxes on net income and their dollar also does not go as far. An average family of 4 spends $11,000 more per year under Biden due to inflation and high interest rates.

[Luvnit2]

Research from who?

I could care less about corporate tax paid, get back to me when Hunter Biden's tax debt is repaid for the years of 2014 and 2015. It is a joke liberals tout the tax. the rich BS, then say they are going to let the tax cuts expire. How will letting the tax cuts expire results in them paying less in taxes in 2025?

It is very simple, Trump did save families with his tax cuts. Biden and liberals are saying stop those cuts.

At a time when the lower and middle class are hurting, Democrats want to raise taxes back to pre 2018 levels.