Opinion: DeSantis 2024?

[*Nately120*]

(12-16-2022, 02:18 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Now this will be interesting. The Trump era burns out only when he lets it, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I don't either.  Trump is likely to be the same person he's been his whole life until the day he dies, and even then there are going to be people who say he faked his death and he's still going to run for president in 2028, 2032 and so on.  TRUMP/JFK JR 2040.

If I'm DeSantis I assume Trump 2024 would be the last gasp for Trump whether he wins or not.  If DeSantis runs in 2024 he runs the risk of Trump running 3rd party, though he might do that in 2028 too for all we know. 

I could see the left and right both being willing to let Biden and Trump figuratively, and possibly literally expire in 2028 and then move on with new candidates.  If the right wants to get behind DeSantis in 2028 I don't see how him serving his full terms as governor are a strike against him, and the left has some intriguing swing-state-winning options who came to prominence during the 2022 midterms like Mark Kelly, Josh Shaprio, and Raphael Warnock.

I don't particular want 2024 to be Biden vs Trump part 2, but it might require Biden to hand off the baton and DeSantis to willingly engage in a needless fight with someone who can destroy him and I don't see either happening. 

[HarleyDog]

(12-16-2022, 02:26 PM)hollodero Wrote: Oh, just for technicalities. I don't know what it takes to vote in primaries really, if you need to be a party member which you might not be, or things like that. Or if your state even is relevant in that regard, since not every state is.

I'm not sure and will leave that to someone with more knowledge to answer. I've only voted in a primary once. I think you have to specify a certain party, but again not sure. 

[hollodero]

(12-16-2022, 01:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It'll be interesting to see how Trump handles the primaries when he's likely to go in way down in the polls.  I assume he will say the primaries are rigged and maybe even mention patriots using their 2nd amendment right to make sure the election is fair and that DeSantis supporters don't cheat too badly.

I can't help but see Trump and Kari Lake joining up and being the "if we don't win, it's rigged" ticket and just crapping in the political pool in 2024.  I could also see DeSantis hanging back and being the governor of Florida and just letting the Trump era burn itself out, rather than putting himself in the crosshairs.  What does it benefit DeSantis to run in 2024 and instantly turn the most insane fringe of his own political party against him?

Hard to say. Just the chance to become president possibly, in a year where the liberal candidate might be pretty weak.

But sure, as far as I can tell deSantis himself hasn't done much pro-actively until now. He does not oppose Trump, he doesn't hint at running or anything, maybe this is just a media thing. Aside from being ridiculously anti-woke and not being Trump I wouldn't even know what defines the man.

[hollodero]

(12-16-2022, 02:31 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I'm not sure and will leave that to someone with more knowledge to answer. I've only voted in a primary once. I think you have to specify a certain party, but again not sure. 

That's why I said if it's an option, it might not be one for you in the first place.

But just theoretically, would you consider voting against Trump or for someone else in a primary?

I'm of course aware that's none of my business, so please only respond if you want to.

[*Nately120*]

(12-16-2022, 02:31 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I'm not sure and will leave that to someone with more knowledge to answer. I've only voted in a primary once. I think you have to specify a certain party, but again not sure. 

I'm in PA and I've always been registered as independent or libertarian and that locks me out of primaries, as well as a number of ballot thingies.  Sorry for the high-brow jargon, there.

[*Nately120*]

(12-16-2022, 02:32 PM)hollodero Wrote: Hard to say. Just the chance to become president possibly, in a year where the liberal candidate might be pretty weak.

But sure, as far as I can tell deSantis himself hasn't done much pro-actively until now. He does not oppose Trump, he doesn't hint at running or anything, maybe this is just a media thing. Aside from being ridiculously anti-woke and not being Trump I wouldn't even know what defines the man.

Yes, Biden would be a good candidate for DeSantis to go after, but if Biden beats Trump in 2024 then DeSantis has an easy road to the white house, as the idea of this country electing a democrat after 8 years of a democrat president in addition to 16 of the past 20 years being Obama/Biden seems almost too insane to imagine.

I'll believe DeSantis is making a legit attempt at the WH when he backs off this culture war stuff and actually starts pandering to those outside his base, something Trump never did and something that cost Trump a second term.  DeSantis being anti-woke and being anti-vax after going on record promoting and encouraging vaccines isn't "national appeal" caliber politics.  He has 2 years to nip this TRUMP 2.0 stuff in the bud if he wants to run in 2024.

And maybe I'm going a little too old-school on this one but DeSantis running against Trump has a factor I don't think others have brought up.  Ron DeSantis is a catholic, and even less politically acceptable, an Italian-American catholic and even though it is totally insane, Trump is seen as being very much in line and accepted as part of the ultra-popular white-bread prosperity branch of evangelical christianity.  Republicans will back DeSantis over a democrat, but against an evangelically-backed republican?  Ida know...could be a tough road to hoe.

[hollodero]

(12-16-2022, 02:44 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yes, Biden would be a good candidate for DeSantis to go after, but if Biden beats Trump in 2024 then DeSantis has an easy road to the white house, as the idea of this country electing a democrat after 8 years of a democrat president in addition to 16 of the past 20 years being Obama/Biden seems almost too insane to imagine.

Yeah, that argument makes sense.
Only thing, what if Trump wins. Then 4 years later it will be so much tougher to beat the democrat.

(12-16-2022, 02:44 PM)Nately120 Wrote: And maybe I'm going a little too old-school on this one but DeSantis running against Trump has a factor I don't think others have brought up.  Ron DeSantis is a catholic, and even less politically acceptable, an Italian-American catholic and even though it is totally insane, Trump is seen as being very much in line and accepted as part of the ultra-popular white-bread prosperity branch of evangelical christianity.  Republicans will back DeSantis over a democrat, but against an evangelically-backed republican?  Ida know...could be a tough road to hoe.

Were these evangelicals Trump backers from the start, or just after he won the nomination...? Or ah, whatever. Evangelicals are too weird for me to understand really. The man is a serial adulterer, divorced, betrayed his pregnant wife with a pornstar, wonders why he should ask God for forgiveness if he never did anything wrong, is apparently not religious in any aspect of his being, can't recitate Bible verses, holds Bibles upside down, makes a mockery out of religion really. Why would evangelicals back him over any other republican... I don't get it.

[*Nately120*]

(12-16-2022, 03:31 PM)hollodero Wrote: Were these evangelicals Trump backers from the start, or just after he won the nomination...? Or ah, whatever. Evangelicals are too weird for me to understand really. The man is a serial adulterer, divorced, betrayed his pregnant wife with a pornstar, wonders why he should ask God for forgiveness if he never did anything wrong, is apparently not religious in any aspect of his being, can't recitate Bible verses, holds Bibles upside down, makes a mockery out of religion really. Why would evangelicals back him over any other republican... I don't get it.

It's hard to say.  The GOP needs all hands on deck to win an election, and I can tell you I know people who 100% believe that Trump is an amazingly religious and amazingly selfless man who is putting himself through hell for no reason other than to improve the lives of others and to save this country from democrats who are, in some cases, legitimately possessed by demons.

I'm just not sure you can talk those people out of Trump after you've convinced them that Trump won two elections in a row by a landslide and he is, in some cases, legitimately chosen by god himself to save this country.  

That's why I can see DeSantis just sitting this one out and continuing to be a big fish in the small Florida pond for the time being.  Going head to head against Trump is hard, because you can never truly "win" against a cult.

Also, this is extreme but keep in mind that Trump's suggestions almost got his VP killed, too.  I'm not saying DeSantis should fear for his life, but it does show how beating Trump in a legimately contest isn't automatically going to be the period on the sentence many conservatives want it to be.

[HarleyDog]

(12-16-2022, 02:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm in PA and I've always been registered as independent or libertarian and that locks me out of primaries, as well as a number of ballot thingies.  Sorry for the high-brow jargon, there.

This is interesting. I didn't consider the state angle. When I vote in general election I don't have to choose a party or specify one I lean towards. As for primaries I guess I could see why proclaiming your party would be important. 

[Dill]

(12-16-2022, 03:35 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It's hard to say.  The GOP needs all hands on deck to win an election, and I can tell you I know people who 100% believe that Trump is an amazingly religious and amazingly selfless man who is putting himself through hell for no reason other than to improve the lives of others and to save this country from democrats who are, in some cases, legitimately possessed by demons.

I'm just not sure you can talk those people out of Trump after you've convinced them that Trump won two elections in a row by a landslide and he is, in some cases, legitimately chosen by god himself to save this country.  

That's why I can see DeSantis just sitting this one out and continuing to be a big fish in the small Florida pond for the time being.  Going head to head against Trump is hard, because you can never truly "win" against a cult.

Also, this is extreme but keep in mind that Trump's suggestions almost got his VP killed, too.  I'm not saying DeSantis should fear for his life, but it does show how beating Trump in a legimately contest isn't automatically going to be the period on the sentence many conservatives want it to be.

Agree with everything but the bolded.

Were DeSantis really going to sit this one out, I doubt we would be seeing political stunt after political stunt. 

He's already been elected governor, but feels the need now to hold an inquisition to hold vaccine companies and public health officials "accountable" for vaccine misinformation. 
https://www.msn.com/en-my/health/other/gov-ron-desantis-requests-investigation-of-covid-vaccine-manufacturers-cdc/ar-AA15kgdH

Last year he claimed the vacine worked and urged everyone to get vaccinated. 

Now he says it has little effect. And selfless public servants like Fauci, need to be investigated too.

[Dill]

(12-16-2022, 03:31 PM)hollodero Wrote: Were these evangelicals Trump backers from the start, or just after he won the nomination...? Or ah, whatever. Evangelicals are too weird for me to understand really. The man is a serial adulterer, divorced, betrayed his pregnant wife with a pornstar, wonders why he should ask God for forgiveness if he never did anything wrong, is apparently not religious in any aspect of his being, can't recitate Bible verses, holds Bibles upside down, makes a mockery out of religion really. Why would evangelicals back him over any other republican... I don't get it.

Sounds like you have been watching MSNBC and CNN with all their "facts."

Trump gave Evangelicals access like no one else--a subculture in which fallen ministers are regularly forgiven for sins and restored to church power. But he had to convince them he was "born again," which he successfully did. Thousands of pastors then exercised their control over millions of voting believers, looking for guidance.   Pence was right beside Trump to steady this "baby Christian."

All your dated references to pornstars and serial adultery just show how far you are from God and his purpose for all of us. We don't decide who our leaders are--He does. And when he does we have to be ready for all the lies and abuse liberals will heap upon us, but persevere nevertheless. The end times are near and I'm betting you and all those other liberals want to waste time and resources battling climate change and working for peace in Middle East, i.e., working against God's plan for the region on the day of Armageddon. 

Behind the man made "reality" of the top photo below, lies a deeper, more real and spiritual one, which millions can see even if Communist atheists cannot.

[hollodero]

(12-17-2022, 03:35 PM)Dill Wrote: Sounds like you have been watching MSNBC and CNN with all their "facts."

Trump gave Evangelicals access like no one else--a subculture in which fallen ministers are regularly forgiven for sins and restored to church power. But he had to convince them he was "born again," which he successfully did. Thousands of pastors then exercised their control over millions of voting believers, looking for guidance.   Pence was right beside Trump to steady this "baby Christian."

All your dated references to pornstars and serial adultery just show how far you are from God and his purpose for all of us. We don't decide who our leaders are--He does. And when he does we have to be ready for all the lies and abuse liberals will heap upon us, but persevere nevertheless. The end times are near and I'm betting you and all those other liberals want to waste time and resources battling climate change and working for peace in Middle East, i.e., working against God's plan for the region on the day of Armageddon. 

I understand. God chooses the leader, except when he chooses Biden, then it's clearly unacceptable.

[Leon]

(12-17-2022, 03:44 PM)hollodero Wrote: I understand. God chooses the leader, except when he chooses Biden, then it's clearly unacceptable.

God doesnt get involved in elections. that would go against free will. the folks saying that need to stop cause they dont understand there Bible. God can favor one canidate with his strenth and blessings but he cant force folks to choose them/

[*Nately120*]

(12-17-2022, 03:11 PM)Dill Wrote: Agree with everything but the bolded.

Were DeSantis really going to sit this one out, I doubt we would be seeing political stunt after political stunt. 

He's already been elected governor, but feels the need now to hold an inquisition to hold vaccine companies and public health officials "accountable" for vaccine misinformation. 
https://www.msn.com/en-my/health/other/gov-ron-desantis-requests-investigation-of-covid-vaccine-manufacturers-cdc/ar-AA15kgdH

Last year he claimed the vacine worked and urged everyone to get vaccinated. 

Now he says it has little effect. And selfless public servants like Fauci, need to be investigated too.

We will see, the 2024 election is a long way off, but his current political stunts seem very much like pandering to his die hard base.  If he starts doing stuff to reel back in the independents Trump lost it'll seem more like he's trying to reach a national audience. 

Going anti Fauci particularly this late seems very much like a red state-sighted move. 

[Dill]

(12-18-2022, 02:01 AM)Nately120 Wrote: We will see, the 2024 election is a long way off, but his current political stunts seem very much like pandering to his die hard base.  If he starts doing stuff to reel back in the independents Trump lost it'll seem more like he's trying to reach a national audience. 

Going anti Fauci particularly this late seems very much like a red state-sighted move. 

Sounds logical. You could be right about that.

[Dill]

(12-17-2022, 04:35 PM)Leon Wrote: God doesnt get involved in elections. that would go against free will. the folks saying that need to stop cause they dont understand there Bible. God can favor one canidate with his strenth and blessings but he cant force folks to choose them/

We were just examining how most evangelicals view Trump, Leon. So many do or did think Trump was divinely chosen

[Dill]

(12-17-2022, 03:44 PM)hollodero Wrote: I understand. God chooses the leader, except when he chooses Biden, then it's clearly unacceptable.

Bill Clinton was not chosen by god either.

[hollodero]

(12-18-2022, 08:41 AM)Dill Wrote: Bill Clinton was not chosen by god either.

Well, of course not. The man betrayed his wife and was accused of sexual harassment. AS the GOP rightfully said, honor and integrity of the WH had to be restored after him. God could never approve of such a man.

[Dill]

(12-18-2022, 09:30 AM)hollodero Wrote: Well, of course not. The man betrayed his wife and was accused of sexual harassment. AS the GOP rightfully said, honor and integrity of the WH had to be restored after him. God could never approve of such a man.

Except god approved of Cyrus and sent him to deliver the Jews from Babylon.

Trump is the Cyrus who will deliver Christian America from progressive secularists. He is not just a tool He is a tool of god.

[GMDino]

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