Opinion: DeSantis 2024?

[*Nately120*]

(05-19-2023, 01:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: Whew.  I was afraid we could also blame liberals there for a second.  

All seriousness aside I'd say attempted gun laws vs woke Disney laws aren't the same either...other than the likelihood they will not be upheld.

Well aren't we getting into some sort of state's rights versus the state silencing/punishing a corporation which is a "person" argument on this now?

[GMDino]

(05-19-2023, 01:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well aren't we getting into some sort of state's rights versus the state silencing/punishing a corporation which is a "person" argument on this now?

Florida isn't so much a state as a dictatorship.  DeSantis has complete control and the legislature walks in lockstep with/for him no matter what the issue is.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-19-2023, 01:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well aren't we getting into some sort of state's rights versus the state silencing/punishing a corporation which is a "person" argument on this now?

A rather more important difference is that one set of laws clearly violates the Constitution of the United States while the other set do not.  

[*Nately120*]

(05-19-2023, 01:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: A rather more important difference is that one set of laws clearly violates the Constitution of the United States while the other set do not.  

Are you saying Mickey can't use his 1a?  Hot take, he can use his 2a to defend his 1a from the tyranny of the FL government.  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-19-2023, 01:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Are you saying Mickey can't use his 1a?  Hot take, he can use his 2a to defend his 1a from the tyranny of the FL government.  

Yeah, that's a fair point.  I've been laid up with a wonky back the past few days and had to take one of my pills this morning so I don't think I'm firing on all cylinders here. 

[samhain]

IMO, Disney sat quietly and ate what DeSantis was serving up as a passive strategy. Everyone knows he's running for POTUS, and it was in the company's interest to ride it out until he had to embark on a campaign. Take the loss, live to fight another day and negotiate with a potentially more agreeable governor.

Now that the investigation in New York has once again bolstered DJT's profile, the GOP troops are rallying around the ex-president. He's back from being unelectable, and Ron looks less electable with every passing day. Ron is vulnerable on multiple fronts.

With this in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney made a decision to be more aggressive knowing that DeSantis may very well be going nowhere. They are in a rather unique spot. Every shot they land vs the governor will be seized on by a scorched-earth opponent like Trump. To add insult to injury, he can't run too far afoul of Trump's base while DJT goes full bore campaign mode against him.

Ron is about to live the old expression "One Legged Man in and Ass-Kicking Contest". He's going to facethe might of one of the largest and most established corporations in his state simultaneously with the most unhinged and feral campaigner in modern history.

[GMDino]

DeSantis will announce today that he is running for POTUS.  He will do so on a Twitter space with Elon Musk.

Right after that he will sign a new law that allows him to run for POTUS w/o resigning his seat as governor.  A new law passed just for him.

Meanwhile his policies continue to be laughable in Florida.

?The poem that was read by poet Amanda Gorman at President Joe Biden’s inauguration has been banned from elementary schools in Miami-Dade County, Florida after the objections of just one parent. @RawStory https://t.co/fEwT12ZBHC

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) May 23, 2023

 









What is on pg 12-13?





DeSantis and his right wing supporters want the same thing Trump and his cult want but Trump didn't have the power that DeSantis has in his fiefdom of Florida.

[Dill]

(05-24-2023, 09:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: DeSantis will announce today that he is running for POTUS.  He will do so on a Twitter space with Elon Musk.

Right after that he will sign a new law that allows him to run for POTUS w/o resigning his seat as governor.  A new law passed just for him.

Meanwhile his policies continue to be laughable in Florida.



What is on pg 12-13?

Fascinating what this form reveals about the process and standards involved in censoring books. 

This is what happens when curricular decisions shift from teachers to parents who "know more" about what the schools should be teaching.

"Not educational"? No need to specify why, or what would meet that standard.

"Hate messages"? No need to explain or cite. "I know them when I see them." 

So one group gets to eliminate "indoctrination" based on its narrow vision of educational standards and "threats."   

[NATI BENGALS]

Sold my Tesla stock today.

I’ll get back in when/if Elon proves he isn’t trying to get the wanna be dictator elected POTUS.

[*pally*]

The announcement was marred with serious technical glitches that interrupted the programming multiple times.  Not a good look for the candidate and an even worse one for the tech "genuis" whose product failed so spectacularly

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-desantis-announce-2024-presidential-run-wednesday-2023-05-23/

Quote:WASHINGTON, May 23 (Reuters) - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis suffered a chaotic start to his 2024 presidential election race on Wednesday when glitches marred an online forum hosted by Twitter owner Elon Musk that was meant to showcase DeSantis' fitness for the job.

The Twitter broadcast of the hour-long interview , which had been intended as the formal launch for the DeSantis campaign, lost sound for extended stretches and thousands of users were either unable to join or were dropped.

[*Nately120*]

(05-24-2023, 10:13 PM)pally Wrote: The announcement was marred with serious technical glitches that interrupted the programming multiple times.  Not a good look for the candidate and an even worse one for the tech "genuis" whose product failed so spectacularly

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-desantis-announce-2024-presidential-run-wednesday-2023-05-23/

Did they blame it on the stream being way too popular or did they blame it on ANTIFA hackers?

[NATI BENGALS]

(05-24-2023, 10:13 PM)pally Wrote: The announcement was marred with serious technical glitches that interrupted the programming multiple times.  Not a good look for the candidate and an even worse one for the tech "genuis" whose product failed so spectacularly

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-desantis-announce-2024-presidential-run-wednesday-2023-05-23/

Idiot. He should have just paid people $50 bucks to stand around and cheer as he rode down an escalator. The last guy who did it ended up with one of the largest modern day cults ever.

[GMDino]

(05-24-2023, 09:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: DeSantis will announce today that he is running for POTUS.  He will do so on a Twitter space with Elon Musk.

Right after that he will sign a new law that allows him to run for POTUS w/o resigning his seat as governor.  A new law passed just for him.

Meanwhile his policies continue to be laughable in Florida.

?The poem that was read by poet Amanda Gorman at President Joe Biden’s inauguration has been banned from elementary schools in Miami-Dade County, Florida after the objections of just one parent. @RawStory https://t.co/fEwT12ZBHC

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) May 23, 2023

 









What is on pg 12-13?





DeSantis and his right wing supporters want the same thing Trump and his cult want but Trump didn't have the power that DeSantis has in his fiefdom of Florida.

Same lady.

https://www.jta.org/2023/05/24/united-states/the-florida-mom-who-got-amanda-gormans-poem-restricted-says-shes-sorry-for-promoting-the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=JTA_Twitter

Quote:(JTA) – Months before a Miami-area mother persuaded a local school to restrict access to an Amanda Gorman poem, she was posting antisemitic memes on her Facebook page.


Now, Daily Salinas is apologizing for one of those things — and unrepentant about the other. 


“I want to apologize to the Jewish community,” Salinas told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency on Wednesday. She was saying sorry for a Facebook post she shared in March offering a summary of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” a notorious antisemitic forgery written more than a century ago in Russia.


“I’m not what the post says,” Salinas said. “I love the Jewish community.”



The post came to light this week after the Miami Herald identified Salinas as the Miami Lakes, Florida, mother who petitioned her children’s school to ban students’ access to the Gorman poem. Gorman read the poem, called “The Hill We Climb,” at President Joe Biden’s inauguration.


Salinas also petitioned the school to restrict children’s books about the Black poet Langston Hughes and about Black and Cuban history. After a committee reviewed her challenges, the Miami-Dade County school district opted to restrict all but one book about Cuba from grades K-5, while leaving them available to middle school students.


Salinas challenged the Gorman poem — which she says she hasn’t read in its entirety — on the grounds that it contains “indirect hate messages.” The review committee said it “erred on the side of caution” in deciding to limit students’ access.


The Miami Herald did not mention Salinas’ social media activity. But after the story about her was published, a left-wing group, Miami Against Fascism, called attention to a Facebook account it identified as hers. The account, which JTA reviewed, features a flood of political posts reflecting right-wing ideologies — and the antisemitic Protocols.


Salinas’ post about the Protocols included a list of steps depicting how “Jewish Zionists” would achieve world domination. The graphic included stages such as “Place our agents and helpers everywhere,” “Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism,” and “Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary.” 


Reached by JTA on Wednesday, Salinas confirmed that the post about the “Protocols” was hers and apologized for it, saying she hadn’t read it beyond the word “communism.” Salinas said her aversion to communism stems from her Cuban identity. She added that English is not her first language.


“I see the word ‘communism,’ and I think it’s something about communism,” she said. “I didn’t read the words.”


Salinas said that her heart became “tight” with pain when she thought that people would see her as antisemitic for sharing the Protocols post. After speaking with JTA, Salinas deleted the post.


Salinas said she was speaking with JTA after declining to talk with other media outlets so that she could apologize. She said she is Christian and added, “We are super protective of the Jewish people.” She added that she has Jewish friends and is a fan of the Israeli Netflix series “Fauda.” 


 She said the books about Cuba that she challenged “don’t tell the whole story about Cuba, communism, the dictators, their people that are dying and trying to come to America.” The significant population of Spanish-speaking immigrants from countries with a history of communism, many of whom tend to be politically conservative, has played a growing role in the region’s culture wars. 


Salinas’ Facebook feed reflects the kinds of right-wing memes that continue to circulate widely, although she told JTA that she did not post everything on it herself. Miami Against Fascism also shared video of Salinas with the Proud Boys, a far-right group with ties to antisemitic activists, as well as a video of her attending a school board protest last year with Moms For Liberty, a “parents’ rights” group active in pushing for book removals across the country. Such groups have been instrumental in leveraging laws signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that enable parents to challenge the presence of any book in school libraries. In some instances, those challenges have led to the removal of books about the Holocaust and Jewish culture.


Salinas told JTA she was not a member of either group and said she had just been in attendance at protests where they were both present. A Moms For Liberty media representative also told JTA Salinas was not a member of the group and said, “We denounce antisemitism in all its forms.”


Asked why she wanted the books removed in the first place, Salinas said she had just been expressing her “opinion” that they did not “support the curriculum” but declined to elaborate.


She said she had only read parts of the books.  “They have to read for me because I’m not an expert,” she said. “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person. I’m a mom involved in my children’s education.”


A representative of the school district told JTA in a statement that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed,” and that “it was determined at the school” that Gorman’s poem was “better suited for middle school students.” In publicly available meeting minutes, the review committee said the “vocabulary” of Gorman’s poem was “determined to be of value for middle school students,” and similarly that the “content and subject matter” of the Hughes poems were determined to be for middle school readers. The district did not respond to JTA’s queries about Salinas’ Facebook activity.


Gorman said on Twitter that she was “gutted” by the removal in Salinas’ children’s school. “Often all it takes to remove these works from our libraries and schools is a single objection,” she wrote.

[*Nately120*]

Why is this related to just books? If people who don't read can "know a book that needs banned without reading it or without peer review" can get a book banned can I, someone with no understanding of mechanics, get brake fluid banned?

Brake fluid is bad. It needs banned. How do I know this? I just do.

[*Nately120*]

Does the DeSantis merch page feature Bud Light? 

[GMDino]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-administration-officials-solicit-campaign-cash-lobbyists-rcna86357

Quote:TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Officials who work for Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration — not his campaign — have been sending text messages to Florida lobbyists soliciting political contributions for DeSantis' presidential bid, a breach of traditional norms that has raised ethical and legal questions and left many here in the state capital shocked.


NBC News reviewed text messages from four DeSantis administration officials, including those directly in the governor's office and with leadership positions in state agencies. They requested the recipient of the message contribute to the governor’s campaign through a specific link that appeared to track who is giving as part of a “bundle” program. 

“The bottom line is that the administration appears to be keeping tabs on who is giving, and are doing it using state staff,” a longtime Florida lobbyist said. “You are in a prisoner’s dilemma. They are going to remain in power. We all understand that.”


NBC News is not naming the specific staffers who sent the text messages because it could out the lobbyists who received the messages and shared them.


DeSantis’ office did not return a request seeking comment, but one administration official acknowledged that they were fundraising for the campaign.


"I’m not sure what every EOG staffer does on their free time and after hours, with their first amendment rights, but I wouldn’t be shocked if team eog somehow raised more money than lobbyists," the administration official said in a text message, referring to an acronym for the governor's office. "I can confirm I (and many other staff) personally donated."


[color=var(--pullquote--quote--color)]“What the f--- am I supposed to do? I have a lot of business in front of the DeSantis administration.
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Generally, political staffers are charged with raising money for political campaigns, and aides on the official side are walled off from those operations.


The legality of the solicitations depends on a series of factors, including whether they were sent on state-owned phones, or if they were sent on state property. A longtime Florida election law attorney said that even if the DeSantis aides are fundraising for the campaign in their personal capacity, off the government clock, it still raised ethical questions.


“At a minimum, even if they are sitting in their home at 9 p.m. using their personal phone and contacting lobbyists that they somehow magically met in their personal capacity and not through their role in the governor’s office, it still smells yucky,” the attorney said. “There’s a misuse of public position issue here that is obvious to anyone paying attention.”
But the practice was still jaw-dropping for those who have long been involved in Florida politics.


NBC News spoke with 10 Republican lobbyists in Florida, all of whom said they couldn't remember being solicited for donations so overtly by administration officials — especially at a time when the governor still has to act on the state budget.


That process that involves DeSantis using his line-item veto pen to slash funding for projects that the same lobbyists whom they are asking for political cash have a professional stake in. Most of the lobbyists said they felt pressure to give to the governor's campaign.



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“What the f--- am I supposed to do?” one lobbyist said. “I have a lot of business in front of the DeSantis administration.”
“The ethics behind this is questionable at best, especially when the budget has yet to be acted on,” another Republican lobbyist said.


“It is walking a very close line to what is ethical and possibly legal. It is state employees leveraging their official position to ask people whose livelihood depend on access to state government for money,” a Florida lobbyist said.

“Using a bundle code makes it look like certain employees get credit with the campaign,” the person added. “It’s very questionable.”


DeSantis launched his presidential campaign on Wednesday, in a Twitter Spaces conversation with Elon Musk that was marred with technical glitches that at times overshadowed the event itself.


On Thursday, DeSantis’ campaign announced it had raised $8.2 million in its first 24 hours, a staggering sum.


DeSantis has framed much of his political persona as a political outsider whose goal is to “drain the swamp.” His campaign store quickly started offering t-shirts saying “DeSantis breaks systems” after the flubbed Twitter rollout, which his campaign is saying was due to such a high level of interest that the social media platform simply could not handle.


“The practice feeds the DeSantis corrupt swampy meme perfectly for opponents. For no f------ reason,” said another veteran Florida Republican. “Hard to be Mr. Break the Internet and Swamp when you  do this. Really dumb.”


Republican consultants and fundraisers in other states told NBC News they have not heard of a similar situation of state employees trying to get political contributions, and it would raise serious questions if their clients tried a similar approach.
“If any of my clients had legislative staff sending out donation links, we would be having a hard conversation,” a Republican fundraiser who works on federal elections said.


The person added that regardless of legal implications, the optics of taxpayer-funded staff asking lobbyists for political cash are bad.


“Whoever is telling these kids to do this has lost their damn mind,” said another Florida Republican lobbyist.

[*pally*]

The man can't even decide how to pronounce his own last name  Most of us mastered that within the first couple of years of talking

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/01/desantis-pronounce-his-name

Quote:Some presidential candidates struggle to nail their message. Ron DeSantis is struggling to nail his NAME. In the early days of his campaign, DeSantis has gone back and forth between pronouncing his name Dee-Santis and Deh-Santis.

Why it matters: DeSantis' dissonance on how to say his name — for years an issue of confusion for his campaign teams — is a curiosity as many GOP leaders and donors wonder whether the Florida governor is ready for the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.

What's happening: During his first week as a candidate, DeSantis pronounced his name "Dee-Santis" during:

The video announcing his presidential campaign.
A radio interview in South Carolina, in which he told listeners to go to "RonDee-Santis.com."
But then: DeSantis pronounced it "Deh-Santis" during interviews with Fox News, Glenn Beck, Erick Erickson, and Mark Levin this past week.

The governor's campaign, his wife, Casey, and the independent super PAC that supports him consistently pronounce it "Deh-Santis."
Asked the proper way to pronounce his name, DeSantis' campaign did not answer. The super PAC, Never Back Down, declined to say.

Former President Trump has chided DeSantis over the different pronunciations.

"Ron DeSantis is a phony who can’t decide how to pronounce his name," Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung told Axios. "If you can’t get your name right, how can you lead a country?"
Flashback: Early in his political career, DeSantis, 44, appeared to use "Dee-Santis" more often — then began a slow and still-incomplete evolution to "Deh-Santis."

During the 2018 race for Florida governor, the candidate and his wife pronounced his name differently in his television ads: He said "Dee-Santis" in his first TV spot, and she said "Deh-Santis" in another.
When a reporter noted the differences, a campaign spokesperson at the time said the candidate "prefers 'Dee-Santis.' "
The dueling pronunciations have tripped up others. When DeSantis was sworn in for his second term as governor in January, Florida's chief justice pronounced his name "Dee-Santis" — and the governor repeated back, "Deh-Santis."
What they're saying: Professor William Connell, chair of Italian Studies at Seton Hall University, told Axios that it's common for Italian Americans such as DeSantis to change the pronunciation of their name from the original Italian to a more anglicized version — but that "Dee-Santis" surprised him.

" 'Day-Sahn-tees' would be proper Italian, but sloughing it off as 'Deh-Santis' is common," he said. "But 'Dee-Santis' is unusual because that would be spelled 'DiSantis' in Italian."
Fellow Italian-American politician and former New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, a Democrat, told Axios that many fellow politicians adopt the "deh" pronunciation or have something between "day" and "deh."
In a phone call from Italy, where he was traveling, de Blasio said DeSantis' shifts were "just a really weird thing to change at the last minute."
"People flip-flop and change their positions on things, but how you say your name is not one of them. It’s not negotiable!"

[GMDino]

Listening to bits of DeeSantis' Iowa speech on the radio this morning.  

1) He's boring.  Trump will eat him alive face to face if that happens.

2) I'm old enough to remember when "virtue signaling" was a slur that the right used if anyone stood up for the rights of a minority group[ of people.  It seems to be DeeSantis' entire campaign.

3) He'll get some votes from people who are exhausted from Trump's crimes, but I can't see him winning over the hearts and minds of the entire country.

[BigPapaKain]

(06-01-2023, 09:25 AM)pally Wrote: The man can't even decide how to pronounce his own last name  Most of us mastered that within the first couple of years of talking

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/01/desantis-pronounce-his-name

Is this about the time we become arm chair doctors and psychiatrists and start declaring him to have dementia or Alzheimer's?

[*Nately120*]

(06-01-2023, 09:25 AM)pally Wrote: The man can't even decide how to pronounce his own last name  Most of us mastered that within the first couple of years of talking

I was actually thinking of going back to my old pronunciation of my last name that I used as a kid....Roadrunner.