POTUS UN Speech

[Dill]

(09-21-2017, 09:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not sure Japan thinks he's a laughing stock. Matter fact I think they are quite happy with him. I further doubt many other countries thinks he's a laughing stock. Perhaps many UN members pissed that he thinks we shouldn't pay 22% of an organization that consists of 193 Nations.  

Japan is not laughing

Donald Trump's remarks on troop withdrawal baffle Japanese gov't officials
http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20160329/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

Trump’s remarks about Asia cause bewilderment, unease in Japan
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201603300035.html

Donald Trump’s rise sparks alarm in Japan
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/14/donald-trumps-rise-sparks-alarm-in-japan.html

Japan and South Korea hit back at Trump's nuclear comments
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/politics/trump-view-from-south-korea-japan/index.html

President Trump? Among U.S. allies, Japan may be one of the most anxious about that idea
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-trump-president-20160625-snap-story.html

An Angry Japan Responds To Trump's Toyota Taunts
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-06/angry-japan-responds-trumps-toyota-taunts

Editorial: US election campaign shows worrying trend of isolation
https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20160331-ASIA-S-ACCELERATING-ARMS-RACE/Viewpoints/Editorial-US-election-campaign-shows-worrying-trend-of-isolation

Donald Trump savages Japan, saying all they will do is 'watch Sony TVs' if US is attacked and threatening to 'walk' away from treaty
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/donald-trump-savages-japan-saying-all-they-will-do-is-watch-sony/

[Arturo Bandini]

(09-21-2017, 09:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not sure Japan thinks he's a laughing stock. Matter fact I think they are quite happy with him. I further doubt many other countries thinks he's a laughing stock. Perhaps many UN members pissed that he thinks we shouldn't pay 22% of an organization that consists of 193 Nations.  

And you really think Japan is enjoying a nuclear war ( once again ) close to their land because two stupid people are arguing like kids in a classroom ?

And yes, Trump is the laughing stock of the world at this moment. Deal with it. 

[GMDino]

The response:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/world/asia/kim-trump-rocketman-dotard.html?smid=tw-share

Quote:SEOUL, South Korea — Responding directly for the first time to President Trump’s threat at the United Nations to destroy nuclear-armed North Korea, its leader called Mr. Trump a “mentally deranged U.S. dotard” on Friday and vowed the “highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history.”

The rejoinder by the leader, Kim Jong-un, who is about half as old as Mr. Trump, 71, added to the lexicon of Mr. Kim’s choice of insults in the escalating bombast between the two.

“A frightened dog barks louder,” Mr. Kim said in a statement, referring to Mr. Trump’s speech at the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday in which he vowed to annihilate North Korea if the United States were forced to defend itself or its allies against it.

“He is surely a rogue and a gangster fond of playing with fire, rather than a politician,” Mr. Kim said.

His statement, carried by North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency on Friday morning in Pyongyang, the North’s capital, was his first direct response to Mr. Trump’s speech.


Mr. Kim’s foreign minister, Ri Yong-ho, who arrived in New York on Wednesday to attend the General Assembly, also called Mr. Trump “a dog barking.”

Asked by reporters in New York what Mr. Kim might have meant by the “highest level of hard-line countermeasure,” Mr. Ri said that only Mr. Kim would know, but that he thought the North might be considering the largest test of a hydrogen bomb ever in the Pacific Ocean, according to the South Korean news agency Yonhap.

In his United Nations speech, Mr. Trump called North Korea’s autocracy a “band of criminals” and Mr. Kim a “Rocket Man” on “a suicide mission.”

“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea,” he said.


Although Mr. Kim is often quoted by official North Korean news media, it is highly unusual for him to issue a statement in his name. In North Korea, the supreme leader’s statement carries a weight that surpasses any other formal document.

Mr. Kim, who has been accelerating his country’s development of nuclear weapons and long-range ballistic missiles in defiance of the United Nations, Washington and its allies, said Mr. Trump’s remarks had convinced him that “the path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last.”

“Now that Trump has denied the existence of and insulted me and my country in front of the eyes of the world and made the most ferocious declaration of a war in history that he would destroy” North Korea, Mr. Kim said, “we will consider with seriousness exercising of a corresponding, highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history.”

“Action is the best option in treating the dotard who, hard of hearing, is uttering only what he wants to say,” he added. “I will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged U. S. dotard with fire.”

Mr. Kim did not elaborate other than to say his future actions would be “beyond” Mr. Trump’s expectation.

North Korea flight-tested two intercontinental ballistic missiles in July, the last of which demonstrated the potential of reaching the mainland United States. It has also fired two intermediate-range ballistic missiles over Japan in recent weeks. On Sept. 3, the country detonated what it called a hydrogen bomb in its sixth and most powerful underground nuclear test.

North Korea has recently threatened to launch missiles in an “enveloping fire” in waters around Guam, an American territory and home to major United States military bases. Mr. Kim has also warned that his country would conduct more missiles tests in the Pacific.

Well...that doesn't sound good.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-22-2017, 02:29 AM)Dill Wrote: Japan is not laughing

Donald Trump's remarks on troop withdrawal baffle Japanese gov't officials
http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20160329/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

Trump’s remarks about Asia cause bewilderment, unease in Japan
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201603300035.html

Donald Trump’s rise sparks alarm in Japan
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/14/donald-trumps-rise-sparks-alarm-in-japan.html

Japan and South Korea hit back at Trump's nuclear comments
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/politics/trump-view-from-south-korea-japan/index.html

President Trump? Among U.S. allies, Japan may be one of the most anxious about that idea
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-trump-president-20160625-snap-story.html

An Angry Japan Responds To Trump's Toyota Taunts
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-06/angry-japan-responds-trumps-toyota-taunts

Editorial: US election campaign shows worrying trend of isolation
https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20160331-ASIA-S-ACCELERATING-ARMS-RACE/Viewpoints/Editorial-US-election-campaign-shows-worrying-trend-of-isolation

Donald Trump savages Japan, saying all they will do is 'watch Sony TVs' if US is attacked and threatening to 'walk' away from treaty
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/donald-trump-savages-japan-saying-all-they-will-do-is-watch-sony/

All but one of your articles is from 2016, well before the current issues with North Korea.  Also, one is an editorial, which should never be used as "proof" of anything.  If you're going to post "proof" try and make it current and topical please.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-22-2017, 07:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: The response:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/world/asia/kim-trump-rocketman-dotard.html?smid=tw-share



Well...that doesn't sound good.

If we respond with military force it will be their fault.

[GMDino]

Will dotard become a banned word on the forum?  

[Matt_Crimson]

(09-22-2017, 07:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: The response:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/world/asia/kim-trump-rocketman-dotard.html?smid=tw-share



Well...that doesn't sound good.

When has anything about North Korea ever sounded good? 

Also I wonder who was threatened with death to write that statement for him.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-22-2017, 08:53 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: All but one of your articles is from 2016, well before the current issues with North Korea.  Also, one is an editorial, which should never be used as "proof" of anything.  If you're going to post "proof" try and make it current and topical please.

Calm yourself.

Do events from 2016 affect or influence events in 2017?

[GMDino]

(09-22-2017, 09:31 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: When has anything about North Korea ever sounded good? 

Also I wonder who was threatened with death to write that statement for him.

Trump? 

No, all seriousness aside There is a reason the adults use diplomacy even when it "doesn't work" rather than name call and threaten to destroy other countries.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-22-2017, 09:43 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Calm yourself.

Do events from 2016 affect or influence events in 2017?

Calm yourself.

If the have something to do with the current situation, and not trade or talk of isolationism, sure.  Maybe read the articles he posted before commenting?  

[hollodero]

(09-21-2017, 11:39 PM)Vlad Wrote: When Obama became president someone should have let him know there are 50 states in the union, not 57.

And that Austrian is not a language.

Now wait a minute. Austrian is a language. Sort of. OK, it isn't. But on this matter, Trump picked an ambassador to Austria because that man had the qualifications of having seen Sound of Music 75 times. Now that is actually not a blunder, it's deliberately ignorant.

In response, we will send you someone who had seen Dances with Wolves 75 times. Lead him to the Sioux, he's looking for a squaw.

[GMDino]

Well it seems the people of japan did not have a high regard for Trump around the election.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2042333/what-japanese-really-think-donald-trump

And based on their view of him:

Quote:Asked to choose the attributes that most accurately describe Trump, Japanese people selected “arrogant”, “unpredictable” and “divisive”. 

I'd guess his behavior as POTUS hasn't changed that view much.

I'm sure the politicians are handling it with kid gloves as that is what politicians do (not what Trump does) so they probably haven't said anything too negative publicly.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/asia/japan-north-korea-missile-reaction/index.html
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Quote:CNN's Tokyo producer Yoko Wakatsuki said broader reaction in Tokyo and across national media was more measured.



"People know what North Korea is doing is a little bit of provocation ... they know this is not a direct attack to Japan, it's not an overture to war," CNN Tokyo producer Yoko Wakatsuki said.

But underneath the calm exterior, Friday's launch has widened a growing fault line in the ideological war over how Japan should deal with the North Korean threat to the region.

Abe's government have sought closer ties with the United States while working to change Japan's post-World War II constitution to allow the country to actively defend itself against external threats.

But Koichi Nakano, Political Science professor at Sophia University, told CNN Abe's opponents are angry their supposed ally in Washington was making Japan less safe under President Trump and want to soften their ties to the US, while upholding their nation's pacifist values.

"The danger of North Korea has been if anything heightened after Trump came to power (due to) his sometimes really provocative language and tweets. He's not really helping that much," he said.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-22-2017, 10:11 AM)hollodero Wrote: Now wait a minute. Austrian is a language. Sort of. OK, it isn't. But on this matter, Trump picked an ambassador to Austria because that man had the qualifications of having seen Sound of Music 75 times. Now that is actually not a blunder, it's deliberately ignorant.

In response, we will send you someone who had seen Dances with Wolves 75 times. Lead him to the Sioux, he's looking for a squaw.

What's funny is that you guys can't tell the difference between trump working the room and him being serious.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-22-2017, 10:07 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Calm yourself.

If the have something to do with the current situation, and not trade or talk of isolationism, sure.  Maybe read the articles he posted before commenting?  

So the answer to my question is, yes, events from 2016 do influence events in 2017. Those stories and the current situation have a common denominator.

[GMDino]

(09-22-2017, 10:16 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What's funny is that you guys can't tell the difference between trump working the room and him being serious.

What's funny is Trump (and "you guys") can't tell the difference between the POTUS and a stand up comedian.  Especially one that, if that was him "working the room" it was an awful way to do it.

[Belsnickel]

(09-22-2017, 10:19 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So the answer to my question is, yes, events from 2016 do influence events in 2017. Those stories and the current situation have a common denominator.

I was actually going to say the same thing as SSF when I first saw Dill's post. In fact, every one of those articles is from before Trump was in office. The difference being that what he said on the campaign trail can be (note I am saying can be, not is) different than actions since he has taken office. Japan rightly got riled by his rhetoric on the campaign trail because of his message being a threat to their security and economy. But, has he enacted policy to that regard and how have the Japanese responded since he has been in office?

We would need articles talking about the views of the Japanese on Trump since he has taken office to really get a good feel for that, and pretending otherwise is just being stubborn.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-22-2017, 09:08 AM)GMDino Wrote: Will dotard become a banned word on the forum?  

Pretty sure that is Korean for kkkuck.

[hollodero]

(09-22-2017, 10:16 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What's funny is that you guys can't tell the difference between trump working the room and him being serious.

? What has that to do with our ambassador? But whatever, that astounding line stands on its own anyway. 

We guys can't tell that, hm. While "you guys" can. Of course! It's so easy. Whenever he says something you like, he's serious. Whenever he says something false, pointless or moronic, he's simply working the room. What's not to get there.

And why wouldn't he work the room? It's not like there are more important things to work on. It's also no big deal to be misunderstood by the wrong people. Who cares about them?

But right, I don't get all that, being part of "them guys". To me it seems that your admiration for a full level right-wing troll as president is so high that you misinterpret baloney as hilariously playing people. 

[Matt_Crimson]

(09-22-2017, 10:24 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I was actually going to say the same thing as SSF when I first saw Dill's post. In fact, every one of those articles is from before Trump was in office. The difference being that what he said on the campaign trail can be (note I am saying can be, not is) different than actions since he has taken office. Japan rightly got riled by his rhetoric on the campaign trail because of his message being a threat to their security and economy. But, has he enacted policy to that regard and how have the Japanese responded since he has been in office?

We would need articles talking about the views of the Japanese on Trump since he has taken office to really get a good feel for that, and pretending otherwise is just being stubborn.

Completely agree. Too much selective reporting going on around here. 

[*bfine32*]

(09-22-2017, 02:29 AM)Dill Wrote: Japan is not laughing

Donald Trump's remarks on troop withdrawal baffle Japanese gov't officials
http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20160329/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

Trump’s remarks about Asia cause bewilderment, unease in Japan
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201603300035.html

Donald Trump’s rise sparks alarm in Japan
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/14/donald-trumps-rise-sparks-alarm-in-japan.html

Japan and South Korea hit back at Trump's nuclear comments
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/politics/trump-view-from-south-korea-japan/index.html

President Trump? Among U.S. allies, Japan may be one of the most anxious about that idea
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-trump-president-20160625-snap-story.html

An Angry Japan Responds To Trump's Toyota Taunts
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-06/angry-japan-responds-trumps-toyota-taunts

Editorial: US election campaign shows worrying trend of isolation
https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20160331-ASIA-S-ACCELERATING-ARMS-RACE/Viewpoints/Editorial-US-election-campaign-shows-worrying-trend-of-isolation

Donald Trump savages Japan, saying all they will do is 'watch Sony TVs' if US is attacked and threatening to 'walk' away from treaty
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/donald-trump-savages-japan-saying-all-they-will-do-is-watch-sony/

Do you have anything a little more current (Perhaps from this year). Like since NK has been launching missiles over their country?

I'll help you with your research. They recently had a meeting.