Post-Election Thoughts

[Bengalzona]

An interesting article on the "Trump Revolution":

http://www.juancole.com/2016/11/rebelled-neoliberalism-literally.html

[Belsnickel]

(11-09-2016, 12:38 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: It was extraordinarily close into the late hours, but after she lost PA the writing was on the wall. ihear she will be speaking shortly.

That's my understanding as well. It's just one of those things that I thought it was typical for the losing candidate to address their supporters that night.

[GMDino]

(11-09-2016, 12:38 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: It was extraordinarily close into the late hours, but after she lost PA the writing was on the wall. ihear she will be speaking shortly.

Was suppose to be at 10:30am, but it got delayed again.

[Au165]

(11-09-2016, 12:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: Was suppose to be at 10:30am, but it got delayed again.

Maybe they really didn't have a concession speech and keep re writing it haha.

[CKwi88]

(11-09-2016, 12:53 PM)Au165 Wrote: Maybe they really didn't have a concession speech and keep re writing it haha.

Honestly, the way the DNC was taking this for granted, it would not surprise me.

[GMDino]

(11-09-2016, 12:53 PM)Au165 Wrote: Maybe they really didn't have a concession speech and keep re writing it haha.

They said last night she had one.

Apparently, as usual, she was prepared.

[WeezyBengal]

(11-09-2016, 12:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: They said last night she had one.

Apparently, as usual, she was prepared.

Let it go man! 

[Goalpost]

Kind of incredible. Ohio went 52-43 for Trump. A win of 500,000 votes. I voted Trump but was very skeptical. But that was the beginning where Hillary had a rust belt problem.

[tigerseye]

Congrats Trump.

My thought/am hopeful that the Main Stream Propaganda Outlets will not recover from their ridiculously one sided coverage of this election.

They have zero credibility left and it was seen by all.

It was not news coverage. It was filtered/one sided propaganda.




God Bless America.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(11-09-2016, 12:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Does anyone know if there is a precedence in the modern era for a losing candidate to not address their supporters on the night of the election after conceding? I'm just curious, because I found that to be a little classless last night/this morning.

Probably started drinking after Ohio and Florida results.
And she probably didn't have a losing speech ready.

[Aquapod770]

Post election thoughts?


1. Calling people racist/sexist doesn't make them want to vote for your candidate.

2. Obvious hypocrisy (from both sides) is a huge problem.

3. I've seen more hateful stuff from Hillary supporters than I have ever seen from Trump or his supporters in the last 12 hours.

4. Pandering doesn't work.

5. As I've said all along, polls are stupid.

5b. Debates are meaningless when it comes to swaying voters.

6. I was very disappointed that Johnson didn't get up to the 5% needed for federal funding next election cycle. Thank god he doesn't plan on running again. Time to get a real libertarian on there.

[Aquapod770]

(11-09-2016, 02:25 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Probably started drinking after Ohio and Florida results.
And she probably didn't have a losing speech ready.

Apparently she ripped it up halfway through the results coming in because she was so confident she'd win. 

[xxlt]

(11-09-2016, 09:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm here to eat crow. I said all along that this was a Clinton win. I am a political science junky (I study public policy and admin because it is the practical application of poli sci) and the vast majority of what the field looks at pointed to Clinton, and that was wrong. This means that for the next few years academics will be having all sorts of fun trying to understand what happened. Of course, they will likely face decreased funding to do so, but that's a different matter.

My wife is very unhappy with the result, but I am a bit more pragmatic. I told her not to get to snappy with any of the folks we work with that voted Trump, because their votes didn't help him win since Virginia went Clinton and all of our electoral votes go to her. I also told her to keep in mind that while the House will be favorable to Trump because they will often look to their constituents to take their cues, the Senate is not that way and looks more towards the country as a whole and while it is a GOP majority they will not just let things go through that will cause irreparable harm to our country.

My frustrations with this situation are these:

1. We don't know what we are getting. With the constant position switching and ambiguous policy plans it's hard to say what he will actually be pushing for. This leads to the next one.

2. This was not an issues election, and that concerns me. Either major party candidate would have been elected not based on issues, but on emotions. That's not logical, and that's concerning.

3. This country just elected, for the first time in our history, a President with no prior government experience. The first President in our history that has neither held public office and/or been in the military. Someone without knowledge of how government works to head up the largest bureaucracy in the hemisphere. This concerns me. Everything else aside, this is what concerned me the most about Trump from the beginning.

So, whatever your leanings in this election, what are your thoughts this morning?

I agree with your analysis. I know people talk all the time about leaving if x happens, and it is just talk. I am not saying I will leave, but I will seriously consider it. I keep reminding myself that somehow America has survived 35 years of train wrecks in the White House and maybe if the country just dissolves it will be for the best.

[hollodero]

Here's my thoughts. I wish your country and all its citizens the best. But those who voted for him: Don't forget what he told you, what he promised you, on what he ran, keep him to his promises. I seldomly was so certain about something than I am about this: Donald Trump will not be able or even wiling to keep them, your country's situation will be worsening, he will not deliver and disappoint. And democrats should probably prepare for a huge pendulum swing within four years, combined with an enormous call for damage control. Trump is an imposter, always was, the right-wing populists all are. They are effective - persuasive - against political power, but non-functional once in power, they are nothing but a smokescreen, a bluff now forced to show his hand. This is a huge designed belly-flop for the US, it can't be anything else, from all I've seeen and known. So I say, Trump voters, don't forget, and at some point feel angry about the demagogue that solved nothing, that did nothing for you, that sold you false dreams and betrayed you. You can call me a twaddler or a drivelling idiot now, and fair enough. Just give it time. As long as you don't turn blind, you'll get there.

As I said, I am so certain - and still somehow hoping I'm wrong. I still like the US, albeit to a lesser extent right now. As for the Non-Trumpers: Hang in there. You lost people, they'll come back, just be the better half of the divided country, work against the divide. Be tolerant and don't alienate moderates by calling people names and all that. Populists don't hang on too long, they get demystified quickly, I've seen that in my country in a tiny nutshell. But the "Trump people" will still be there, and most of them probably don't "really" qualify as sexist or racist etc. I think it's important to keep that in mind. It's not my smarts speaking, but my experience.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

(11-09-2016, 04:57 PM)hollodero Wrote: Here's my thoughts. I wish your country and all its citizens the best. But those who voted for him: Don't forget what he told you, what he promised you, on what he ran, keep him to his promises. I seldomly was so certain about something than I am about this: Donald Trump will not be able or even wiling to keep them, your country's situation will be worsening, he will not deliver and disappoint. And democrats should probably prepare for a huge pendulum swing within four years, combined with an enormous call for damage control. Trump is an imposter, always was, the right-wing populists all are. They are effective - persuasive - against political power, but non-functional once in power, they are nothing but a smokescreen, a bluff now forced to show his hand. This is a huge designed belly-flop for the US, it can't be anything else, from all I've seeen and known. So I say, Trump voters, don't forget, and at some point feel angry about the demagogue that solved nothing, that did nothing for you, that sold you false dreams and betrayed you. You can call me a twaddler or a drivelling idiot now, and fair enough. Just give it time. As long as you don't turn blind, you'll get there.

As I said, I am so certain - and still somehow hoping I'm wrong. I still like the US, albeit to a lesser extent right now. As for the Non-Trumpers: Hang in there. You lost people, they'll come back, just be the better half of the divided country, work against the divide. Be tolerant and don't alienate moderates by calling people names and all that. Populists don't hang on too long, they get demystified quickly, I've seen that in my country in a tiny nutshell. But the "Trump people" will still be there, and most of them probably don't "really" qualify as sexist or racist etc. I think it's important to keep that in mind. It's not my smarts speaking, but my experience.

LOL.

[hollodero]

(11-09-2016, 05:23 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: LOL.

And what is that supposed to mean?

[J24]

1.) Hilary lost more so than Trump won and I would say the same thing about the Republicans who faced off against Trump in the primary. People are tired with DC and this election showed it.
2.) You don't need to in the center to win an election a anymore. A socialist or a libertarian can win the whole thing if it wins the Democratic or Republican nomination.
3.) A third party candidate will never win a nomination.
4.) We're not a divided nation that's just BS driven by the media.

[NATI BENGALS]

People voted in a guy who bankrupted casinos and had such a bad business rap sheet he couldnt get a loan on his own. They voted for this guy because they wanted changes and they were sick of politics as usual. Then they voted in most of the incumbents that havent been doing anything to the house and senate to continue on with politics as usual.

Stupid ass stuff. Embarrassing that a reality TV show host was able to play to the ignorance of the American people and manipulate them in a way that made him the most powerful man in the world.

[NATI BENGALS]

The swamp wasnt drained and now there is a big ass turd floating on the top of it.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-09-2016, 06:18 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: The swamp wasnt drained and now there is a big ass turd floating on the top of it.

We get it, you're upset.  Get the poison out.