President Trump says he plans to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

[GMDino]

Damn Obama with all his Executive Orders and stepping all over the Constitution!!!

Wait....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/30/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order/1816666002/

Quote:President Donald Trump said in an interview that he plans to sign an executive order ending "birthright citizenship" for the children of non-American citizens who are born on U.S. soil, a move that would likely be challenged immediately in the courts over its constitutionality.


"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump told "Axios on HBO" in an interview set to air Sunday, just two days before the midterm election. "You can definitely do it with an act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."

"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, with all of those benefits," Trump said.

The president said, "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." He said he has spoken with his legal advisers and that the move was "in the process."

"It will happen, with an executive order," Trump said. 

Such an executive order would likely face legal challenges immediately. According to the 14th Amendment, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The amendment was adopted in 1868, after the Civil War, and the above language was meant to grant citizenship to newly freed slaves, according to FactCheck.org. 

The concept of birthright citizenship was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1898 in United States v. Wong Kim Ark when the court affirmed the citizenship of a man born on U.S. soil to parents who were Chinese nationals. 

But Jon Feere, a legal policy analyst for the anti-immigration Center for Immigration Studies, says some legal scholars argue that the wording "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" has "no plain meaning" and the "current, broad application of the Citizenship Clause may not be warranted." 

Curtailing immigration has been a defining element of Trump's political platform since he announced his candidacy for president in 2015 with a pledge to stop Mexican "rapists" from entering the U.S. 

That same year, Trump pledged to stop "anchor babies," a derisive term for birthright citizenship, which implies women from other nations come to the U.S. to give birth in a calculated move to gain U.S. citizenship. 

In November 2015, Trump told Fox News host Bill O'Reilly, "You don’t have to do a constitutional amendment. You need an act of Congress.
I’m telling you – you need an act of Congress. Everybody thought you needed a constitutional amendment. You don’t need that." 

Now it appears Trump has concluded that even an act of Congress is unnecessary and can be sidestepped with an executive order. 

All we have to do is go back to Congress and have a rather routine — it’s been fully vetted now, Bill. I was right on the anchor babies.

One of Trump's first acts as president was to immigration from a number of predominantly Muslim nations, a move that was first blocked by the courts but after some modification was eventually upheld by the Supreme Court. 

This year, the administration sparked outraged opposition when it began an overt policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the U.S. border. That policy was also blocked by court decisions. 

And in recent days Trump has railed against a "caravan" of Central American migrants traveling to the U.S.-Mexico border in search of asylum from the poverty and violence in the their home countries. The president has said the group constitutes "an invasion" and that it includes
"gang members" and "very bad people." 

[GMDino]

While it will stun some here the POTUS was incorrect that we are the only country that offers this:


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-offer-birthright-citizenship.html

[CKwi88]

While I'd keep an open mind to the idea, an executive order is absolutely the wrong means to do it.

[treee]

(10-30-2018, 09:43 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: an executive order is absolutely the wrong means to do it.

Considering it'd directly conflict the 14th amendment to the constitution, I'd be inclined to agree.

[Dill]

(10-30-2018, 09:49 AM)treee Wrote: Considering it'd directly conflict the 14th amendment to the constitution, I'd be inclined to agree.

LOL the party of Lincoln.

[Dill]

(10-30-2018, 09:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: While it will stun some here the POTUS was incorrect that we are the only country that offers this:


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-offer-birthright-citizenship.html

VENEZUELA!  Of course.  Do we want to be SOCIALIST!?!?

Crazy that all these former colonies in the Americas don't connect blood and soil.

Will Trump get our country squared away before midterms? 

LOL better than the wall if you want secure those wavering red states.

[*michaelsean*]

I'm pretty sure he's wrong, and I still like the idea that if you are born here then you are a citizen. Obviously it can be abused, but for me that's the #1 maker of a citizen. You were born here.

[*Nately120*]

I only wish I could go back in time and tell my newborn grandparents to get their freeloading asses back to Italy and Ireland.

[Au165]

I think the scariest thing is he thinks he can change a constitutional amendment with an executive order. Seriously, let that sink in for a minute.

[CKwi88]

(10-30-2018, 12:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think the scariest thing is he thinks he can change a constitutional amendment with an executive order. Seriously, let that sink in for a minute.

Or the "best people" that he clearly surrounded himself with.

[GMDino]

(10-30-2018, 12:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think the scariest thing is he thinks he can change a constitutional amendment with an executive order. Seriously, let that sink in for a minute.

(10-30-2018, 12:30 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Or the "best people" that he clearly surrounded himself with.

Or the voters who still support him.

[Belsnickel]

(10-30-2018, 12:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think the scariest thing is he thinks he can change a constitutional amendment with an executive order. Seriously, let that sink in for a minute.

Yup.

(10-30-2018, 12:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Or the voters who still support him.

Double yup.

[Yojimbo]

(10-30-2018, 12:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think the scariest thing is he thinks he can change a constitutional amendment with an executive order. Seriously, let that sink in for a minute.

I don’t think he believes that at all. He believes that his supporters will believe anything he says and he’s trying to drum up enthusiasm for the midterms with bigot whistles.

[BengalHawk62]

(10-30-2018, 12:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Or the voters who still support him.

Ding-Ding-Ding! Winner-winner.  

Its everyone who has a HUGE (Really YUGE) Trump sign in their front lawns that bothers me most.  Which is really, everyone in my neighborhood. 


I'm telling ya, he's going to try to end the 2 term limit before its all said and done.  how could he possibly get everything on his list done in 8 years?  and my neighbors and everyone like them, are going to eat it up. I can hear the '4 more years' chant now.  Steve King and the likes will be shouting from the mountaintops to give this man 4 more years.  Make America Great Again hats will be flying off the shelves.

[Benton]

(10-30-2018, 10:38 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm pretty sure he's wrong, and I still like the idea that if you are born here then you are a citizen.  Obviously it can be abused, but for me that's the #1 maker of a citizen.  You were born here.

That's antiquated. Back 2,000 years ago when America was founded by Southern Baptists, people had to walk thousands of miles across dangerous Muslim and Communist countries just to get to Ellis Island. Those people — many of whom were great people from the exalted free Russia and even those limp waisted Europeans — earned a chance to be here. That's not the same as these monsters, many of whom I hear are Muslims from South America that are being brought here by a Jewish billionaire. Let that sink in: this billionaire — who ran away from millions of hard working Germans back in the 40s — has spent, I'm told, billions to impregnate millions of Muslim Latin America women, and then ship them within walking distance of America, just so they can have anchor babies who will join MS13 or MSNBC.

[Yojimbo]

Saw a good counterpoint. If Trump can do this, then the next Dem president can just sign an executive order ending the 2nd amendment.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-30-2018, 04:14 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Saw a good counterpoint. If Trump can do this, then the next Dem president can just sign an executive order ending the 2nd amendment.

Oops. Somebody slipped.  

[BmorePat87]

Obviously he cannot. Congressional Republicans are lining up to state this.

What is more concerning to me is the fact that he has no issue stating an outright lie like "we're only only country that does it" in reference to birth right citizenship, but when the media corrects yet another of his hundreds of outright lies since taking office, they are denounced as "fake" by his supporters. Hell, even people who claim not to be outright supporters of us still take part in the vilification of the media for their attempts to report the truth.

[fredtoast]

Waiting for the "Obama did this first" comment from the usual crowd.

[*Nately120*]

(10-30-2018, 04:14 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Saw a good counterpoint. If Trump can do this, then the next Dem president can just sign an executive order ending the 2nd amendment.

The threat of a democrat ending the 2nd amendment has been the crux of republican votes for generations.  Nothing Trump does will change that.

No matter what happens and no matter what the democrat candidate says in 2020 he/she will apparently be running on a platform of taking your guns.  As a bonus, minorities of all kinds will be more dangerous and plentiful.