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SCOTUS and Gun Rights
#1
As some of you may remember, there was a NYC gun rights case that was dismissed by the court this year as moot. There was discussion that this maybe wasn't the "right" case to challenge the gun laws and that Kavanaugh had suggested they take one up soon. Well, there were 10 that got looked at this past month, and the court decided to not hear any of them.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/06/after-long-wait-court-spurns-gun-rights-challenges/

Quote:In late April the Supreme Court sent a challenge to the constitutionality of New York City’s ban on the transport of handguns outside the city back to the lower court without ruling on whether the ban was constitutional. By a vote of 6-3, the justices concluded that the case was moot – that is, no longer a live controversy – because the city had changed the rule last year. In a concurring opinion, Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested that the lower courts “may not be properly applying” the Supreme Court’s most recent gun rights rulings, and he recommended that the justices take up another Second Amendment case “soon.”

The justices seemed to poised to do exactly that: Shortly after issuing the decision in the New York case, the court distributed for consideration at their May 1 conference 10 gun rights cases that had been on hold, presumably waiting for a ruling on the merits in the New York case. The justices considered the cases at six consecutive conferences this spring. The conventional wisdom was that – in light of their earlier decision to take the New York case and Kavanaugh’s concurring opinion – the justices would inevitably grant at least one of the 10 cases, and the delay was likely due to the justices’ desire to choose the most appropriate case or cases from the group. However, today the justices denied review in all 10 cases. Although there is no way to know what’s going on behind the scenes, today’s orders suggest that even if there are four justices among the court’s conservative wing who may be in favor of taking up another Second Amendment case, there is not an appetite to do so now – perhaps because they may not be certain of a fifth vote on their side.

The court denied nine of the 10 petitions without comment, in cursory notations on today’s order list. Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from the denial of review in Rogers v. Grewal, a case that hailed from New Jersey, which grants licenses to carry a handgun in public only if the applicant can show a “justifiable need.” The state has defined “justifiable need” to mean “a special danger to life that” can only be avoided with a permit to carry a gun; Thomas Rogers, a New Jersey resident who runs a large automatic-teller business and applied in 2017 for a public-carry permit, argued that these restrictions violate the Second Amendment – which, he said, makes clear that there is a general right to carry handguns outside the home.

In a 19-page opinion that was joined in part by Kavanaugh, Thomas lamented that “[o]ne would think that such an onerous burden” as the New Jersey scheme “on a fundamental right would warrant this Court’s review.” For example, Thomas observed, the Supreme Court “would almost certainly review the constitutionality of a law requiring citizens to establish a justifiable need before exercising their free speech rights,” and “it seems highly unlikely that the Court would allow a State to enforce a law requiring a woman to provide a justifiable need before seeking an abortion.” However, today the Supreme Court “simply looks the other way” when “faced with a petition challenging just such a restriction on citizens’ Second Amendment rights.”

Thomas argued that Rogers’ case would have given the justices a chance to “provide guidance on the proper approach for evaluating Second Amendment claims,” “acknowledge that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry in public” and resolve a division among the lower courts on whether restrictions like New Jersey’s are constitutional. For that reason, he would have granted Rogers’ petition for review.
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#2
Very frustrated by this.  There are four, solidly, pro 2A justices in the court right now.  The speculation is that Roberts has turned into a milksop and is the new swing vote on the court.  As much as I dislike Trump we need another conservative justice or we're back to stalemate on this issue.  On a side note, I'll be very interested in seeing if your prediction on Virginia proves true.
#3
Didn't they also say they won't look at the qualified immunity for police?

That's a big one too.

Naturally they are being accused of judicial advocacy on line in this and the LGBTQ case.
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#4
When my conservative friends were cheering for Big K to get on the court to "fix" all the conservative issues (abortion, gun rights, etc) I cautioned them that they would likely be very disappointed. This isn't a conservative court, it's a pro corporate court. The only issues theyll be fixing are giving corporations more freedom.
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(06-16-2020, 03:22 AM)Benton Wrote: When my conservative friends were cheering for  Big K to get on the court to "fix" all the conservative issues (abortion, gun rights, etc) I cautioned them that they would likely be very disappointed. This isn't a conservative court, it's a pro corporate court. The only issues theyll be fixing are giving corporations more freedom.

Cant they just run this country like a business......that sells guns?
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(06-16-2020, 03:22 AM)Benton Wrote: When my conservative friends were cheering for  Big K to get on the court to "fix" all the conservative issues (abortion, gun rights, etc) I cautioned them that they would likely be very disappointed. This isn't a conservative court, it's a pro corporate court. The only issues theyll be fixing are giving corporations more freedom.

Kavanaugh isn't the issue on the 2A cases, Roberts is.  Roberts is the new swing vote on the court.  Kavanaugh is extremely pro 2A.
#7
(06-16-2020, 03:22 AM)Benton Wrote: When my conservative friends were cheering for  Big K to get on the court to "fix" all the conservative issues (abortion, gun rights, etc) I cautioned them that they would likely be very disappointed. This isn't a conservative court, it's a pro corporate court. The only issues theyll be fixing are giving corporations more freedom.

Yeah, we got a nice new arbitration agreement at my place of employment once the Trump justices were seated.  We can no longer sue them, and if we have a grievance, we get to pick from one of a small number of their arbitrators, lol.  Also, no class action ever. 

Funniest part was, the people who were the most upset about the announcement were the Trump fans.  They think they dun got thur freedumb took by the boss, when in reality they took it from themselves voting for a guy that would install justices who would provide that option for employers.  MAGA!
#8
Cracks me up when gun rights activists talk about "Pro 2A" when what they really mean is "Pro 2A while ignoring the part of 2A that mentions the militia".

Just ask how many of them are willing to sign up as members of the State militia in order to secure their gun rights.
#9
(06-16-2020, 04:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Cracks me up when gun rights activists talk about "Pro 2A" when what they really mean is "Pro 2A while ignoring the part of 2A that mentions the militia".

Just ask how many of them are willing to sign up as members of the State militia in order to secure their gun rights.


No one ignores it because the militia is all men of fighting age.  This isn't in dispute by any serious constitutional scholar.  It was also reaffirmed by the SCOTUS post Civil War.  Since we live in a more egalitarian age I think we can extend the right to own a firearm to all people, not just men.  Or do you disagree?  Also Heller clearly stated that the right to own a firearm for person protection is guaranteed by the second amendment.  Quit simply, you couldn't be more incorrect with this attempt at an argument.

You still did an excellent job in the "What comes next" thread, so kudos on that.





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