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(10-15-2015, 01:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: One thing that took me from pro choice to pro life was that I asked myself if that was my baby what would I do .... That and there are so many other options that woman could avoid the vacuum. Whether they wanted to abort their baby or even get it adopted.
One thing that keeps me in the pro-choice camp, even as much as I dislike the idea of abortion, is that there are far too many variables to account for in each situation that will be different to be taken into account in a fair, objective way in any law that could be passed regarding the restriction/criminalization of abortion.
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(10-15-2015, 01:44 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well this is a thread about abortion. That's killing babies.... Going to war is hardly the same thing. Yes some children are killed in war zones but it's not the mass slaughter.
Show me where we have killed more children in Iraq than we have aborted.
You asked for an example. I gave you one. I'm not taking about the unintentional collateral damage which is certain to happen. I'm talking about killing the enemy which the Bible condones. Why is it okay to kill the enemy for having weapons of mass destruction which they didn't have? Explain how killing adults for weapons they don't possess isn't murder? Why is murder okay when you say it is okay?
Quote:As for why we went to war, it's was supported by both parties.
Based upon what we now know were a pack of lies.
Quote: personally I would love to see them revote every three years to renew the authority to go to war. It's annoying that there is no expiration.
Agreed.
Quote:And when you put limitations on the troops it drags this all out. When we send in troops we need to give them no limits so they can finish it and get out.
What limits? I didn't have any limits except the normal ROEs expected IAW the law of warfare.
Quote: They don't need to police the country while big business nation builds.
Agreed. The military should be in the business of war fighting, not nation building. So what's the plan after removing a country's government?
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(10-15-2015, 03:17 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: You certainly know of the convoy that head into Syria, right ?
I know we didn't stop it in time to verify it physically, but intelligence and recon reported transport of chemical weapons.
I know we cannot link that convoy with what Assad used, but it really seems to help line things up.
I know you were probably referring to the whole uranium enrichment program, but I feel as if the chemical weapons should be regarded as WMD's seeing as they could be attached to scuds.
I'm sure you are aware of the CIA's report that stated there weren't any WMDs except for some Gulf War era in disrepair and unusable. The uranium program is only part of the WMD hoax.
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(10-15-2015, 03:30 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I'm sure you are aware of the CIA's report that stated there weren't any WMDs except for some Gulf War era in disrepair and unusable. The uranium program is only part of the WMD hoax.
I know the yellowcake purchase was BS and the mobile chemical labs and centrifuges were all junk.
I'm referring to the huge convoy that headed into Syria.
Was that disproven and I'm not aware of it ?
http://blog.usni.org/2012/07/20/iraq-chemical-weapons-moved-to-syria-before-2003-invasion
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-10-29/news/0310290219_1_illicit-weapons-clapper-weapons-inspector
I know this is all off-topic and I apologize.
If I did miss it being disproved, just let me know, and I'll jump back out of here.
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(10-15-2015, 03:49 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I know the yellowcake purchase was BS and the mobile chemical labs and centrifuges were all junk.
I'm referring to the huge convoy that headed into Syria.
Was that disproven and I'm not aware of it ?
http://blog.usni.org/2012/07/20/iraq-chemical-weapons-moved-to-syria-before-2003-invasion
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-10-29/news/0310290219_1_illicit-weapons-clapper-weapons-inspector
I know this is all off-topic and I apologize.
If I did miss it being disproved, just let me know, and I'll jump back out of here.
I'll answer your question with a question. Have they disproved Big Foot? I'll tell you what I know with 100% certainty. Last OPORD before we invaded Iraq, we were told Baghdad was the single most likely place Saddam would use WMDs if he used them. Before we assaulted Baghdad, we were told we could put all our MOPP gear away including our masks. In other words, I was more likely to come under a chemical attack during Basic Training FTX from the drill sergeants with CS grenades than the threat I encountered in Baghdad. In less than three weeks. Before we even assaulted Baghdad.
If you were told you didn't need your NBC protective equipment before you assaulted (and secured) the single most likely location they told you WMDs would be used less than 3 weeks ago, what would you conclude?
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(10-15-2015, 06:55 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Not a single one of those state that gametes are a stage of development. They do show what I've already said and that is that gametes are a PART of a stage of human development.
I showed the stages of a frog life cycle. You complain it isn't human, but say nothing about the stages which included gametes. I showed you gametogenesis is a stage of development in the frog's life cycle and you didn't dispute it. I showed you the stages of a human life cycle. You complain it isn't labeled. Give me a ******' break.
I already showed you gametogenesis is a stage of development in the frog life cycle. The species of the life cycle is irrelevant. Gametogenesis is a stage in the development of any species which undergoes sexual reproduction.
And you were complaining about other people denying human development. LMMFAO!
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(10-15-2015, 07:36 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I showed the stages of a frog life cycle. You complain it isn't human, but say nothing about the stages which included gametes. I showed you gametogenesis is a stage of development in the frog's life cycle and you didn't dispute it. I showed you the stages of a human life cycle. You complain it isn't labeled. Give me a ******' break.
I already showed you gametogenesis is a stage of development in the frog life cycle. The species of the life cycle is irrelevant. Gametogenesis is a stage in the development of any species which undergoes sexual reproduction.
And you were complaining about other people denying human development. LMMFAO!
Gametogenesis is the process in which gametes are formed. Gametogenesis is NOT gametes. YOU claimed that gametes were a stage of development. They are NOT. They are A PART of a stage of development and they are necessary for development but they, in and of themselves are not a stage of development. You keep claiming that gametes are a stage of development and have yet to have proved your case.
Either post something from a reputable source that clearly and unequivocally states that GAMETES are a stage of development or that you "misspoke" and meant that "gametogenesis" is a stage of development.
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Do you know why there are pictures of the different stages of a life cycle?
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF A LIFE CYCLE.
Daayyyyuuuummmmn!!!!11
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(10-15-2015, 07:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Gametogenesis is the process in which gametes are formed. Gametogenesis is NOT gametes. YOU claimed that gametes were a stage of development. They are NOT. They are A PART of a stage of development and they are necessary for development but they, in and of themselves are not a stage of development. You keep claiming that gametes are a stage of development and have yet to have proved your case.
Either post something from a reputable source that clearly and unequivocally states that GAMETES are a stage of development or that you "misspoke" and meant that "gametogenesis" is a stage of development.
You've got to be ***** kidding me with this bullshit.
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(10-15-2015, 07:50 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Do you know why there are pictures of the different stages of a life cycle?
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF A LIFE CYCLE.
Daayyyyuuuummmmn!!!!11
It's like talking to a wall. These are the STAGES of development from your frog image (cause the other is way too small to be of any use): GAMETOGENESIS, FERTILIZATION, METAMORPHOSIS, ETC. Gametes is not listed. Hmm? I wonder why? Maybe because they are not a STAGE of development?
(10-15-2015, 07:51 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You've got to be ***** kidding me with this bullshit.
Yes, I'm tired of your bullshit.
Medical definitions of "gamete":
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gamete
Quote:gamete
[gam´ēt]
1. one of two haploid reproductive cells, male (spermatozoon) and female (oocyte), whose union is necessary in sexual reproduction toinitiate the development of a new individual.
2. the malarial parasite in its sexual form in a mosquito's stomach, either male (microgamete) or female (macrogamete); the latter is fertilizedby the former to develop into an ookinete. adj., adj gamet´ic.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
gam·ete
(gam'ēt),
1. One of two haploid cells that can undergo karyogamy.
2. Any germ cell, whether oocyte or sperm.
[G. gametēs, husband; gametē, wife]
Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary Farlex 2012
gamete
/gam·ete/ (gam´ēt)
1. one of two haploid reproductive cells, male (spermatozoon) and female (oocyte), whose union is necessary in sexual reproductionto initiate the development of a new individual.
2. the malarial parasite in its sexual form in a mosquito's stomach, either male (microgamete) or female (macrogamete); the latter isfertilized by the former to develop into an ookinete.gamet´ic
Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
gam·ete
(găm′ēt′, gə-mēt′)
n.
A reproductive cell having the haploid number of chromosomes, especially a sperm or egg capable of fusing with a gamete of theopposite sex to produce a fertilized egg.
The American Heritage Medical Dictionary Copyright 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
gamete
[gam′ēt]
Etymology: Gk, marriage partner
1 a mature male or female germ cell that is capable of functioning in fertilization or conjugation and contains the haploid number ofchromosomes of the organism.
2 an ovum or a spermatozoon. See also meiosis. gametic, adj.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. 2009, Elsevier.
gamete
Genetics A mature ♀ or ♂ reproductive cell–sperm or ovum/egg with a haploid set of chromosomes–23 for humans. See[/url]Chromosome, Haploid, Macrogamete, Microgamete, Nullisomic gamete.
McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
gam·ete
(gam'ēt)
1. One of two haploid cells undergoing karyogamy.
2. Any germ cell, whether oocyte or sperm.
[G. gametēs, husband; gametē, wife]
Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing Farlex 2012
Gamete
An egg (ovum) from the female or a mature sperm from the male.
Mentioned in: Infertility Therapies
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
gamete
a haploid germ cell; one of two cells, male (spermatozoon) and female (ovum), whose union is necessary in sexual reproduction toinitiate the development of a new individual.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
Notice not a SINGLE definition claims that gametes are a STAGE of development.
Let's compare that with "embryo"
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/embryo
Quote:embryo
[em´bre-o]
a new organism in the earliest stage of development. In humans this is defined as the developing organism from the fourth day afterfertilization to the end of the eighth week. After that the unborn baby is usually referred to as the fetus. adj., adj em´bryonal, embryon´ic.
Immediately after fertilization takes place, cell division begins and progresses at a rapid rate. At approximately 4 weeks the cell massbecomes a recognizable embryo from 7 to 10 mm long with rudimentary organs. The beginnings of the eyes, ears, and extremities can beseen. By the end of the second month the embryo has grown to a length of 2 to 2.5 cm, and the head is the most prominent part because ofthe rapid development of the brain; the sex can be distinguished at this stage.
At the time of fertilization the ovum contains the potential beginnings of a human being. As cell division takes place the cells of theblastoderm (embryonic disk) gradually form three layers from which all the body structures develop. The ectoderm (outer layer) gives rise tothe epidermis of the skin and its appendages, and to the nervous system. The mesoderm (middle layer) develops into muscle, connectivetissue, the circulatory organs, circulating lymph and blood cells, endothelial tissues within the closed vessels and cavities, and the epitheliumportion of the urogenital system. From the endoderm (internal layer) are derived those portions not arising from the ectoderm, the liver, thepancreas, and the lungs.
![[Image: X2604-E-23.png]](http://img2.tfd.com/mk/E/X2604-E-23.png) Embryonic development from 3 weeks through the eighth week after fertilization. CRL is crown-to-rumplength. From McKinney et al., 2000.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
em·bry·o
(em'brē-ō),
1. An organism in the early stages of development.
2. In humans, the developing organism from conception until the end of the eighth month; developmental stages from this time to birthare commonly designated as fetal.
3. A primordial plant within a seed.
[G. embryon, fr. en, in, + bryō, to be full, swell]
Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary Farlex 2012
embryo
/em·bryo/ (em´bre-o)
1. in animals, those derivatives of the zygote that eventually become the offspring, during their period of most rapid growth, i.e., fromthe time the long axis appears until all major structures are represented.
2. in humans, the developing organism from fertilization to the end of the eighth week. Cf. fetus.
3. in plants, the element of the seed that develops into a new individual.em´bryonalembryon´ic
presomite embryo the embryo at any stage before the appearance of the first somite.
previllous embryo the embryo before the placental chorionic villi develop.
somite embryo the embryo between the appearance of the first and the last somites.
Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
em·bry·o
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embryo
Clockwise from top left: human embryo atfive, seven, and eight weeks ofdevelopment
(ĕm′brē-ō′)
n. pl. em·bry·os
1. An organism in its early stages of development, especially before it has reached adistinctively recognizable form.
2. An organism at any time before full development, birth, or hatching.
3. The fertilized egg of a vertebrate animal following cleavage.
4. In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth weekof development.
The American Heritage Medical Dictionary Copyright 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
embryo
[em′brē·ō]
Etymology: Gk, en, in, bryein, to grow
1 any organism in the earliest stages of development.
2 In humans the stage of prenatal development from the time of fertilization of the ovum (conception) until the end of the eighth week. Theperiod is characterized by rapid growth, differentiation of the major organ systems, and development of the main external features.Compare fetus, zygote. embryonal, embryonic, embryonoid, adj.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. 2009, Elsevier.
embryo
An early stages of a developing organism, which follows fertilization of an egg including implantation and very earlypregnancy–ie, from conception to the 8th wk of pregnancy. See Preembryo. Cf Fetus.
McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
em·bry·o
(em'brē-ō)
1. An organism in the early stages of development.
2. In humans, the developing organism from conception until the end of the eighth week; developmental stages from this time to birthare commonly designated as fetal.
3. A primordial plant within a seed.
[G. embryon, fr. en, in, + bryō, to be full, swell]
Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing Farlex 2012
embryo
(em′brē-ō″) [Gr. embryon, growing inside]
1. The young of any organism in an early stage of development.
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STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT OF HUMANEMBRYO INCLUDING MATURE FETUS
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STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT OF HUMANEMBRYO INCLUDING MATURE FETUS
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STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT OF HUMANEMBRYO INCLUDING MATURE FETUS
2. In mammals, the stage of prenatal development between fertilized ovum andfetus. See: tableillustration
Development
First week after fertilization: The zygote begins a series of mitotic divisions calledcleavage and forms a morula, a solid sphere of cells. The morula develops into ablastocyst, which has an outer trophoblast and an inner cell mass. The trophoblastgives rise to the chorion, and after implantation in the uterus, becomes the fetalplacenta. Second week: The amniotic cavity and yolk sac form within the inner cellmass; they are separated by the embryonic disk, which at this time consists ofectoderm and endoderm. Third week: Mesoderm develops between ectoderm andendoderm; all three germ layers are established.
The epithelium of the alimentary canal, liver, pancreas, and lungs develops fromendoderm. Muscle, all connective tissues, blood, lymphatic tissue, and theepithelium of blood vessels, body cavities, kidneys, gonads, and suprarenal cortexdevelop from mesoderm. The epidermis, nervous tissue, hypophysis, and theepithelium of the nasal cavity, mouth, salivary glands, bladder, and urethra developfrom ectoderm.
Embryo (Third through eighth weeks): The embryo increases in length from about1.5 mm to 23 mm. The organ systems develop and the embryo begins to showhuman form. During this period of organogenesis, the embryo is particularlysensitive to the effects of viral infections of the mother, e.g., rubella, and toxicchemicals, including alcohol and tobacco smoke, and is sensitive to hypoxemia.
Ectoderm
Mesoderm
Endoderm
Nervous tissue
Bone, cartilage,and otherconnectivetissues
Epithelium of respiratory tract exceptnose; digestive tract except mouth andanal canal; bladder except trigone
Sense organs
Male andfemalereproductivetracts
Proximal portion of male urethra
Epidermis, nails, and hairfollicles
Heart, bloodvessels, andlymphatics
Female urethra
Epithelium of external andinternal ear, nasal cavity andsinuses, mouth, anal canal
Kidneys,ureters, trigoneof bladder
Liver
Distal portion of male urethra
Pleura,peritoneum, andpericardium
Pancreas
Skeletal muscle
Medical Dictionary, 2009 Farlex and Partners
Embryo
In humans, the developing individual from the time of implantation to about the end of the second month after conception. From the thirdmonth to the point of delivery, the individual is called a fetus.
Mentioned in: [url=http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/birth+defects]Birth Defects, Childbirth, Echinococcosis, Ectopic Pregnancy, Gene Therapy, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Pregnancy Test, Hypogonadism, Infertility, Miscarriage, Pregnancy, Puberty, Stem Cell Transplantation
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
embryo
the developing child from conception until 8 weeks in utero, after which it is considered as a fetus
Illustrated Dictionary of Podiatry and Foot Science by Jean Mooney 2009 Elsevier Limited. All rights reserved.
embryo,
n the fertilized ovum, while in its primary developmental stage, two to eight weeks after implantation in the mother's womb.
Jonas: Mosby's Dictionary of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. © 2005, Elsevier.
em·bry·o
(em'brē-ō)
In humans, developing organism from conception until end of the eighth week; developmental stages from this time to birth arecommonly designated as fetal.
[G. embryon, fr. en, in, + bryō, to be full, swell]
Medical Dictionary for the Dental Professions Farlex 2012
embryo
(em´brēō),
n an organism in the earliest stages of development; the stage between the time of implantation of the fertilized ovum until the end ofthe seventh or eighth week of gestation.
Mosby's Dental Dictionary, 2nd edition. 2008 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
embryo
a new organism in the earliest stage of development, i.e. from the time that the fertilized embryo begins to develop a long axis up tothe time that the major structures have begun to develop, when it becomes a fetus.
embryo collection
collection of an embryo from the genital tract for the purposes of embryo transfer; surgical and nonsurgical techniques available.
embryo cryopreservation
preservation of embryos by freezing.
hexacanth embryo
the larva with six hooks present in the cestode egg when it escapes from the uterus of the adult tapeworm. Called also oncosphere.
embryo micromanipulation
handling of an embryo under a microscope, for examination, dissection.
embryo transfer
collection of fertilized ova from one female before they become implanted and transfer to another female to complete the gestation.The donor is usually superovulated and then inseminated. Collection may be surgical via a laparotomy or nonsurgical by flushingthrough the cervix. Collected embryos must be stored carefully. They are evaluated in terms of fertilization, possibly cleavedartificially to create clones, and washed to eliminate the possibility of transferring infection with the embryo. Long-term storage byfreezing is a practicable procedure. The recipient needs to be in appropriate stage of uterine receptivity, effected by synchronizingthe estrus cycle with that of the donor.
embryo transplant
see embryo transfer (above).
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
Constantly referred to as a stage of development (my favorite, of course, is when they say it's the EARLIEST stage of development).
GAMETES are NOT a stage of development.
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(10-15-2015, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I'll answer your question with a question. Have they disproved Big Foot? I'll tell you what I know with 100% certainty. Last OPORD before we invaded Iraq, we were told Baghdad was the single most likely place Saddam would use WMDs if he used them. Before we assaulted Baghdad, we were told we could put all our MOPP gear away including our masks. In other words, I was more likely to come under a chemical attack during Basic Training FTX from the drill sergeants with CS grenades than the threat I encountered in Baghdad. In less than three weeks. Before we even assaulted Baghdad.
If you were told you didn't need your NBC protective equipment before you assaulted (and secured) the single most likely location they told you WMDs would be used less than 3 weeks ago, what would you conclude?
Yeah, I've had friends tell me about that.
So, I understand why you have your position.
I guess we'll just leave this as it is, as this is not the thread for it.
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Do the two guys trying to prove how smart they are (how wrong the other is) realize how silly they look?
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(10-15-2015, 08:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do the two guys trying to prove how smart they are (how wrong the other is) realize how silly they look?
I don't about oncemore, but I don't care.
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(10-15-2015, 08:19 PM)PhilHos Wrote: It's like talking to a wall. These are the STAGES of development from your frog image (cause the other is way too small to be of any use): GAMETOGENESIS, FERTILIZATION, METAMORPHOSIS, ETC. Gametes is not listed. Hmm? I wonder why? Maybe because they are not a STAGE of development?
Yes, I'm tired of your bullshit.
Medical definitions of "gamete":
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gamete
Notice not a SINGLE definition claims that gametes are a STAGE of development.
Let's compare that with "embryo"
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/embryo
Constantly referred to as a stage of development (my favorite, of course, is when they say it's the EARLIEST stage of development).
GAMETES are NOT a stage of development.
The life cycle diagrams show the stages of a life cycle. A zygote is the stage of development after fertilization as gametes are the stage of development after gametogenesis as an embryo and embryogenesis. You have successfully proven your point that people will go to great lengths to deny a stage of human development is a stage of human development and reminded me I don't have the patience to be a teacher. Congrats.
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(10-15-2015, 08:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do the two guys trying to prove how smart they are (how wrong the other is) realize how silly they look?
I'm not trying to prove how smart I am.
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This thread is getting boring.
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I love abortion! It's AWESOME.
There, that should bring it back to life.
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(10-15-2015, 03:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'd prefer to take my chances.
Fair enough, we disagree, but fair enough.
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(10-15-2015, 09:15 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: This thread is getting boring.
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I love abortion! It's AWESOME.
There, that should bring it back to life.
Do you take it with bbq sauce ?
The whole PP revelation exposed you liberals to be cannibals, right ?
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(10-16-2015, 07:35 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Do you take it with bbq sauce ?
The whole PP revelation exposed you liberals to be cannibals, right ?
I prefer sriracha sauce on all my unborn gametes, or zygotes, which ever comes first.
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