04-23-2016, 09:08 PM
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The Conspiracy Thread
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04-24-2016, 03:39 PM
This thread died out rather quickly. Must have been a conspiracy to silence DA from revealing the truth to the blissfully unaware masses.
04-24-2016, 03:51 PM
Stumbled across some videos on YouTube called The Empire Files. The series is documentary/reporting style on the rise and abuses of the U.S. empire. A little too "scary" themed for me to take too seriously, but some of the stuff about the Clintons and Bushes is pretty damning.
04-24-2016, 04:10 PM
(04-24-2016, 03:39 PM)Beaker Wrote: This thread died out rather quickly. Must have been a conspiracy to silence DA from revealing the truth to the blissfully unaware masses. Hardly. Just haven't had much time to post this weekend.
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04-24-2016, 04:15 PM
(04-22-2016, 02:58 PM)Benton Wrote: ACE was in charge of updating the elevator system. State-of-the-art 30 years earlier was horribly out-of-date for building codes. If I'm remembering, part of ACE's job was to install safety locks on elevators so people couldn't open the doors. You're making things up. And I've already addressed most of this except the idea that secrets can't be held by more than a handful of people, particularly dozens if not hundreds of them. Well I'm here to tell you that there's several ways to keep a secret. The military and congress do it all the time.
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04-24-2016, 04:19 PM
(04-22-2016, 06:04 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: And keep them all quiet. My problem with the whole thing, and yes, I said I wasn't coming back in here, is this. The amount of people that would have been involved in this CT would number in the hundreds, cross political party lines, and even other governments. I say there is NO WAY that somebody who was directly involved wouldn't have talked. One way of keeping secrets is compartmentalizations. There are no political lines. They're all buddies with each other. Other governments have said its a conspiracy.
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04-24-2016, 04:55 PM
04-24-2016, 04:56 PM
04-24-2016, 05:58 PM
(04-22-2016, 11:04 PM)Beaker Wrote: No its not. Its a classic case of making something fit a narrative after the fact. You could do the same thing by saying something like "looking at visitor sign in logs showed that lots of muslims visited the towers in the two years leading up to the attack, that was plenty of opportunity for them to plant explosives". That's how ridiculous the whole elevator service company as evidence speculation is. Not to mention how stupid the whole inside job speculation is. Nothing I've presented describes What you're accusing me of. I have given facts. You guys have only said 'nuh uh'. If anyone here can be accused of fitting the narrative, it's you and a few others. Some of you are even making stuff up. Besides, your analogy here is just stupid. If you can't figure out why, then I can't help you. Until any of you present something new ... hell, present anything, that debunks what I've posed, I'll consider the point of ACE elevator company A solid victory for conspiracy analysts. I will not address ad hominems or Strawman again concerning this point of ACE elevator company. As Sgt Joe Friday famously said 'Just the facts ma'am'. So, piss or get off the pot.
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04-24-2016, 06:02 PM
(04-24-2016, 04:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Like what? Compartmentalization. Mutually assured differences, like how politicians deal with each other. Bribery. Threats. Payoffs Sex I mean, shall I go on?
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04-24-2016, 06:06 PM
(04-24-2016, 04:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Businesses would not give up millions of hard earned dollars to back one candidate over another if they were all working together. They sure would if there was benefit of some type to be had, mutually or exclusively. Not only that, millions of dollars ain't what it used to be, lol.
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04-24-2016, 06:30 PM
(04-24-2016, 05:58 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Until any of you present something new ... hell, present anything, that debunks what I've posed, I'll consider the point of ACE elevator company A solid victory for conspiracy analysts. The only "fact" you posted is that one elevator company outbid another and got a big job, and then claimed that's evidence for conspiracy. And BTW....you did exactly what I claimed....you made the facts attempt to fit the narrative you wish to spin on it in hindsight.
04-24-2016, 07:24 PM
(04-24-2016, 06:30 PM)Beaker Wrote: The only "fact" you posted is that one elevator company outbid another and got a big job, and then claimed that's evidence for conspiracy. And BTW....you did exactly what I claimed....you made the facts attempt to fit the narrative you wish to spin on it in hindsight. Fact 1) ACE takes over elevator operations, despite being unknown, of the most prestigious elevator system in the world. Fact 2) ACE barely has any publicity, advertisement or offices or a got damn web page. Fact 3) ACE employees withdraw from scene, despite safety regulations requiring them to be on scene to help with, you know, the elevators in case of emergency. Fact 4) Despite a large insurance settlement which presumably paid ACE, they file bankruptcy listing some few hundred thousands in assets but millions in debt. Fact 5) the company that invented the got damn elevator had the contract, exemplified a willingness to support emergency response in 1993, but lost lost the contract less than 1 year later to again, an unknown company. Fact 6)the core supports of the the WTC were guess where? Yes in the elevator shafts. Fact 7) workers and tenants complained of elevators being down in months leading up to 9/11 Fact 8)despite the word 'elevator' being mentioned countless times in the OS, 'ACE' is nowhere to be found Fact 9)It is extremely difficult to find any info about this company. Fact 10)credible eyewitnesses report hearing explosions. Fact 11)gravity does not send debri flying 100+ yards away Fact 12)the buildings fell at (near) free fall speed into their own footprint. I can go on and on ...
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04-24-2016, 07:26 PM
(04-24-2016, 06:32 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: I'm getting outta' this thread. No offense DA, but you're nuts. Well, this is where the big boys play so ...
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04-24-2016, 08:39 PM
(04-24-2016, 07:24 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Fact 1) ACE takes over elevator operations, despite being unknown, of the most prestigious elevator system in the world.
04-24-2016, 09:34 PM
(04-24-2016, 07:26 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Well, this is where the big boys play so ... Well. I guess I'm not as big of a boy as you. This response sorta' dissolves your "song" post. But that's alright, live your life looking over your shoulder.
04-24-2016, 09:53 PM
Ok, 9/11 is getting stale here......
DA..... while it's been around for quite some time, what are your thoughts on ECHELON and how it has advanced ? Side question...... are you aware of any health issues it may have created ? Another topic...... What is the skinny on Obama's Racial Database ?
04-24-2016, 10:08 PM
(04-24-2016, 09:34 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: Well. I guess I'm not as big of a boy as you. This response sorta' dissolves your "song" post. But that's alright, live your life looking over your shoulder. Not really. That thread is separate from this one. In this thread you've called me nuts and implied that I am bizarre and now have said that I'm paranoid. I don't really care but if you're gonna go that route then don't get defensive if I reply to it. Though, I said I wouldn't reply to such things, so on that front, I Apologize. I don't take anything here personally and hope you feel the same. I do hope you stick around though as this is a fun place to be.
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04-24-2016, 10:30 PM
@Beaker
They were unknown Yeah, they gained the most coveted job in the industry Without a budget. Seems legit. Yes. On 9/11 They abandoned post when their very own protocol asked them to be first responders. Firefighters and other first responders aren't efficiently trained to respond to elevator emergencies. But they didn't have any other large contracts And it's presumed they received some type of payment from the insurance claims. And Disputed. Ok. Doesn't debunk the fact that elevator maintence has access to the buildings core. True. Nevertheless, Elevators were down in the months prior, establishing plausibility. I have no idea why you don't think it's relevant. Considering the fact the OS goes outta it's way to say the Saudis weren't involved. This makes no sense. Maybe. But when fire fighters, their boss and qualified others say they heard explosions, in court, that would be considered pretty solid testimony. The rest is really inconsequential. There may not be a conspiracy, I am open to that, despite what you may think, but I have given facts concerning ACE. They had the means and time to plant explosives. But I do not have a motive. I can speculate, but then we'll just go back and forth and back again. So like I said previously, until any of you come up with anything, I'm moving on.
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