The Mueller Report thread

[GMDino]

(03-29-2019, 08:35 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The DOJ appointed Mueller, not Congress. Congress has the ability to conduct their own investigations.

As an aside and to your post: Why isn't DJT going after all the Republicans that authorized this?  (I know why.)

[Belsnickel]

(03-29-2019, 08:57 AM)Benton Wrote: I get that part, but I thought the executive branch was in support of putting the report in front of Congress. Was it not, or was this a change of course?

I'm sorry, you thought this administration was going to provide any sort of real transparency on this issue?

[BmorePat87]

(03-29-2019, 08:57 AM)Benton Wrote: I get that part, but I thought the executive branch was in support of putting the report in front of Congress. Was it not, or was this a change of course?

I too have been questioning here why the GOP now doesn't want the report public.

Barr is planning on releasing it (with redactions) to Congress in a few weeks.

[BmorePat87]

(03-29-2019, 09:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: As an aside and to your post: Why isn't DJT going after all the Republicans that authorized this?  (I know why.)

He famously attacked his DOJ over the course of 2 years for this.

[Belsnickel]

(03-29-2019, 09:13 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He famously attacked his DOJ over the course of 2 years for this.

I should be noted, though, that in doing so he would often align them with Democrats, ignoring the fact that the biggest players involved are lifelong Republicans.

[GMDino]

(03-29-2019, 09:13 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He famously attacked his DOJ over the course of 2 years for this.

(03-29-2019, 09:15 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I should be noted, though, that in doing so he would often align them with Democrats, ignoring the fact that the biggest players involved are lifelong Republicans.

Exactly.  I realize he's playing politics (that's for the ones who still believe they didn't vote for a "politician") and is throwing red meat to his base but how hard would it be for Democrats to simply run an ad with the names of the Republicans that approved and ran the investigation?

Now I realize that sane people see That Trump just lies but maybe there is a way to show his cult members without telling them he does and they are stupid for believing it?

[BmorePat87]

(03-29-2019, 09:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: Exactly.  I realize he's playing politics (that's for the ones who still believe they didn't vote for a "politician") and is throwing red meat to his base but how hard would it be for Democrats to simply run an ad with the names of the Republicans that approved and ran the investigation?

Now I realize that sane people see That Trump just lies but maybe there is a way to show his cult members without telling them he does and they are stupid for believing it?

Sessions and Rosenstein betrayed him. Unfair. He didn't get to have a real AG. He already said that about them many times. 

[GMDino]

(03-29-2019, 10:19 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Sessions and Rosenstein betrayed him. Unfair. He didn't get to have a real AG. He already said that about them many times. 

While blaming the Democrats.  What fools.

[BmorePat87]

(03-29-2019, 10:29 AM)GMDino Wrote: While blaming the Democrats.  What fools.

Sure, he also blamed Democrats and tied these guys to them, but you stated that he go after the Republicans who authorized it. He did. 

[jj22]

(03-29-2019, 10:19 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Sessions and Rosenstein betrayed him. Unfair. He didn't get to have a real AG. He already said that about them many times. 

A "real AG" who will stop the probe and declare Trump exonerated.....

he got one now.

It looks to be crashing down on him now tho so it was short lived.

[Benton]

(03-29-2019, 09:04 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm sorry, you thought this administration was going to provide any sort of real transparency on this issue?

Well, lol, yeah. Sorta.

I thought if there was any connection with Russia and Trump prior to the election, Trump's people would be smart enough to insulate him. When some of Trump's people started getting picked off, I figured they would be the sacrificial lambs so that the report could go forward, come out and appease the masses. 

Whether there was collusion or not, any damage done is done and probably not getting any worse. The best thing to cool everyone down is for a report that says "there were some bad eggs, they're dealt with, but the overall integrity of government is still in place." This is, well, almost the opposite of that. A secret report with secret details that doesn't confirm or deny anything.

[jj22]

(03-28-2019, 06:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Keep hope alive JJ. I don't want you getting overly depressed in thinking maybe POTUS did nothing wrong. 

I'm just following the news cycle. And joining a growing number of people wondering why Republicans wouldn't want us to see Trump was "fully exonerated". Or did nothing wrong.

I think that's all legit questions.

The grand jury still being involved per Barr does expose the investigation is ongoing. And Trump can't be happy that slipped.
 

[GMDino]

(03-29-2019, 10:52 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Sure, he also blamed Democrats and tied these guys to them, but you stated that he go after the Republicans who authorized it. He did. 

DJT blamed them for not stopping it...not the guys who started it unless he said they were democrats.

[Bengalzona]

(03-29-2019, 09:04 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm sorry, you thought this administration was going to provide any sort of real transparency on this issue?

The next admin will give us transparency on this and other issues in 2021.

[GMDino]

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/27/deutsche-bank-turns-over-records-on-donald-trumps-business-to-maxine-waters-committee/?fbclid=IwAR2goXPoYWhGbCVuogATEnpNuupoFfLxjwPpJOS8sn5tcH-NJZBDEjamKdY

Quote:MARCH 27, 2019 7:30PM (UTC)

Deutsche Bank has begun to cooperate with the House Financial Services Committee’s investigation into President Trump and has turned over records related to its dealings with him, according to Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., the committee chair.
Waters, who is leading a wide-ranging investigation into Trump’s business dealings, told reporters Tuesday that the bank -- which loaned Trump billions when nearly every major bank refused to do business with him after a string of bankruptcies -- is handing over documents related to its relationship with Trump, according to The Hill.

Waters added that she is satisfied with the level of the company’s cooperation and said her committee will look into “everything” in the bank’s records on Trump. The bank previously rejected similar document requests from Waters in 2017 and 2018 when she was in the minority on the panel but has apparently had a change of heart now that Democrats control the House.


Waters has long questioned the bank’s relationship with Trump and their willingness to lend to him despite his financial woes and record of falsifying his wealth. Earlier this month, the New York Timesreported that Deutsche Bank officials saw Trump as a “risky” client and knew he had greatly inflated his wealth in loan applications. The bank suffered “deep losses” lending to Trump but continued to extend him hundreds of millions in credit, even after he defaulted on a $640 million loan and sued the bank.


“We know that Deutsche Bank has had a reputation for money laundering for a long time,” Waters told MSNBC earlier this month. “Deutsche Bank is, you know, the bank that [Trump’s] been dealing with and his family has been dealing with.”


Waters, who is working with House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on an investigation into the president’s finances, is also investigating the bank itself for potential financial crimes.


In 2017, Deutsche Bank was fined $630 million by the Justice Department for laundering money out of Russia.


Trump’s relationship with the bank has also caught the eye of New York Attorney General Letitia James, who issued a subpoena to Deutsche Bank earlier this month for records related to its financing of four Trump Organization projects, as well as failed effort to buy the NFL’s Buffalo Bills, according to the New York Times.


The multiple investigations into Trump’s finances, which the president previously said was a “red line” that special counsel Robert Mueller must not cross, show that Trump’s legal issues are far from over despite the conclusion of the Mueller probe.


James is also investigating the Trump Foundation, which was forced to shut down after Trump was accused of using the charitable organization for his campaign and business. The New York Department of Taxation and Finance is also investigating the charity.

Trump also faces possible legal jeopardy in the Southern District of New York, where federal prosecutors have determined that Trump’s longtime former lawyer Michael Cohen violated campaign finance laws on his behalf by paying hush money to women who claimed to have affairs with Trump.


The Southern District, along with other federal and state prosecutors, is also looking into whether Trump’s inaugural committee illegally accepted foreign funds and funneled funds to major donors.

There are also numerous House investigations into a wide number of topics, such as Jared Kushner's top-secret security clearance -- granted against the guidance of the FBI and CIA -- Trump’s tax returns, and a sweeping investigation by the House Judiciary Committee that has already requested documents from more than 80 people and entities linked to Trump.

[BmorePat87]

(03-29-2019, 11:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: DJT blamed them for not stopping it...not the guys who started it unless he said they were democrats.

"I am being investigated for firing the FBI director by the guy who told me to do it" seems like he is blaming Rosenstein for investigation him.

[*bfine32*]

(03-29-2019, 11:21 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm just following the news cycle. And joining a growing number of people wondering why Republicans wouldn't want us to see Trump was "fully exonerated". Or did nothing wrong.

I think that's all legit questions.

The grand jury still being involved per Barr does expose the investigation is ongoing. And Trump can't be happy that slipped.
 

Oh, I'm sure you, others, and news cycles are going to suck every last drop out of it they can. Nobody likes being wrong.

[Stonyhands]

(03-29-2019, 03:07 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: "I am being investigated for firing the FBI director by the guy who told me to do it" seems like he is blaming Rosenstein for investigation him.

Trump fired Comey after a letter from Rosenstein recommending so to instill public confidence in the fbi. Shortly after Comey admitted to leaking information to the media through a friend. Afterwards a special prosecutor was appointed to investigate obstruction and possible Russian collision. So yes In a way investigating Trump for obstruction wham is deputy AG recommended Comey being fired is super shady.

[Belsnickel]

(03-29-2019, 05:45 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: Trump fired Comey after a letter from Rosenstein recommending so to instill public confidence in the fbi. Shortly after Comey admitted to leaking information to the media through a friend. Afterwards a special prosecutor was appointed to investigate obstruction and possible Russian collision. So yes In a way investigating Trump for obstruction wham is deputy AG recommended Comey being fired is super shady.

It becomes less shady when you reintroduce two factors you omitted. First, Trump requested the memo from Rosenstein. Second, Trump stated on national television that he wanted Comey gone because of the investigation being conducted into his campaign. When you omit certain details, it doesn't show the whole situation in context.

[GMDino]

The weasel had a different opinion in the past...

“Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office,” says Graham. Ok. Drain the swamp. pic.twitter.com/nox1GUQe6j

— Frank Jannuzi (@FrankJannuzi) March 29, 2019