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Truman +1 Had some decent economic guidance post WWII, and was one of the first presidents to say we had a moral obligation to provide civil rights. He used executive orders to make the military open to blacks.
-1 to Reagan for working to end unions and start off a 30 year stretch of top end pay steadily puling away from the middle class, and middle class wages not keeping up with inflation.
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(-)Jimmy Carter- Iran hostages, Wheat Embargo, Inflation, Unemployment, Olympic Boycott
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(07-01-2015, 12:01 AM)Benton Wrote: -1 to Reagan for working to end unions and start off a 30 year stretch of top end pay steadily puling away from the middle class, and middle class wages not keeping up with inflation.
(07-01-2015, 01:48 AM)Benton Wrote: Reagan -1 for arming terrorist groups.
Not really sure this is the spirit of the game. Most likely should only be able to +/- a guy one time.
Of course it is Pat's call.
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Nice Benton. Cleveland was one of my guys too. One of my fav presidents.
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- Teddy Roosevelt - seizing state lands for National Parks, creation of the FBI without approval, Bureau of Corporations, his push to intervene in Latin america affairs.
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(-) HERBERT HOOVER- Turning a would be recession into a decade long depression
(+) D.D. EISHENHOWER- Military Badass. Interstate Highway System, Desegregated Military
I do think each President should have started out with like 3 points each.
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(07-01-2015, 10:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do think each President should have started out with like 3 points each.
To make sure interest remains and we can eliminate sooner, I'm going to subtract 5 from everyone so that each started at 5.
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James Monroe 5
John Quincy Adams 5
Martin Van Buren 5
William Henry Harrison 4
John Tyler 6
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Franklin Pierce 5
James Buchanan 4
Abraham Lincoln 7
Andrew Johnson 3
Ulysses S. Grant 5
Rutherford B Hayes 5
James Garfield 5
Chester A Arthur 5
Grover Cleveland 7
Benjamin Harrison 5
William McKinley 5
Theodore Roosevelt 7
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Dwight D Eisenhower 7
John Fitzgerald Kennedy 5
Lyndon Baines Johnson 5
Richard Nixon 5
Gerald Ford 4
Jimmy Carter 4
Ronald Reagan 3
George Bush 4
Bill Clinton 4
George W. Bush 4
Barack Obama 6
+ Nixon for opening up talks with China
- Jackson for killing native americans.
Jackson is our first eliminated
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How often do we vote pat?
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Franklin Pierce 5
James Buchanan 4
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Andrew Johnson 3
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James Garfield 5
Chester A Arthur 5
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John Fitzgerald Kennedy 5
Lyndon Baines Johnson 6
Richard Nixon 5
Gerald Ford 4
Jimmy Carter 4
Ronald Reagan 3
George Bush 4
Bill Clinton 4
George W. Bush 4
Barack Obama 6
+ Lyndon Johnson for pushing the Civil Rights Actof 1964 and the Voting Rights act of 1965 through congress.
- WHH for only making it 4-1/2 weeks
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(07-01-2015, 10:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: How often do we vote pat?
I think the rules are as much as you want but no consecutive posts.
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(07-02-2015, 01:49 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: I think the rules are as much as you want but no consecutive posts.
Thx.
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