Trump Continues to Lead After Debate

[BonnieBengal]

(08-09-2015, 11:58 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Trumps takes on gun control and healthcare are enough for me to say "no thanks".  

He says he's in favor of a ban on "some assault weapons" (whatever that means) and longer waiting periods.  He also says that he dislikes "gun free zones", yet all of his hotels operate as gun free zones.

On healthcare he has said in the past that he supports a single payer system, and stated that he believes that those in Canada and Scotland work well.  He of course dodged the questions on this during the debate, and offered up no specifics at all.

I don't think he dodged the question during the debate.  I think he actually said he supports the single payer system.  
Good points about gun control.   I'm not planning to vote for Trump, but if the liberal establishment Republicans push Jeb Bush in the way they want to, and Trump runs for a third party, I just might vote for him in protest.  Between Bush, Clinton or Biden, and Trump, they're all liberals, so what does it matter?

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-11-2015, 08:30 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I don't think he dodged the question during the debate.  I think he actually said he supports the single payer system.  
Good points about gun control.   I'm not planning to vote for Trump, but if the liberal establishment Republicans push Jeb Bush in the way they want to, and Trump runs for a third party, I just might vote for him in protest.  Between Bush, Clinton or Biden, and Trump, they're all liberals, so what does it matter?

I personally don't believe Trump will last that long.  He can't even get asked a couple of questions without whining like a petulant child. 

I don't think Bush is going to get the nod, no matter how much the establishment of the GOP and the MSM want it to happen. 

I haven't seen anything from Trump to make him worthy of support, much less my vote.  If the only 3 choices turn out to be Bush, Clinton, or Trump...I'd consider a better protest vote to be not to vote at all.  

[BonnieBengal]

(08-11-2015, 09:30 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I personally don't believe Trump will last that long.  He can't even get asked a couple of questions without whining like a petulant child. 

I don't think Bush is going to get the nod, no matter how much the establishment of the GOP and the MSM want it to happen. 

I haven't seen anything from Trump to make him worthy of support, much less my vote.  If the only 3 choices turn out to be Bush, Clinton, or Trump...I'd consider a better protest vote to be not to vote at all.  

I don't know.  The media keeps trying to take him down and his polls go up.  I'm getting a kick out of it because he's throwing a wrench in the "Jeb Bush" plan.  I would rather have Cruz or Carson, but there's no way I'm voting for Bush, so some third party candidate will get my vote in that case.  If it's Trump, so be it.  He can't be any worse than Bush or Hillary.

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-11-2015, 09:36 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I don't know.  The media keeps trying to take him down and his polls go up.  I'm getting a kick out of it because he's throwing a wrench in the "Jeb Bush" plan.  I would rather have Cruz or Carson, but there's no way I'm voting for Bush, so some third party candidate will get my vote in that case.  If it's Trump, so be it.  He can't be any worse than Bush or Hillary.

I personally haven't voted GOP since Bush in '00. 

I will say that the only good thing Trump is doing is taking the attention and therefore the heat away from the other candidates. 

I think Cruz is playing it smart by not attacking Trump.  This way when/if Trump pulls out of the race, most of his support will probably go to him.  

[GMDino]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/trump-says-he-would-scare-the-pope-with-isis-if-he-slams-capitalism-during-us-visit/

Quote:Soon after declaring he would seek an end to birthright citizenship, Donald Trump said he would use Islamic State extremists to scare the pope if he slammed capitalism on his upcoming visit to the U.S.

Pope Francis will honor immigrants by using a chair made by Latino laborers during Mass next month at New York’s Madison Square Garden — where he is expected to make critical remarks about American economic policies, as he has in the past.

Trump, the Republican presidential frontrunner, told CNN’s Chris Cuomo that he would remind the pope that ISIS radicals want to kill him and take over the Vatican.

“I’d say, ‘ISIS wants to get you,'” Trump said. “You know that ISIS wants to go in and take over the Vatican — you have heard that. That’s a dream of theirs.”

Cuomo asked if he would really try to scare the pope.

“I’m going to have to scare the pope,” Trump said. “The pope, I hope, can only be scared by God, but the truth is — you know, if you look at what’s going on — they better hope that capitalism works, because it’s the only thing we have right now. And it’s a great thing when it works properly.”

Trump, however, argued that capitalism has not been working properly in the U.S. — which the pontiff has also claimed, but for the exact opposite reasons.

“Between regulation, between all of the Dodd-Frank (Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act), between all of the different things that have been imposed, we aren’t competitive like we used to be,” Trump said. “We have to open up our country to great capitalism.”

The pope has explicitly rejected the sort of unregulated free market described by Trump as “the dung of the devil” and has urged world leaders to reject the “absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation” — which he denounced as “tyranny.”

“Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Pope Francis wrote. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

Even so, the real estate tycoon and reality TV star said he doesn’t believe Pope Francis is actually opposed to capitalism.

“I’ve seen a lot of what he’s opposed to, and I don’t think the pope is opposed to capitalism,” he said.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-22-2015, 11:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/trump-says-he-would-scare-the-pope-with-isis-if-he-slams-capitalism-during-us-visit/

Did you want to add any statement, to go along with that quote?  Seemed pretty straight forward to me. 

[GMDino]

(08-22-2015, 11:30 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Did you want to add any statement, to go along with that quote?  Seemed pretty straight forward to me. 

Just that Trumps idea of dealing with the Pope is to "scare him".

I'm sure that will work with all foreign dignitaries.  

[SunsetBengal]

(08-23-2015, 09:54 AM)GMDino Wrote: Just that Trumps idea of dealing with the Pope is to "scare him".

I'm sure that will work with all foreign dignitaries.  

Why is that such a bad tactic?  I mean, for years the church used scare tactics on me, to convince me of a terrible afterlife if I did not conform to the ways of the church..

Seems to me that Trump is just looking to hand out a dose of their own medicine.

[fredtoast]

So first Trump goes in front of the Alabama rubes and bloviates about how the Bib le is the greatest book ever written then he turns arouns and says this.


“I’m going to have to scare the pope,” Trump said. “The pope, I hope, can only be scared by God, but the truth is — you know, if you look at what’s going on — they better hope that capitalism works, because it’s the only thing we have right now. And it’s a great thing when it works properly.”



The people that love Trump don't even listen to what he says.

[GMDino]

I don't know how sane people listen to Trump and think he's anywhere near presidential material...or even sane himself.

Trump boots reporter, vows to hold grudges

Quote:Once he feels slighted, Donald Trump said in Iowa Tuesday night, he holds a grudge.

"When people treat me unfairly, I don't let them forget it," Trump told reporters at a news conference before a campaign rally at the Grand River Center in Dubuque. Since the the billionaire reality TV star's last rally in Iowa in late July, he has climbed into first place in the GOP race here. And on Tuesday night, he predicted victory in the 17-way Republican nomination contest.

"I think we will win. We have tremendous spirit in this party," he said. "I think I'm going to get the nomination."

Trump denied The Des Moines Register access to his Dubuque news conference, which was live streamed on several websites.



Also during the news conference, Trump engaged in a prolonged confrontation with the anchor of the nation's leading Spanish-language network, first having the well-known news personality removed before allowing him back in.

Jorge Ramos, the Miami-based anchor for Univision, stood up and began to ask Trump about his immigration proposal, which includes ending automatic citizenship for infants born in the United States to parents in the country illegally.

As Ramos began to speak, Trump interrupted him, saying he hadn't called on Ramos before repeatedly telling him to "sit down" and then saying, "Go back to Univision."


As one of Trump's security detail approached Ramos, the anchor continued to speak, saying, "You cannot deport 11 million people." Ramos was referring to Trump's proposal to deport all people in the country illegally before allowing some of them to return.

As he was taken from the room, Ramos said, "You cannot build a 1,900-mile wall," another proposal in Trump's plan.

Moments later, Trump justified Ramos' removal, saying: "He just stands up and starts screaming. Maybe he's at fault also."

The billionaire businessman's immigration proposal has sparked intense debate within the 2016 Republican field. Several candidates, including former Gov. Jeb Bush, have called it "unrealistic," and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker bobbled his answer on whether he supports ending birthright citizenship.

Ramos was later allowed back into the news conference. Trump greeted him politely, though they quickly resumed their argument, interrupting each other during an extended back-and-forth.

"Your immigration plan, it is full of empty promises," Ramos began. "You cannot deny citizenship to children born in this country."

"Why do you say that?" Trump replied. "Some of the great legal scholars agree that's not true."

During the five-minute exchange, Ramos claimed that 40% of people in the country illegally enter through airports, not over the Mexican border. "I don't believe that. I don't believe it," Trump responded.

A 2006 report by the Pew Hispanic Center found that as much as 45% of the people in the U.S. illegally entered with legal visas but overstayed them.

Trump said he did not believe that a majority of immigrants in the U.S. illegally were criminals, or in the country to commit crimes. "Most of them are good people," he said. But he described recent cases where people had been killed by assailants later determined to be in the country illegally.

Finally, Trump reminded Ramos that he was suing Univision, which dropped Trump's Miss Universe pageant after he described immigrants in the U.S. illegally as "criminals" and "rapists."

"Do you know how many Latinos work for me? Do you know how many Hispanics work for me?" Trump said. "Thousands. They love me."

Isaac Lee, chief executive officer of Univision, responded to the confrontation with a written comment: "We'd love for Mr. Trump to sit down for an in-depth interview with Jorge to talk about the specifics of his proposals."

Ramos' the ejection from the news conference drew the ire of the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.

"Mr. Ramos was doing what journalists have done for decades – asking questions!," said Mekahlo Medina, NAHJ president in a statement on the organization's website. "Ramos was simply trying to hold a candidate for president accountable for statements he made about a very important topic to the American people. Mr. Trump has avoided Mr. Ramos' attempts for an interview to reasonably discuss Mr. Trump's opinions and ideas about immigration and American children born to undocumented immigrants."


Trump told reporters he's leading in every poll, including in Iowa. He said he's the front-runner among evangelicals, whom he described as "incredible people. They're really smart."

"I was very honored to lead with evangelicals. I love evangelicals," he said.

On July 18 in Ames, Trump stirred controversy when he told a crowd of Iowa evangelical conservatives that he has never asked God for forgiveness for his actions. At the same event, he derided the military service of Arizona U.S. Sen. John McCain, a prisoner of war in Vietnam.


After the news conference, Iowa Christian conservative Sam Clovis introduced Trump at his rally. Clovis had been chairman of rival presidential candidate Rick Perry's Iowa campaign, but stepped down this week. The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Clovis has signed on as Trump's national co-chairman and policy adviser.

In his speech, Trump repeatedly criticized the press, a popular theme with conservatives. Pointing at the TV cameras, he said he draws huge television audiences.

"If I didn't get ratings, they wouldn't be here. They're not nice people. They don't care about you. The only thing they care about is ratings," he said.

Trump first denied the Register press credentials to an event late last month, after the newspaper's opinion writers published an editorial calling for him to exit the race. His campaign aides said that as punishment, they were barring the Register's reporters from Trump's rally in Oskaloosa July 25.

His campaign credentialed the Register to attend his helicopter landing and news conference at a softball diamond near the Iowa State Fairgrounds Aug. 15. But on Tuesday afternoon, Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks said in an email: "We are not able to credential you or your colleagues for tonight's event. You are welcome to attend as a guest, but won't be given media access."

[JustWinBaby]

Trump is an asshole, but I had to laugh and respect him for booting that reporter. The reporter was out of line, but its understandable between Trump suing Univision and his immigration rhetoric.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-26-2015, 08:23 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Trump is an asshole, but I had to laugh and respect him for booting that reporter.  The reporter was out of line, but its understandable between Trump suing Univision and his immigration rhetoric.

The thing is, Trump don't NEED the media to endorse, support, or otherwise validate him, in order to get his message out to the American public.  The fact that rather than stumble around for awkward answers to "gotcha" questions, he essentially "***** slaps" them, tells them to GTFOOH, and proceeds along his merry way, is exactly what is continuing to drive him in the polls.

[GMDino]

(08-26-2015, 08:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The thing is, Trump don't NEED the media to endorse, support, or otherwise validate him, in order to get his message out to the American public.  The fact that rather than stumble around for awkward answers to "gotcha" questions, he essentially "***** slaps" them, tells them to GTFOOH, and proceeds along his merry way, is exactly what is continuing to drive him in the polls.

Of he doesn't.  there are just enough rubes who "love 'murica" that by his trucker hat wearing character.

He's laughing all the way tot he bank (or bankruptcy court...one of the two.)

But he DID get an endorsement!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-donald-trump-for-saying-some-incredibly-great-things-10473029.html

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Quote:[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-defends-comments-branding-mexican-immigrants-rapists-by-claiming-that-somebody-is-doing-the-raping-10361426.html]Donald Trump has received support from an unlikely - and no doubt unwanted - corner after a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan publicly endorsed the Republican nominee.

Fresh from kicking journalists out of press conferences for challenging him on immigration, the business tycoon continues to attract attention and divide America with his controversial and often questionable views. But despite this, he still enjoys support from many Republican voters and often emerges top of opinion polls.

Now David Duke, a former grand wizard of the KKK and member of the Louisiana House of Representatives, has got behind Trump’s presidential bid, praising him for really “going all out” with his campaign on his radio show.

In comments first reported by Buzzfeed, Duke told his listeners: “He’s saying what no other Republicans have said, few conservatives say. And he's also gone to the point where he says it's not just illegal immigration, it's legal immigration."



Trump has come under fire for accusing Mexico of sending "rapists" and "criminals" across the border and vowed to build a wall if he is elected.

Duke, a Holocaust denier described by the Southern Poverty Law Centre as the most recognisable figure of the American radical right, praised Trump for being a good salesman and understanding that his “path to popularity” lies with addressing migration.

“And he has really said some incredibly great things recently,” he went on. “So whatever his motivation, I don’t give a damn. I really like the fact that he’s speaking out on this greatest immediate threat to the American people.

“Although we can’t trust him to do what he says, the other Republican candidates won’t even say what he says. So he’s certainly the best of the lot. And he’s certainly somebody that we should get behind in terms, you know, raising the image of this thing.”

Trump has yet to respond to Duke's comments.

I'm sure Trump hasn't responded yet because he doesn't know how to get word out quickly via Twitter when he has a though.

I'm also sure he will call Duke a "brilliant" man for endorsing him!  

[jakefromstatefarm]

Why does an endorsement from David Duke mean anything?

Robert Byrd was a senate majority leader, wasn't he?

[GMDino]

(08-27-2015, 09:23 AM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Why does an endorsement from David Duke mean anything?

Robert Byrd was a senate majority leader, wasn't he?

Yes.

And?

Or are you saying members of the KKK are good for our government?

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-27-2015, 09:29 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yes.

And?

Or are you saying members of the KKK are good for our government?

You don't see a difference between a KKK leader endorsing a candidate and a KKK leader being elected?

Seriously?

[GMDino]

(08-27-2015, 09:30 AM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: You don't see a difference between a KKK leader endorsing a candidate and a KKK leader being elected?

Seriously?

I see a KKK member getting elected and I see another one endorsing someone to be elected for President because he agrees with the candidates views.

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-27-2015, 09:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: I see a KKK member getting elected and I see another one endorsing someone to be elected for President because he agrees with the candidates views.

And what does it say about the DNC that they voted Byrd senate majority leader as a member of the KKK?

Has Trump been elected to anything yet?  Has the GOP elected him internally to any sort of leadership position?

[GMDino]

(08-27-2015, 09:37 AM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: And what does it say about the DNC that they voted Byrd senate majority leader as a member of the KKK?

Has Trump been elected to anything yet?  Has the GOP elected him internally to any sort of leadership position?

Its says that 60 years ago WV was a very racist place and they liked what he had to say.

What does it say that a former grand wizard thinks a man running for the highest office in the land is right on topic about illegal AND legal immigrants?

[GodHatesBengals]

(08-27-2015, 09:30 AM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: You don't see a difference between a KKK leader endorsing a candidate and a KKK leader being elected?

Seriously?

You don't see a difference between an ex-KKK leader who disavowed all of his previous associations and somebody who actively, currently espouses racial hatred and Antisemitism?

Seriously?