Trump Slams Allies in favor of Putin (again)...

[*michaelsean*]

(07-23-2018, 03:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I used to say those sorts of things. Then I learned that I was wrong. That was several years ago.

 

You son of a *****!!!!  You had me thinking a was a red assed commie loving traitor!!!!

[Dill]

(07-23-2018, 03:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of SS, but it's too big now.  I don't dislike it   because of socialism but because I don't think it's something the government should be involved in.  I also don't like if you are married and you die, one of the two benefits goes away. Or if you are single and die at say age 55,  it just disappears.    

LOl as someone currently on SS, I find it quite a good policy.  That guy who died at 55 paid for my beer and cigars.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-23-2018, 04:00 PM)Dill Wrote: LOl as someone currently on SS, I find it quite a good policy.  That guy who died at 55 paid for my beer and cigars.

Ironic as it was probably the beer and cigars that killed him at 55.  Of course he was probably smoking Garcia y Vegas so he deserved whatever he got.

[Belsnickel]

(07-23-2018, 04:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You son of a *****!!!!  You had me thinking a was a red assed commie loving traitor!!!!

Well, we could go into how social welfare policies are very similar to Muslim laws, actually included in Zakat, one of the five pillars. So Medicare and Social Security are Muslim policies! It's Sharia Law!

[*michaelsean*]

(07-23-2018, 04:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, we could go into how social welfare policies are very similar to Muslim laws, actually included in Zakat, one of the five pillars. So Medicare and Social Security are Muslim policies! It's Sharia Law!

We could, but there's a very lonely thread started by Dill that you are expected on.  

[Millhouse]

(07-23-2018, 03:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Actually, she isn't a real socialist. Even though she is a DSA member, she isn't taken a DSA position on issues, she is a social democrat. Same for Bernie.

So either she is a wolf in sheeps clothing using the guise of 'social Democrat' to help elected, or she didn't read what the DSA stands for. Because last I checked a social Democrat still supports capitalism, not a popular controlled economy, production, and resources.

[*bfine32*]

(07-23-2018, 01:58 PM)Millhouse Wrote: He will always have supporters til the end. But I agree on this though. He has said all sorts of things in the past that I shook my head at, yet he was like teflon to his support. But Russia though was one thing that almost all Americans seemed to agree against because of their support of Iran, Syria, and NK.

All the Dems have to do is get a candidate who seems to be in touch with the middle class while not pushing for massive socialistic programs to win back the White House. Because though Trump will still get votes regardless of what he does, he will lose a lot of votes from the moderates and semi-conservatives that voted for him, as this is one of those dealbreaker sort of things, imo.

The Dems are going to have an internal crisis. The DNC has already shown they will go out of their way to stop a candidate that goes toward the extreme left (sanders); however, more and more extreme leftist are winning Dem nominations throughout the country. I think a huge measuring stick will be how these extremists will fare in the mid-terms.  

[Belsnickel]

(07-23-2018, 04:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: So either she is a wolf in sheeps clothing using the guise of 'social Democrat' to help elected, or she didn't read what the DSA stands for. Because last I checked a social Democrat still supports capitalism, not a popular controlled economy, production, and resources.

Well, lots of social democrats have flocked to the DSA recently because of the Democratic party being centrist and not even center-left, moving away from the New Deal types of policies. I know some DSA members that are actual socialists that are pissed about it because it is moving the organization away from what it stood for. We have Sanders to thank for it, really, thanks to calling himself a democratic socialist when he is really a social democrat. Lots of Bernie supporters have now joined the ranks of the DSA not realizing that he, and they, are wrong in calling themselves that.

It's just a great way to see how ignorant most Americans are when it comes to this sort of thing.

[GMDino]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/trump-putin-press-conference-transcript/565385/

Quote:The White House Transcript Is Missing the Most Explosive Part of the Trump–Putin Press Conference

It’s not clear whether the omission was intended, but the meaning of a key exchange is dramatically altered as a result.

It was perhaps the most explosive exchange in an incendiary press conference: Russian President Vladimir Putin appearing to frankly admit to a motive for, and maybe even to the act of, meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, despite repeatedly denying Russian interference in American politics during the rest of his appearance with Donald Trump in Finland on Monday.

But the exchange doesn’t appear in full in the White House’s live-stream or transcript of the press conference, and it’s missing entirely from the Kremlin’s transcript of the event. The White House did not immediately provide an explanation for the discrepancy.

Understanding what Putin said depends on what you watch or where you look. If you watch the video of the news conference provided by the Russian government, or by news outlets such as PBS and the Associated Press, you will hear the Reuters reporter Jeff Mason ask a bombshell of a question: “President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?”

Putin then responds with a bombshell of an answer, according to the English translation of his remarks that was broadcast during the press conference: “Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal.”

But recordings of the exchange were muddled for two reasons. First, the English translation of Putin’s previous response was concluding as Mason began to speak. Second, the microphone seemed to pick up Mason’s question halfway through—making the latter half of it easier to hear. (Mason told me that he had held on to the microphone even though an official had tried to pull it away so that he could ask Putin a follow-up question. “I don’t know if they turned the sound off during the time when each of the presidents were speaking, or if it got flipped on and off. I certainly didn’t touch anything.”)

Technical difficulties aside, there’s further ambiguity. It’s unclear whether Putin said “Yes, I did” in reference to the question of whether he wanted Trump to win the 2016 presidential race, or in response to the question about whether he directed Russian officials to help Trump win. “You could interpret that to mean he’s answering ‘yes’ to both,” Mason told me, but “looking at it critically, he spent a good chunk of that press conference, just like President Trump did, denying any collusion. So I think it’s likely that when he said ‘Yes, I did,’ that he was just responding to the first part of my question and perhaps didn’t hear the second part.”

But if you watch the White House live-stream of the press conference or look at the transcript published by the White House, the first half of Mason’s question is not there. Without it, the meaning of the exchange is substantially different.

Compare this transcript, of what actually happened, to the White House’s version. Here is the record of what took place, starting with the last part of Putin’s comments before Mason’s questions. Putin is describing his willingness to assist with Robert Mueller’s probe (bolding is mine):

Quote:Vladimir Putin: That could be a first step, and we can also extend it. Options abound, and they all can be found in an appropriate legal framework.
Jeff Mason: President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?
Putin: Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.–Russia relationship back to normal.

And here’s the key section from the White House transcript, which makes it seem as though Putin is still talking about the Mueller probe:  

Quote:PRESIDENT PUTIN: That could be a first step, and we can also extend it. Options abound, and they all can be found in an appropriate legal framework.
Q: And did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?
PRESIDENT PUTIN:  Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.–Russia relationship back to normal.

Another strange wrinkle comes from the Russian government’s English-language transcript of the press conference. In contrast to its footage of the press conference, which features what really happened, the transcript does not include any piece of that key exchange.


Transcripts published by the Federal News Service and Bloomberg Government mirror the White House transcript, while NPR’s contains the full exchange. Confusing matters further, C-span’s footage contains Mason’s full question but only the second half of Putin’s answer.

The varying accounts of the same remarks highlight the profound confusion that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have generated in the past 24 hours. The discrepancies in the accounts of what was said also underscore the extent to which the Trump presidency has challenged a common understanding of reality.
Even if the omission was accidental, it appears suspicious at a moment marked by the president’s repeated claims that legitimate news reports are “fake.”

In an attempt to walk back other comments he made at the press conference, Trump said on Tuesday that he believed he had made himself “very clear,” but then changed his mind after reviewing the transcript and footage of the press conference. Referring to his remarks about election meddling, he walked back an extraordinary comment.

On Monday, Trump said “I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia that interfered with the election. On Tuesday, he clarified that he had meant to say: “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia.” One small word, one huge difference.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-24-2018, 11:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/trump-putin-press-conference-transcript/565385/

Actually, the most explosive part was when they stuck Black Cats in each other's pee holes and then simultaneously lit the fuses.  Oy Gevalt!

[GMDino]

(07-24-2018, 11:51 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually, the most explosive part was when they stuck Black Cats in each other's pee holes and then simultaneously lit the fuses.  Oy Gevalt!

I know it hurts when you read bad things about your boy Trump but check your meds. 

[jj22]

Trump:
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 23h23 hours ago
I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!

Putin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O1piTvGt_A

Trump Supporters:
The true collusion is Russia helping Hillary.

[Beaker]

[jj22]

Yep, giving those who called Obama a Nigerian/Muslim/ISIS, Michelle a monkey, and attacked them with racial slurs for 8 years a platform to vote for someone.

Truly exposed Americas underbelly and how popular this behavior really is. At least we know how far we still have to go.

[jj22]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/white-house-leaves-putin-support-for-trump-out-of-transcript-1284716611545?playlist=associated

https://hillreporter.com/the-deleted-video-clip-that-the-white-house-and-kremlin-dont-want-you-to-see-4403

Supposedly "America first" Trump supporters just keep turning a blind eye.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-25-2018, 05:31 PM)jj22 Wrote: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/white-house-leaves-putin-support-for-trump-out-of-transcript-1284716611545?playlist=associated

This is somewhere on another thread, but I can't remember where.