Trump admin to withdraw from UN human rights council

[Griever]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-un-human-rights-council-nikki-haley-israel-north-korea-iran-a8401281.html?utm_source=reddit.com

because why not?

[jj22]

Just another attempt to move America towards a 3rd world dictatorship. Unfortunate thing is some Americans (Trump supporters) want to be dictated to and see no problem with these moves. He want's Americans to stand at attention when he walks through the door like they do Kim (or else they'll get killed). You can't achieve this by concerning yourself with human rights. Besides, they likely don't want to take the criticism over the child concentration camps opening up across our borders.

According to Sessions, the only difference in the child concentration camps and the Jewish concentration camps is Hitler was trying to keep Jews in. This according to Sessions himself. If that doesn't let you know where Trump wants America headed...... This attempt to move America away from the free world of the West and towards the Dictatorships of the East should disgrace all Americans, regardless of party.

[NATI BENGALS]

Are they perfect? No. Does that mean we shod withdraw? No

This is a god damn disgrace.

The Trumpets sitting around silent while this wanna be dictator weakens our stance on human rights while he is filling prisons with children after seperating them from their family.

What in the flying f***?

I thought this was America

[Arturo Bandini]

Trump wants to make America great again. I think it's America completely divided.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some states asking for independance.

I think Putin is laughing his *** off at the moment.

Attacking his allies and praising his enemies. This man has no clue of what he wil leave behind him.

Crazy times for the USA.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-19-2018, 02:35 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Trump wants to make America great again. I think it's America completely divided.

America IS divided, but it was divided long before Trump became president.

(06-19-2018, 02:35 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see some states asking for independance. 

I would. Sure, there will always be people pushing for secession(IIRC, the most recent was a groupd from New Hampshire), but I would be surprised to see a state legislature and/or state governor pushing for seceding from the union.

[Dill]

(06-19-2018, 02:35 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Trump wants to make America great again. I think it's America completely divided.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some states asking for independance.

I think Putin is laughing his *** off at the moment.

Attacking his allies and praising his enemies. This man has no clue of what he wil leave behind him.

Crazy times for the USA.

Right Wing Americans have long hated the UN. They see it as submitting the US to a One-World-Government, or at least heading that direction.
There is still fear that some things Americans do (like Bush on torture) which could be prosecutor under international law, so the weaker the UN and the international legal system, the better.

And yes, Putin is laughing--at France too, though more at the US.  NATO is fragmenting. Trump threatens tariffs on our allies and wants to ease the on Russia.  Electing Hillary was the biggest, most successful covert operation in history.  And 40% of Americans deny it.

[Millhouse]

(06-19-2018, 02:35 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Trump wants to make America great again. I think it's America completely divided.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some states asking for independance.

I think Putin is laughing his *** off at the moment.

Attacking his allies and praising his enemies. This man has no clue of what he wil leave behind him.

Crazy times for the USA.

Thankfully our founding fathers set up a system for a President to be re-elected to remain in office. And if he goes too far can be voted out of office if need be.

So hopefully in 2 1/2 years, there will be a better Democrat than the last one that ran if Trump does run again. Better yet, hopefully a Republican can challenge and win the primary over Trump, guaranteeing a new President. One that then will pretty much apologize to your side of the world & our allies, and wash away a lot of what Trump has done. But even better yet, Trump doesnt run again.

But if Trump isn't in office again, it wont take long to reverse a lot of his doings.

[Belsnickel]

(06-19-2018, 08:45 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Thankfully our founding fathers set up a system for a President to be re-elected to remain in office. And if he goes too far can be voted out of office if need be.

So hopefully in 2 1/2 years, there will be a better Democrat than the last one that ran if Trump does run again. Better yet, hopefully a Republican can challenge and win the primary over Trump, guaranteeing a new President. One that then will pretty much apologize to your side of the world & our allies, and wash away a lot of what Trump has done. But even better yet, Trump doesnt run again.

But if Trump isn't in office again, it wont take long to reverse a lot of his doings.

You're too hopeful. The GOP right now is Trump's party. He has very high approval levels within the party. We are more likely to see a viable third party emerge than see Trump successfully primaried, at least as things stand right now.

[Millhouse]

(06-19-2018, 08:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You're too hopeful. The GOP right now is Trump's party. He has very high approval levels within the party. We are more likely to see a viable third party emerge than see Trump successfully primaried, at least as things stand right now.

Very too hopeful.

Personally I would love to see moderates from both parties break off and form their own party, as both parties dont seem to aim for the middle anymore. And a party of moderates is where I would be, because I loathe the "bible thumping gun toting Muricans" on the right & the "hippie tree hugging socialists" that want government to pay for everything on the left.

[Belsnickel]

(06-19-2018, 08:56 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Very too hopeful.

Personally I would love to see moderates from both parties break off and form their own party, as both parties dont seem to aim for the middle anymore. And a party of moderates is where I would be, because I loathe the "bible thumping gun toting Muricans" on the right & the "hippie tree hugging socialists" that want government to pay for everything on the left.

The only issue with what you're saying here is that the establishment GOP has run to the right, but the establishment Democrats have stayed with their neo-liberal ways, resisting the liberal movements. Really, what would be the more likely scenario is a party that is more left wing splits off because of the unhappiness with the DNC. I mean, I'm an FDR style of liberal and I am telling you that the DNC is too far too the right. We (social democrat style) fall between the Bernie and Hillary contingents, so it's a difficult situation.

[*bfine32*]

(06-19-2018, 08:56 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Very too hopeful.

Personally I would love to see moderates from both parties break off and form their own party, as both parties dont seem to aim for the middle anymore. And a party of moderates is where I would be, because I loathe the "bible thumping gun toting Muricans" on the right & the "hippie tree hugging socialists" that want government to pay for everything on the left.

Actually Hillary was as moderate as we could hope for a mainstream Dem to get; she was just flawed as a candidate and the DNC ran a flawed campaign. Also a 3rd party is most likely the reason Trump is POTUS

[jj22]

(06-19-2018, 10:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually Hillary was as moderate as we could hope for a mainstream Dem to get; she was just flawed as a candidate and the DNC ran a flawed campaign. Also a 3rd party is most likely the reason Trump is POTUS

Yep.

[Griever]

(06-19-2018, 01:31 PM)jj22 Wrote: Just another attempt to move America towards a 3rd world dictatorship. Unfortunate thing is some Americans (Trump supporters) want to be dictated to and see no problem with these moves. He want's Americans to stand at attention when he walks through the door like they do Kim (or else they'll get killed). You can't achieve this by concerning yourself with human rights. Besides, they likely don't want to take the criticism over the child concentration camps opening up across our borders.

According to Sessions, the only difference in the child concentration camps and the Jewish concentration camps is Hitler was trying to keep Jews in. This according to Sessions himself. If that doesn't let you know where Trump wants America headed......  This attempt to move America away from the free world of the West and towards the Dictatorships of the East should disgrace all Americans, regardless of party.

well most republicans classify as christians, so they know know how to be controlled, they don't understand any different and think that thinking for yourself is evil

[*michaelsean*]

I’m missing the dictatorship part. Why add hyperbole to the discussion?

[*PhilHos*]

(06-20-2018, 08:27 AM)Griever Wrote: well most republicans classify as christians, so they know know how to be controlled, they don't understand any different and think that thinking for yourself is evil

Not true, but thanks for showing everyone your bigotry.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-20-2018, 09:08 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I’m missing the dictatorship part. Why add hyperbole to the discussion?

Because, when it comes to Trump, you don't criticize him for the things he LEGITIMATELY deserves blame for; you go for the worst of the worst, even if it's not true!

[Griever]

(06-20-2018, 02:21 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Not true, but thanks for showing everyone your bigotry.

ummmm

the main tenant of christianity is basically "obey or you will burn in hell for eternity"

[Belsnickel]

(06-20-2018, 02:37 PM)Griever Wrote: ummmm

the main tenant of christianity is basically "obey or you will burn in hell for eternity"

No, actually, it isn't.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-20-2018, 02:37 PM)Griever Wrote: ummmm

the main tenant of christianity is basically "obey or you will burn in hell for eternity"

(06-20-2018, 02:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No, actually, it isn't.

Someone gets it. 

[Belsnickel]

(06-20-2018, 02:54 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Someone gets it. 

It's one of those situations where certain segments of Christianity certainly put off this image. But the mainstream Christianity and the tenets (not tenant, those are renters) are more about forgiveness and grace. It's just not what gets the most play thanks to televangelists.

I know you know this, but I just felt like putting it out there.