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Weren't people complaining that Trump was preaching things like a healthcare reform but had no plans on how to do it?
Now, he's made it public, and there has been no talk about it. I wonder why that is?
Just to be clear, I don't wonder why that it is; it's clearly because people have an agenda, will look for any reasons to hate, and vote for a political party, rather than a candidate, before they even know about any policy or plan of the candidates.
His plan includes:
Quote:1. Completely repealing Obamacare.
No surprise there as that's been a complete disaster.
2. Modify existing laws that inhibit the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan complies with state requirements, the sale of health insurance should be allowed to be offered to any state by any vendor.
That one's huge as it opens up the door for a lot more competition, which will drive prices down a lot with more options.
3. Allow individuals the right to deduct all health insurance premiums from their tax return.
That one will aid all people and is already allowed by businesses, so people should be granted the same bonus.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts. That one is also very beneficial because they can be passed down to heirs and they're not subject to federal tax.
That one is great for young people and people just getting out of college who are healthy and might not need insurance to pay for much right now, so it saves it for the future.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals.
Being able to shop around and find the best deal possible will also drop prices because everyone will try to make things as cheap as possible (while still making a profit) to draw in interest.
If nothing else, and he has admitted this, Trump surrounds himself with very smart people who know what they're doing.
Even if this didn't go off exactly as planned, it looks a hell of a lot better than what we have now and it's a great plan. Besides, have you heard the Democrats suggest a better plan? And it's a hell of a lot better than that disaster that is Obamacare.
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(03-07-2016, 02:16 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Weren't people complaining that Trump was preaching things like a healthcare reform but had no plans on how to do it?
Now, he's made it public, and there has been no talk about it. I wonder why that is?
Just to be clear, I don't wonder why that it is; it's clearly because people have an agenda, will look for any reasons to hate, and vote for a political party, rather than a candidate, before they even know about any policy or plan of the candidates.
His plan includes:
If nothing else, and he has admitted this, Trump surrounds himself with very smart people who know what they're doing.
Even if this didn't go off exactly as planned, it looks a hell of a lot better than what we have now and it's a great plan. Besides, have you heard the Democrats suggest a better plan? And it's a hell of a lot better than that disaster that is Obamacare.
Quote:1. Completely repealing Obamacare.
No surprise there as that's been a complete disaster.
No it has not. That is partisan talk, with an agenda, that you mentioned above.
Quote:2. Modify existing laws that inhibit the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan complies with state requirements, the sale of health insurance should be allowed to be offered to any state by any vendor.
That one's huge as it opens up the door for a lot more competition, which will drive prices down a lot with more options.
Except that this already legal and has been tried and the insurance companies didn't like it. We've discussed it elsewhere on these boards. It is not huge...it is a failed talking point.
Quote:3. Allow individuals the right to deduct all health insurance premiums from their tax return.
That one will aid all people and is already allowed by businesses, so people should be granted the same bonus.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts. That one is also very beneficial because they can be passed down to heirs and they're not subject to federal tax.
That one is great for young people and people just getting out of college who are healthy and might not need insurance to pay for much right now, so it saves it for the future.
That is a good thing. And like with a lot of things you can pull or or two good points from a plan even if the rest is malarkey. But the saving plans are not going to last long in case of catastrophe.
Quote:5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals.
Being able to shop around and find the best deal possible will also drop prices because everyone will try to make things as cheap as possible (while still making a profit) to draw in interest.
You mean like the ACA site to shop plans? 
Trump, as he is prone to do, throws a whole bunch at the wall to see what sticks. A little something for everyone to say "Yea that one part is a good idea" so he can say everyone loves his plan.
Also, he'll take full and complete credit for the plan parts that work while denying he had anything to do with the parts that did not.
Yes, he finally put out a "plan". He just didn't say how it gets paid for, what it saves, or how it will work.
More hot air from the balloon head.
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So basically he is suggesting the progressive GOP ideas. Did he get his notes from Paul Ryan?
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Individual states are the ones that determine what insurance companies can operate in their borders. But there is no state where there is a monopoly. there is already competition in every state that eliminates price fixing.
Tax free health care funds are nice for people who can afford them, but very few people can save enough money to pay for a catastrophic health care emergency.
Shopping for health care is impossible because you do not even know what you will need until you first go to a doctor. Plus constantly moving patient records from one provider to another every time a medical issue arises would actually add expense and make the entire system less efficient.
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(03-07-2016, 02:16 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Weren't people complaining that Trump was preaching things like a healthcare reform but had no plans on how to do it?
Now, he's made it public, and there has been no talk about it. I wonder why that is?
Just to be clear, I don't wonder why that it is; it's clearly because people have an agenda, will look for any reasons to hate, and vote for a political party, rather than a candidate, before they even know about any policy or plan of the candidates.
His plan includes:
If nothing else, and he has admitted this, Trump surrounds himself with very smart people who know what they're doing.
Even if this didn't go off exactly as planned, it looks a hell of a lot better than what we have now and it's a great plan. Besides, have you heard the Democrats suggest a better plan? And it's a hell of a lot better than that disaster that is Obamacare.
Soooo... he's going back to exactly what we had before that resulted in the consistent increase in healthcare costs?
I get it, it's fun to call it Obamacare. I get it, those who have good healthcare don't want to rock the boat because rocking boats are scary. I get it, things seemed a lot better in the past because we tend to view the past with rose colored glasses.
But something has to be done to get healthcare costs under control. The back and forth between insurance companies and providers is getting to where you have to have insurance to afford healthcare. Or be Trump rich. Trump's first item would be wasting billions, his second has already been done and didn't work. The third item is either already paid with pre-tax dollars or — if it wasn't — then you can claim part of it. The fourth item, already available on most insurance plans. And the fifth item, it's already done as well.
He's going back to all the stuff we already had that was driving up the cost. Brilliant!
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(03-07-2016, 11:14 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Individual states are the ones that determine what insurance companies can operate in their borders. But there is no state where there is a monopoly. there is already competition in every state that eliminates price fixing.
Tax free health care funds are nice for people who can afford them, but very few people can save enough money to pay for a catastrophic health care emergency.
Shopping for health care is impossible because you do not even know what you will need until you first go to a doctor. Plus constantly moving patient records from one provider to another every time a medical issue arises would actually add expense and make the entire system less efficient.
Not only this but aren't the same insurance companies already in every state with subsideraries(sp?) and underwriters?
Insurance is already sold across state lines since the same companies are in every state. The only thing that changes are state laws.
I don't know, just sounds like hot air.
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(03-07-2016, 12:15 PM)Benton Wrote: Soooo... he's going back to exactly what we had before that resulted in the consistent increase in healthcare costs?
I get it, it's fun to call it Obamacare. I get it, those who have good healthcare don't want to rock the boat because rocking boats are scary. I get it, things seemed a lot better in the past because we tend to view the past with rose colored glasses.
But something has to be done to get healthcare costs under control. The back and forth between insurance companies and providers is getting to where you have to have insurance to afford healthcare. Or be Trump rich. Trump's first item would be wasting billions, his second has already been done and didn't work. The third item is either already paid with pre-tax dollars or — if it wasn't — then you can claim part of it. The fourth item, already available on most insurance plans. And the fifth item, it's already done as well.
He's going back to all the stuff we already had that was driving up the cost. Brilliant!
Well aren't you lucky. My familys healthcare costs increased.
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(03-07-2016, 12:23 PM)Vlad Wrote: Well aren't you lucky. My familys healthcare costs increased.
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(03-07-2016, 09:14 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So basically he is suggesting the progressive GOP ideas. Did he get his notes from Paul Ryan?
Who knows where he gets his ideas because they constantly change.
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I'm just surprised he didn't throw out a healthy load of TORT reform.
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(03-07-2016, 12:41 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who knows where he gets his ideas because they constantly change.
From the best people. No you can't know who they are. They probably aren't the same lawyers who sent letters to the wrong Super PAC and it's probably not the people who spell check his tweets.
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(03-07-2016, 12:40 PM)Benton Wrote: Jan 8, 2014 ... Total healthcare spending in 2012 came in at $2.79 trillion—up just 3.7 ... we
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Love the spin, costs are still increasing but it seems like you're paying less because we're hiding your true cost from you.
When someone else pays more, I pay less - that's the dream!
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(03-07-2016, 01:06 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm just surprised he didn't throw out a healthy load of TORT reform.
There's already been a lot of that.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-state-medical-malpractice-damages-caps.html
More than half the states have some kind of award cap. Malpractice insurance costs — like healthcare costs for lots of people — have come down in the last 5-6 years.
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(03-07-2016, 01:21 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Love the spin, costs are still increasing but it seems like you're paying less because we're hiding your true cost from you.
When someone else pays more, I pay less - that's the dream!
Meh, Vlad posted a browser search, I posted a browser search.
But anyway, yes and no. Are healthcare costs going to increase? Most likely. Few things decrease in cost when there's any kind of demand. But it's increasing at the slowest rate in decades. Costs will increase, but not like they were.
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Never seen a candidate run for President that paints with such a wide brush.
Hillary vs Trump be bad days if this is the case. The Trump chumps just assume this guy will be better than Obama.
Both are narcissistic egomainiacs and actually have a lot in common.
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(03-07-2016, 01:32 PM)Benton Wrote: But it's increasing at the slowest rate in decades. Costs will increase, but not like they were.
That is, at best, an apples-and-oranges statement...if not just completely wrong.
The recession and disappointing recovery have certainly contributed to the slowing healthcare costs. You also have younger people forced to insure, which helps offset some costs of others. Deductibles are also rising, which masks the relative increase in premiums.
The economics of savings "created" from Obamacare just really isn't there. And that's because even if it actually did something to insurance company margins, that's not really where the money and cost is going.
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Trump himself proved he doesn't understand the policy at the debate. He then hired someone to write a detailed proposal. Congrats, Trump supporters, your guy can pay people to write the policy he doesn't understand.
Just like a career politician
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(03-07-2016, 01:29 PM)Benton Wrote: There's already been a lot of that.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-state-medical-malpractice-damages-caps.html
More than half the states have some kind of award cap. Malpractice insurance costs — like healthcare costs for lots of people — have come down in the last 5-6 years.
I just thought he'd have some backroom deals to go further and trot it out in attempt to appear heroic.
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How will penis reduction surgery be included under Trump's new vision for health care?
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(03-08-2016, 01:14 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: How will penis reduction surgery be included under Trump's new vision for health care?
Is it possible to make a microscopic penis smaller?
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