White kids (with Trump sign) turn backs on black players

[Rotobeast]

Apparently it has been a tradition, but a Trump sign makes it (implied) racist.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/15/white-students-hold-trump-sign-turn-backs-on-black-basketball-team.html

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[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(12-15-2016, 12:08 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Apparently it has been a tradition, but a Trump sign makes it (implied) racist.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/15/white-students-hold-trump-sign-turn-backs-on-black-basketball-team.html

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How is this different from kneeling during the anthem?  I'm sure a lot of people feel personally disrespected by that.  Either you're free to express yourself or you're not.

[Rotobeast]

(12-15-2016, 12:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How is this different from kneeling during the anthem?  I'm sure a lot of people feel personally disrespected by that.  Either you're free to express yourself or you're not.

That's kind of what I was thinking.
What makes this a bit silly to me is that I don't see any direct statements from the kids, as to why/what they are "protesting".
It is merely assumed.

Full disclosure: I am currently looking for other sources, on the story.

[Rotobeast]

Not finding much.

I don't care for this source much, but agree for the most part.

http://turtleboysports.com/high-school-kids-turn-their-back-on-opposing-basketball-team-become-national-villains-when-shaun-king-calls-them-racist/

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[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

I've seen basketball fans turn their back and read the newspaper during opposing team introductions or free throws. I guess that means I'm old because nowadays I guess they would pull out their smartphone instead of a newspaper.

[Belsnickel]

(12-15-2016, 12:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How is this different from kneeling during the anthem?  I'm sure a lot of people feel personally disrespected by that.  Either you're free to express yourself or you're not.

I don't disagree with you, especially because trying to know their intentions is impossible. Only they will know if it was racially motivated because they didn't make it obvious that it was, and if it was it would have been before the Trump sign was involved. Too many unknowns to say either way.

I will say this, however, and that is that hate speech is something that hasn't been deemed as protected completely by the courts. That is one thing that, if this were a more overtly racist situation, would make it a bit different than the kneeling during the anthem. Disrespectt is disrespect in my book, but the courts have a mixed precedent with hate speech.

[BmorePat87]

My guess would be that the difference maker, as stated, of the Trump sign was interpreted as conveying an anti-black message given its use by a minority of his supporters in promoting hate towards non straight white Christians.

Then again, they're all dressed pretty rednecky, maybe it was a theme day and the sign went along with it.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(12-15-2016, 12:42 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Not finding much.

I don't care for this source much, but agree for the most part.

http://turtleboysports.com/high-school-kids-turn-their-back-on-opposing-basketball-team-become-national-villains-when-shaun-king-calls-them-racist/

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Oh well if Shaun King said it, it's got to be racist.
He ranks right up there with Sharpton for race baiting.

1 kid out of 50 had a Trump sign. that does not make the entire event a racist thing.
Lucky they never played against my HS. You wouldn't have been able to hear their names being called.

[Belsnickel]

(12-15-2016, 02:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Lucky they never played against my HS. You wouldn't have been able to hear their names being called.

A different level, but our university's pep band does a great job of jabbing at the opposing team during their intros. And then they finish it up with this:

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(12-15-2016, 01:53 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: My guess would be that the difference maker, as stated, of the Trump sign was interpreted as conveying an anti-black message given its use by a minority of his supporters in promoting hate towards non straight white Christians.

Then again, they're all dressed pretty rednecky, maybe it was a theme day and the sign went along with it.

Seeing as Trump never made any disparaging remarks about Black people I don't see how one could credibly make that argument.

[Dill]

(12-15-2016, 03:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Seeing as Trump never made any disparaging remarks about Black people I don't see how one could credibly make that argument.

Yeah. There is no "there" there.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(12-15-2016, 11:22 PM)Dill Wrote: Yeah. There is no "there" there.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

None of your links contain Trump saying anything bad about Black people.  #fakenews

[Dill]

(12-16-2016, 12:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: None of your links contain Trump saying anything bad about Black people.  #fakenews

And yet:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(12-16-2016, 12:43 AM)Dill Wrote: And yet:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

None of which responds to my point.  #fakepost

[Dill]

(12-16-2016, 12:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: None of which responds to my point.  #fakepost

You were all puzzled how anyone could connect Trump with racism. After all he said nothing disparaging about all those African-Americans living in inner city hell. He even had his own African-american over there at one of his rallies. That was decades after he settled his housing discrimination problem. And challenging Obama's citizenship was not about race at all. Quite a stretch to see racism behind the wall or Muslim ban. That's all about geography and religion.

AND YET, many people DO connect Trump with racism. Even though he has said "nothing disparaging" about African Americans, White nationalists/supremecists hold him up as their symbol of White Power. Total mystery.

Perhaps you are arguing that because Trump said nothing YOU found disparaging, the incidents linked below never took place. Fake news, as you said. Liberal reporters did not check their facts.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

[*bfine32*]

(12-16-2016, 01:21 AM)Dill Wrote: You were all puzzled how anyone could connect Trump with racism. After all he said nothing disparaging about all those African-Americans living in inner city hell. He even had his own African-american over there at one of his rallies. That was decades after he settled his housing discrimination problem. And challenging Obama's citizenship was not about race at all. Quite a stretch to see racism behind the wall or Muslim ban. That's all about geography and religion.

AND YET, many people DO connect Trump with racism. Even though he has said "nothing disparaging" about African Americans, they hold him up as their symbol of White Power. Total mystery.

Perhaps you are arguing that because Trump said nothing YOU found disparaging, the incidents linked below never took place. Fake news, as you said. Liberal reporters did not check their facts.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/video-catches-students-shouting-white-power-while-marching-with-trump-sign-at-pennsylvania-school/
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/10/fck-nggers-racist-pro-trump-graffiti-found-schools-across-nation/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/students-wear-white-power-shirts-to-homecoming-activity.html
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/michigan-middle-school-students-chant-build-the-wall-while-latino-students-cry/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/trump-fans-film-themselves-driving-through-womens-college-and-harassing-black-students/

Which one of those links has Trump saying negative comments toward black folk?

Just post the link and provide the quote is all that is required. 

[Dill]

(12-16-2016, 01:31 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Which one of those links has Trump saying negative comments toward black folk?

Just post the link and provide the quote is all that is required. 

What is required is evidence that Trump supporters frequently make his name and his presidency part of their performed racism. That I have provided.

If high school kids march down a hallway shouting "White Power" and carrying a Trump sign, there is little point in saying that racist performance has nothing to do with Trump because Trump made no comments that YOU consider negative. Obviously Trump supporters with an explicitly racist agenda disagree and are drawn to him.

Perhaps challenging Obama's citizenship, chanting build the wall, and banning Muslims are policies much loved by racists, who therefore embrace Trump as their guy even if he doesn't "say" anything that would qualify as racism to you.

Racists are not the only ones who think birtherism, the wall, and the Muslim ban are racist. The majority of African Americans, Hispanics, and Muslims think so as well. And when the REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE finds a Trump comment meets the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of racism, then it is very odd to find Trump supporters so puzzled that Trump posters are now used like the Swastika or Confederate flag, Pepe and other common right-wing paraphernalia to make "statements".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-racist-comment/

When the Department of Justice brought suits against Trump for discrimination in housing, they weren't looking for "disparaging comments" to prove their case. Why would anyone think COMMENTS are the only way to establish racism. Putting "Cs" on housing applications isn't making a "comment", is it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord.

[*bfine32*]

(12-16-2016, 04:41 AM)Dill Wrote: What is required is evidence that Trump supporters frequently make his name and his presidency part of their performed racism. That I have provided.

If high school kids march down a hallway shouting "White Power" and carrying a Trump sign, there is little point in saying that racist performance has nothing to do with Trump because Trump made no comments that YOU consider negative. Obviously Trump supporters with an explicitly racist agenda disagree and are drawn to him.

Perhaps challenging Obama's citizenship, chanting build the wall, and banning Muslims are policies much loved by racists, who therefore embrace Trump as their guy even if he doesn't "say" anything that would qualify as racism to you.

Racists are not the only ones who think birtherism, the wall, and the Muslim ban are racist. The majority of African Americans, Hispanics, and Muslims think so as well. And when the REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE finds a Trump comment meets the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of racism, then it is very odd to find Trump supporters so puzzled that Trump posters are now used like the Swastika or Confederate flag, Pepe and other common right-wing paraphernalia to make "statements".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-racist-comment/

When the Department of Justice brought suits against Trump for discrimination in housing, they weren't looking for "disparaging comments" to prove their case. Why would anyone think COMMENTS are the only way to establish racism. Putting "Cs" on housing applications isn't making a "comment", is it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord.

Oh, no doubt there are small minded folks influenced by a great many things. I was just looking for a direct quote; as i believe SSf also inquired as to.

BLM members have advocated killing cops, Obama supports the BLM movement. Is it fair to say Obamais a symbol for killing cops?

[tigerseye]

I wonder if low lifes like the White Supremacy leaders know if their support of a candidate will actually harm that candidate in the long run and increase racial tensions? I'm sure they know that.

Base what you think about Trump on what Trump does. Not on what some a-holes do.

Clintons run elections on us v them strategy. (sexism,racism,xenophobia,homophobia,transgenderphobia,etc...) Basket of Deplorables.

Don't fall for this crap.

The Reps and Dems are two sides of the same coin. Its a show to keep us bizee.

Trump (hope he is not one of them) is going against the Globalists (Bush,Clinton, Soros, Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Main Stream Propaganda and all its parts, Individuals (but not all) within the FBI,CIA,DOJ,Rep Party, Dem Party,.....)

The Globalists have not been hiding what they are up to. Research it, while you still can. Soros and Facebook are right now taking steps to attack our free speech.

Soros has done this before in other countries (orange revolution, green revolution, purple revolution,...)

It is the mushroom theory. Keep them in the dark and feed them a bunch of sh%t.

Our Constitution is in the way of the Globalists thats why it is constantly being attacked.

[Millhouse]

In the article from the OP, I found this : "The Warrensburg district's superintendent Scott Patrick said in an interview with the Star that the tradition of the student section turning its back on the opposing team is a longstanding one, but that this incident was different."

So really it was just the Trump sign being held up was the issue.