Why does Trump hang out with so many pedophiles?

[GMDino]

(07-20-2023, 07:05 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Here is a thread about right wing sexual predators :

https://twitter.com/GOPpredators

1104 for now convicted. And yes, the vast majority are pastors and church workers ... What a surprise ...

And they don't just sniff hairs if you see what I mean.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ALABAMA: A Department of Education employee who previously started an anti-abortion PAC was arrested and charged with sexual abuse of a child under 12 years old. <a href="https://t.co/EEuWQADYJc">https://t.co/EEuWQADYJc</a> <a href="https://t.co/WuyPZS7phS">pic.twitter.com/WuyPZS7phS</a></p>&mdash; The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1682216036400021505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2023</a></blockquote> 

[*pally*]

Sound of Freedom a movie produced by QAnon followers to push their child trafficking/pedophilia conspiracy theories has been a top viewing choice among conservatives. As always, they accuse people of things they are guilty of

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-165000513.html

Alejandro Monteverde’s Sound of Freedom has generated two things in excess: cash (its domestic box office haul since its July 3 release has topped $155 million) and controversy. One month out, it persists. In the time since the movie was released, news broke that the fantastical movie’s real-life subject, Tim Ballard, left his anti-trafficking organization Operation Underground Railroad “after an internal investigation into claims made against him by multiple employees—something which OUR does not dispute,” according to a Vice report. Details of his departure have yet to leak.

The latest thing to make you go hmmmm involving this movie and the people who helped bring it to the public is the recent arrest of Fabian Marta, who bragged about helping fund the movie after Disney shelved it. According to the Missouri Courts website, Marta was charged July 21 with child kidnapping, a felony. According to Newsweek, which published his mugshot, Marta was arrested on July 23. “A person commits the offense of child kidnapping if he or she is not a relative of the child within the third degree and, knowing he or she has no right to do so, removes a child under the age of fourteen without consent of the child’s parents or guardian, or confines such child for a substantial period of time without such consent,” is how Marta’s charge is defined on the Missouri Revisor of Statutes.

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(08-04-2023, 03:08 PM)pally Wrote: Sound of Freedom a movie produced by QAnon followers to push their child trafficking/pedophilia conspiracy theories has been a top viewing choice among conservatives.  As always, they accuse people of things they are guilty of

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-165000513.html

This has always been Trump's tactic to accuse his opponents of exactly what he is doing to deflect attention away from himself.  
Close to home a guy I went to HS with and living here in Cincy,  who was big into QAnon and a die-hard Trump supporter, was busted for producing and pandering child porn.  His defense-- He was setting a trap to catch pedos who would buy this garbage to turn them into law enforcement.  When the police raided his home, he said, "Well, at least they weren't my kids in the videos."
https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-man-charged-with-pandering-obscenity-in-case-involving-a-child/35813351

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-04-2023, 03:08 PM)pally Wrote: Sound of Freedom a movie produced by QAnon followers to push their child trafficking/pedophilia conspiracy theories has been a top viewing choice among conservatives.  As always, they accuse people of things they are guilty of

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-165000513.html

Alejandro Monteverde’s Sound of Freedom has generated two things in excess: cash (its domestic box office haul since its July 3 release has topped $155 million) and controversy. One month out, it persists. In the time since the movie was released, news broke that the fantastical movie’s real-life subject, Tim Ballard, left his anti-trafficking organization Operation Underground Railroad “after an internal investigation into claims made against him by multiple employees—something which OUR does not dispute,” according to a Vice report. Details of his departure have yet to leak.

The latest thing to make you go hmmmm involving this movie and the people who helped bring it to the public is the recent arrest of Fabian Marta, who bragged about helping fund the movie after Disney shelved it. According to the Missouri Courts website, Marta was charged July 21 with child kidnapping, a felony. According to Newsweek, which published his mugshot, Marta was arrested on July 23. “A person commits the offense of child kidnapping if he or she is not a relative of the child within the third degree and, knowing he or she has no right to do so, removes a child under the age of fourteen without consent of the child’s parents or guardian, or confines such child for a substantial period of time without such consent,” is how Marta’s charge is defined on the Missouri Revisor of Statutes.

Honest question here.  Does not the organization portrayed in this movie keep records of all the children they've rescued?  Is being anti-child trafficking now a polarizing political point?  Does the movie make a point to target the left as being in the child trafficking business?  If the movie is bringing awareness to an horrible issue like this is the fact that a single funder is accused of such a crime an indictment of the movie's message?  As someone who deals with child trafficking on a regular basis in the course of my job I absolutely welcome more attention being brought to the problem, because it is extensive and it is absolutely underreported.

[*pally*]

(08-04-2023, 07:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Honest question here.  Does not the organization portrayed in this movie keep records of all the children they've rescued?  Is being anti-child trafficking now a polarizing political point?  Does the movie make a point to target the left as being in the child trafficking business?  If the movie is bringing awareness to an horrible issue like this is the fact that a single funder is accused of such a crime an indictment of the movie's message?  As someone who deals with child trafficking on a regular basis in the course of my job I absolutely welcome more attention being brought to the problem, because it is extensive and it is absolutely underreported.

No one, with morals and a conscious, is pro-child trafficking.  The concern about this particular movie includes the fact that the rescue organization portrayed hasn't shared its records making it difficult for anyone to confirm their stories of rescues and such.  

Reality is bad enough...but this movie which is called a documentary is more of a based on a true story type of thing rather than an actual factual telling of the problem of human trafficking

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188405402/qanon-supporters-are-promoting-sound-of-freedom-heres-why

Quote:On screen, Sound of Freedom goes even further in fictionalizing Ballard's story, showing him single-handedly taking on a crime syndicate in Colombia.

These popular depictions raise concerns among anti-trafficking experts, who say they offer an incomplete portrait of a real and urgent problem

Quote:Many of the missions Operation Underground Railroad describes are hard to verify or contain significant misrepresentations, according to extensive reporting by Tim Marchman and Anna Merlan of Vice News.

"They're not whole cloth falsehoods, but they reassemble things that are true or close to being true into stories that are just wildly and completely different from what actually happened," Marchman said.

Quote:In a long blog post about the film, Angel Studios acknowledged some elements are fictionalized and said the film takes "creative liberties in depicting the different methods of child trafficking."

 The promoters of the movie itself are deep into the Qanon community and in appearances promoting the film have espoused many of their theories inclduind the idea that these exploited children are being killed so that adrenochrome can be harvested.  That actually furthers the exploitation of children as they are being used to further crazy ideas.  Human trafficking deserves a truly serious look at it, not conspiracy exploitation.  To discover that one of the finaciers of ths movie is involved in a kidnapping of a child just is ironical considering what they are attempting to expose.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-04-2023, 07:51 PM)pally Wrote: No one, with morals and a conscious, is pro-child trafficking.  The concern about this particular movie includes the fact that the rescue organization portrayed hasn't shared its records making it difficult for anyone to confirm their stories of rescues and such.  

Reality is bad enough...but this movie which is called a documentary is more of a based on a true story type of thing rather than an actual factual telling of the problem of human trafficking

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188405402/qanon-supporters-are-promoting-sound-of-freedom-heres-why

You do know that the exact same claim could truthfully be leveled at literally almost every Hollywood film "based on a true story" (Good Fellas included btw)?  They always bend the true events to make a more compelling movie, in their opinion.  

Quote: The promoters of the movie itself are deep into the Qanon community and in appearances promoting the film have espoused many of their theories inclduind the idea that these exploited children are being killed so that adrenochrome can be harvested.

 
OK, is any of this actually in the move itself?  See, you didn't answer a lot of my questions, so I am forced to ask more.

Quote:That actually furthers the exploitation of children as they are being used to further crazy ideas.

 
How does that, if true, "further the exploitation of children"?  As I said, I deal with this issue all the time and this has literally never come up.

Quote:Human trafficking deserves a truly serious look at it, not conspiracy exploitation.

 
Let's say you're correct, where is the "truly serious look at it" film?  When is it coming out.  Is it in development?

Quote:To discover that one of the finaciers of ths movie is involved in a kidnapping of a child just is ironical considering what they are attempting to expose.

Ironical?  

I repeat, how does one financier, out of how many btw, being involved in this film invalidate or compromise the film's anti-trafficking message?  Again, I say this as someone who hasn't seen the film and doesn't intend to (it's too much like being at work).  Let's say this guy is a 100% scumbag, does that invalidate the film bringing awareness to child trafficking?  

[GMDino]

(08-04-2023, 07:51 PM)pally Wrote: No one, with morals and a conscious, is pro-child trafficking.  The concern about this particular movie includes the fact that the rescue organization portrayed hasn't shared its records making it difficult for anyone to confirm their stories of rescues and such.  

Reality is bad enough...but this movie which is called a documentary is more of a based on a true story type of thing rather than an actual factual telling of the problem of human trafficking

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188405402/qanon-supporters-are-promoting-sound-of-freedom-heres-why





 The promoters of the movie itself are deep into the Qanon community and in appearances promoting the film have espoused many of their theories inclduind the idea that these exploited children are being killed so that adrenochrome can be harvested.  That actually furthers the exploitation of children as they are being used to further crazy ideas.  Human trafficking deserves a truly serious look at it, not conspiracy exploitation.  To discover that one of the finaciers of ths movie is involved in a kidnapping of a child just is ironical considering what they are attempting to expose.

The movie is a Q fever dream.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Flynn is using QAnon movie “Sound of Freedom” to recruit for American ISIS ?<br><br>“We’re training people to prepare to go after these psychopath pedophiles…they are all sizes, shapes and colors AND political philosophies.” <br><br>So, Mike Flynn will tell you who the pedophiles are.… <a href="https://t.co/xBbsbssRzh">https://t.co/xBbsbssRzh</a> <a href="https://t.co/u1SFinDD6F">pic.twitter.com/u1SFinDD6F</a></p>&mdash; Jim Stewartson, Anti-disinfo activist ????? (@jimstewartson) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimstewartson/status/1678932791092994048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2023</a></blockquote>

That's why the MAGA folks flocked to it.

The issue is one worth fighting for.  The fantasy aspects of the film are typical of a film trying to glorify something or someone.

The problem is the cult members believe it is 100% true and, as you pointed out, the folks behind it or more than a little shady.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/AngelStudiosInc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AngelStudiosInc</a> if you are so grateful to law enforcement for arresting “Sound of Freedom” funder Fabian Marta, did you screen your funders, producers, and actors before putting them in the credits? Are you going to now?<br><br>If Fabian Marta was the only funder with problems,… <a href="https://t.co/TK2bO17cY1">https://t.co/TK2bO17cY1</a></p>&mdash; Jim Stewartson, Anti-disinfo activist ????? (@jimstewartson) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimstewartson/status/1687567470633324544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> 

[Lucidus]

(08-04-2023, 08:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:  Let's say this guy is a 100% scumbag, does that invalidate the film bringing awareness to child trafficking?  

Just to add some context; Ballard has been using his war on sex trafficking mantra as his primary fundraising tool for the past decade, yet he has repeatedly refused to opened the books of either OURS or The Nazarene Project, to show where the money has gone and how it's been used. Furthermore, there are curious "missions" that can't be verified to have ever happened. With the scrutiny over those things increasing, he has opted to leave both groups for undisclosed reasons. Ballard's history with the truth has rather precarious, to say the least. 

I agree with you that any awareness raised concerning the issue of sex trafficking is beneficial. However, whatever the movie's intent, the actual topic of sex trafficking took a backseat rather quickly after it's release; with the focus becoming more about inane conspiracy theories.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-04-2023, 08:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: The movie is a Q fever dream.

Have you seen it to make this judgment?

Quote:That's why the MAGA folks flocked to it.

Do you have demographic information about the audience that isn't available to others?

Quote:The issue is one worth fighting for.  The fantasy aspects of the film are typical of a film trying to glorify something or someone.

It's a movie.  As I said, I haven't seen it.  But, exaggeration of true events is Hollywood's bread and butter.

Quote:The problem is the cult members believe it is 100% true and, as you pointed out, the folks behind it or more than a little shady.

Folks?  As in plural?  Do you have evidence of nefarious activity of others involved in this film?  Harvey Weinstein was intimately involved in many of Tarantino's films, does that make them bad films?

(08-04-2023, 08:57 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Just to add some context; Ballard has been using his war on sex trafficking mantra as his primary fundraising tool for the past decade, yet he has repeatedly refused to opened the books of either OURS or The Nazarene Project, to show where the money has gone and how it's been used. Furthermore, there are curious "missions" that can't be verified to have ever happened. With the scrutiny over those things increasing, he has opted to leave both groups for undisclosed reasons. Ballard's history with the truth has rather precarious, to say the least.

As I said, I'm not familiar with the organization.  I have no idea if people involved with it were, or are, shady on any level.  

Quote:I agree with you that any awareness raised concerning the issue of sex trafficking is beneficial.

I never doubted your intent in that regard

Quote:However, whatever the movie's intent, the actual topic of sex trafficking took a backseat rather quickly after it's release; with the focus becoming more about inane conspiracy theories.

This is where I start to tune out on the arguments against this film.  Let's say some of its proponents use it to gin up conspiracy theories.  How does that detract from the film's message?  It's like saying J.D. Salinger had a hand in John Lennon's death.  Once a piece of art/fiction is released it's subject to the interpretation of those viewing it.  Unless someone can show that the filmmaker's intent was to propagate pizza gate style conspiracy theories the opposition to this movie does not make its detractors look very good.  Can this be done?

[masonbengals fan]

Some of you have mindsets that I will truly never understand.

[GMDino]

(08-04-2023, 08:57 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Just to add some context; Ballard has been using his war on sex trafficking mantra as his primary fundraising tool for the past decade, yet he has repeatedly refused to opened the books of either OURS or The Nazarene Project, to show where the money has gone and how it's been used. Furthermore, there are curious "missions" that can't be verified to have ever happened. With the scrutiny over those things increasing, he has opted to leave both groups for undisclosed reasons. Ballard's history with the truth has rather precarious, to say the least. 

I agree with you that any awareness raised concerning the issue of sex trafficking is beneficial. However, whatever the movie's intent, the actual topic of sex trafficking took a backseat rather quickly after it's release; with the focus becoming more about inane conspiracy theories.

And the press tour proved that.

I shared a list of some of the backers and their questionable backgrounds.  How the movie is being used to push the Q theories shouldn't even be debated no matter what the content of the film is.

I still have friends who insist that Tom Hanks would have been arrested by now for child trafficking if he didn't apply for some dual citizenship in Greece!!!

And of course Pizzagate remains a thing all these years later.

This film might be the equivalent to 2001 but only if the producers and backers and the majority of the film supporters believed the moon landing was faked and the deep state is trying to shoot our children into space for aliens to have sex with. 

[GMDino]

I forgot to also post the entire tweet above that folks (more than one?) may not know how to click and open to read about some more shady people behind this film.

Quote:Hey

@AngelStudiosInc
if you are so grateful to law enforcement for arresting “Sound of Freedom” funder Fabian Marta, did you screen your funders, producers, and actors before putting them in the credits? Are you going to now?

If Fabian Marta was the only funder with problems, that would be one thing. He’s isn’t.

—Eduardo Verastegui, producer/actor, disciple of one of the worst pedophiles in Mexican history, Marcial Maciel, and current member of infamous pedophile-ridden child trafficking Catholic congregation Legion of Christ

—Alejandro Monteverde, director, whose only two other films were with Verastegui, including the last film in 2015 called “Little Boy” which was a small budget movie about a dwarf teenager which required more than a thousand prepubescent boys to audition for some reason

—Former richest man, Carlos Slim, funder, a Mexican mafia warlord who enables drug and human trafficking at scale

—Tony Robbins, funder, MAGA self-help fraud in business with international terrorist Erik Prince, and credibly accused of sexual harassment of underage girls

—Lee Severino, producer, who admits to grooming his wife while she was an underage high school girl and he was her church guidance counselor, and did a film with Verastegui and Monteverde while infamous pedophile Marcial Maciel was still alive

—Tim Ballard, producer/alleged subject of the film, says he has watched thousands of hours of CSAM and can’t watch his own movie, and raised money by spreading the lie that children are sold in Wayfair cabinets

—Jim Caviezel, actor, brainwashed QAnon/Pizzagate propagandist who can’t find work anywhere else and makes a living lying to people at QAnon conferences

So Angel Studios, this entire production is dirty and you know it. Are you going to distance yourself from the rest of your cast and crew?

To put it more clearly...the calls are coming from inside the house.

[GMDino]

FTR the information below was public knowledge long before the arrest.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please meet Fabian Marta who runs “Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby” parties, who is also credited at the end of “Sound of Freedom.”<br><br>He claims that he rescued the film after “Disney tried to bury it.” <a href="https://t.co/ULl6vNEQQy">pic.twitter.com/ULl6vNEQQy</a></p>&mdash; Jim Stewartson, Anti-disinfo activist ????? (@jimstewartson) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimstewartson/status/1678539924990205952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2023</a></blockquote>

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-05-2023, 09:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: And the press tour proved that.

So why haven't you posted evidence of this?  I'm not even saying you're wrong, but you've supplied no evidence to back you claims.

Quote:I shared a list of some of the backers and their questionable backgrounds.  How the movie is being used to push the Q theories shouldn't even be debated no matter what the content of the film is.

You shared a tweet with allegations.  That is not proof.

Quote:I still have friends who insist that Tom Hanks would have been arrested by now for child trafficking if he didn't apply for some dual citizenship in Greece!!!

What do your friends, if they actually exist, have to do with this film?

Quote:And of course Pizzagate remains a thing all these years later.

Is the movie about Pizzagate?  Again, I haven't seen it (have you?), so I don't know.

Quote:This film might be the equivalent to 2001 but only if the producers and backers and the majority of the film supporters believed the moon landing was faked and the deep state is trying to shoot our children into space for aliens to have sex with. 

Yeah, except you're not providing any proof.

(08-05-2023, 10:30 AM)GMDino Wrote: I forgot to also post the entire tweet above that folks (more than one?) may not know how to click and open to read about some more shady people behind this film.



To put it more clearly...the calls are coming from inside the house.

Uh, this is an unsubstantiated tweet containing a lot of allegations with zero proof to back them up.  Some of the allegations in this tweet come off as outright slanderous.  This is your proof?  An unlinked tweet with unsubstantiated allegations?  This is a decidedly poor effort even by your standards.  Some of this may even be true, but you've supplied zero evidence of it.

To put it more clearly... the calls are coming from inside your head.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

Apparently there is more to the story of the guy arrested for kidnapping. First off, he is not a producer, but a guy who donated to the crowdfunding for the film, along with over 6,000 other people. Secondly, the charges are related to a custody dispute and the child is a woman's who was renting a residence from this guy.

https://deadline.com/2023/08/sound-of-freedom-child-kidnapping-charge-angel-studios-response-1235455255/


Now just to be clear, we’re talking one person who contributed an unidentified amount of money to the $5M P&A crowdfunding campaign put together by Angel Studios.


Deadline reached out to the attorney of Marta, Scott Rosenblum of Rosenblum, Schwartz & Fry, in St. Louis who calls the criminal charges against his client “unfounded.”

“I don’t understand how they’re charging him with this,” Rosenblum told Deadline, “He has nothing to do with kidnapping anyone.”

Marta is a landlord to a woman who was involved in a custody dispute with her aunt. Marta was allegedly providing living arrangements to said woman and her child, the former who is involved in rehabbing the rental property.


Again, I haven't seen this movie, and I literally have no dog in this fight. I just find it curious that some of our resident far leftists are so determined to attack a movie about preventing the sexual exploitation of children. Maybe some more unsubstantiated twitter allegations could help clear this up?

[grampahol]

Flynn recently said, "I highly encourage you to attend our child trafficking training in Florida!" 
Yikes! Florida is training people to traffic kids?  That explains a lot..

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

USA Today has an Op-Ed that at least tries to be fair about the film.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/08/04/sound-freedom-trafficking-secondary-exploitation/70464194007/

Certainly more than can be said for many in this thread, who have gone suspiciously silent.

[GMDino]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sound-freedom-protagonist-tim-ballard-203457021.html

Quote:‘Sound of Freedom’ Protagonist Tim Ballard Left Operation Underground Railroad After Sexual Misconduct Investigation
Umberto Gonzalez
Mon, September 18, 2023 at 1:34 PM PDT·1 min read
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Anti–child trafficking crusader Tim Ballard, who is the basis for “Sound of Freedom” and played by Jim Cavaziel in the hit film, left Operation Underground Railroad earlier this summer following a sexual misconduct investigation, according to Vice news.


According to the report, Ballard enlisted women to accompany him as a “spouse” during secretive overseas operations ostensibly aimed at rescuing victims of sex trafficking. Ballard would then pressure these women into sharing a bed or shower, justifying it as a necessary ruse to deceive traffickers.

Ballard even sent at least one woman a photo of himself in underwear adorned with counterfeit tattoos and asked another how far she was willing to go to help save children.

According to Vice, “The total number of women involved is believed to be higher than seven, as that would only account for employees, not contractors or volunteers.”

In response, an O.U.R. spokesperson made the following statement to Vice:

Tim Ballard resigned from O.U.R. on June 22, 2023. He has permanently separated from O.U.R.
O.U.R. is dedicated to combatting sexual abuse, and does not tolerate sexual harassment or discrimination by anyone in its organization.

O.U.R. retained an independent law firm to conduct a comprehensive investigation of all relevant allegations, and O.U.R. continues to assess and improve the governance of the organization and protocols for its operations.

To preserve the integrity of its investigation and to protect the privacy of all persons involved, O.U.R. will not make any further public comment at this time.

O.U.R. is confident in its future as the leading organization committed to combatting sex trafficking and saving children who have been captured and sold into slavery.

The Vice report did not name the women and they did not respond to request for comment, or have declined to comment. Additionally, individuals who know the women say “they fear retaliation and the effects scandal could have on OUR as it seeks to move on without Ballard—whom sources say is currently trying to work his way back into the organization,” according to Vice.

Ballard, who has aligned himself with Donald Trump, served in an appointed role on a public-private anti-trafficking council during the Trump administration and even featured the former president on his podcast.

Ballard is contemplating entering the Senate race, which will see Mitt Romney vacate his seat.

The post ‘Sound of Freedom’ Protagonist Tim Ballard Left Operation Underground Railroad After Sexual Misconduct Investigation appeared first on TheWrap.

Of course he's considering running for office.  Of course he is.

[LSUfaninTN]

(07-17-2023, 02:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Don't forget Obummer's birth certificate.  Very interesting stuff regarding that coming soon. 

You know Hillary was the one who started that, right? 

[LSUfaninTN]

Today I learned that since I’m not offended by mean tweets, I too, am a pedophile.

Sorry guys. I had no idea.

Just a guess, I think Trump probably wanted to hang out with Bill Clinton. Maybe Bill took him under his wing and showed him the ropes. They probably raped kids together. You can learn a lot from speculation.

Gimme a break. Dumb thread is dumb.