Why is life expectancy way lower in the US than the other civilized countries

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-05-2023, 07:39 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I just wish you’d stop saying it’s free. There is no cost at the time of treatment. It may still be cheaper to you, but it’s not free.

When I mean free, I mean monetarily, no money leaves my pocket or my bank account to pay for these services.

I apologise if that wasn't clear.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-06-2023, 01:46 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: When I mean free, I mean monetarily, no money leaves my pocket or my bank account to pay for these services.

I apologise if that wasn't clear.

So you guys probably don't even have HSA accounts? (Health Savings Accounts)

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-06-2023, 01:55 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: So you guys probably don't even have HSA accounts? (Health Savings Accounts)

No idea what that is

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-05-2023, 04:57 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 1. Care is 100% NOT better than us.
2. SSF said it best in terms of, "talent:" you guys have more cosmetic surgeons (a shit-ton more) and experimental surgeons, not to mention the athletic side of things, with the major 4 sports being headquartered in the country.


Yeah, we don't.

Like, not at all.

If Canadians go down to the US for healthcare, it is for one of three things:

1. They need a cosmetic surgery that is not, "legal," in our country
2. They need an experimental or radical new surgery/treatment for their ailment (such as Lyme disease, of which you guys have many more experimental treatments), that is not, "legal," in our country.
3. They are American AND/or have copious amounts of money and just choose to skip the wait here.

There is one flaw with our system and it isn't the system's fault: long wait times.

The long wait times are due to not having enough insurance-covered doctors in the country, as the population has increased but the amount of doctors has not increased too much, thus for universal healthcare, you need to get in line and wait your turn.

But:

A. this isn't as bad as it seems and
B. those who are more in-need get moved up if necessary

Also the quality of care is phenomenal, I guarantee the hospital stay when my son was born was as good if not better than what you guys have down there and it was all free, again.

The dearth of doctors is the cause for long wait times, namely with specialists: there just aren't enough to serve all of the people need it.

I waited 5 weeks to have my cancer surgery, having a CT Scan and MRI in between my initial appointment and the surgery itself, then biopsies for the malignant tissue, followed by 5 years (ended up being 6 due to moving to Calgary lol) of follow-up appointments.

All free, didn't pay a cent.

Sure you may get seen in 2 weeks if you get seen in the US, but how much will it cost out of pocket? Unless I'm literally on my deathbed, I'll wait even 2 months longer to get seen, if it is free, thank you.

A co-worker had a Burrow and Carsone injury back in January and had her surgery in March, followed by physiotherapy and rehab ever since. All free.

Yes, she waited a little over 2 months, but all free.

People coming down to the US is like the bullshit convoy from last year: sure, SOME people may be doing it and SOME people may not like the healthcare, but that's literally like 7% of the entire affected population and I can promise that 6.5% of said population, have the financial means to come down to the US.

Also, in that first article, Perth and the place that guy are from are rural towns, where not only is there less healthcare setup, but they also lean HEAVILY to the right, politically and who is the small minority advocating for privatised healthcare in Canada?

Exactly.

EDIT* I realise that it sounds snarky, but it wasn't my intention: I'm just sick of the narrative that we hate our free healthcare, when the overwhelming majority have no issues with it at all, outside of long wait times.

And I will say that between my wife and myself, since 2011, we have had to go to the hospital a combined 7 times for various things: the longest either of us had to wait to be seen or to receive care, was *maybe* 20 minutes.

Thank you for the first hand knowledge, and no I didn't take your post as being snarky.  I do have one follow up question.  Do you think the shortage of medical practioners is partly due to the fact that being a doctor is less lucrative in Canada as opposed to the US?

[*pally*]

(09-06-2023, 01:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Thank you for the first hand knowledge, and no I didn't take your post as being snarky.  I do have one follow up question.  Do you think the shortage of medical practioners is partly due to the fact that being a doctor is less lucrative in Canada as opposed to the US?

There is also a serious shortage of doctors in the US, especially in rural area.  Part of the issue is there is not enough slots in medical schools and residencies to make up for the shortage 

[Mickeypoo]

(09-01-2023, 10:06 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Yes but actually health care expenditures is higher than the other countries. 

Sounds this money is being badly allocated.

It sure is!  We send billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions to other countries.      And spend billions and billions and billions and billions more on illegal aliens.

[*pally*]

(09-06-2023, 01:46 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: It sure is!  We send billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions to other countries.      And spend billions and billions and billions and billions more on illegal aliens.

and billions and billions and billions and billions more in providing serious profits for insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, lobbyists, and everyone else involved in medical care, except the front-line workers.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-06-2023, 01:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Thank you for the first hand knowledge, and no I didn't take your post as being snarky.  I do have one follow up question.  Do you think the shortage of medical practioners is partly due to the fact that being a doctor is less lucrative in Canada as opposed to the US?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason: one of my best friends just moved to Floria and is studying medicine there, while someone I went to HS with went to the US 10 years ago to study medicine and has lived there since.

Another former co-worker (when I worked at the grocery store, Longo's) went and did his chiropractor stuff in Florida, met his future wife and they have a practice down there now.

Only one other person I know personally/went to school with is in the medical field and he has a physiotherapy practice in Hamilton (45 southwest of Toronto), that's it.

So If my circle/people I know is anything to go off by, then yes, not only is it more lucrative, but people jumping ship is the cause for the dearth!

So indeed, SSF, I think your question hit the nail on the head.

[Mickeypoo]

(09-02-2023, 10:01 AM)Dill Wrote: Maybe two blocks north of the train station? I may remember that. Good gyros all over Germany.


Yeah. That is our "culture" now. But you aren't going to attack capitalism, are you--business' right to make a profit?   

Nope.  That would be the parent/s fault for letting their child/children be raised on fast food/soda/junk food/video games.   

[Mickeypoo]

(09-05-2023, 08:55 AM)Nately120 Wrote: The prognosis on this can't be good.  A few people make an obscene amount of money conditioning Americans to think stuff like carbonated syrup and other American dietary go-tos are not only A-OK, but daily essentials.  Then when the damage is done and the bill comes due it's sent to the American people.  I'm not perfect (only Curt Hennig is, really) but I try to steer clear of a lot of the bad stuff for preventative measures.  Even still, I often look at those amazingly good thin-mint knock off cookies at wal mart and when I see that price tag that is oh so low and I think about putting those things in the fridge and then eating damn near the whole tray of them as soon as I remember I have them, that's when I always point out how hard it is to avoid calories in this system we've made.

It's not a herculean feat to stay in shape in the USA, but I'll say that getting obese is becoming more of an inadvertent thing these days so I don't even mean any of this as a sort of "shame on them, shame on us" statement, it's just the way it is.  Our perspectives are pretty warped too.  I'm 5'10 and fluctuate between 170 and 180lbs and I saw the mother of one of my ex gfs somewhat recently and she complimented me with a "Wow, you're still skinny!"  The STILL indicating that everyone just gets fat eventually, and the SKINNY indicating that our concept of weight in this country is a bit titled.

Add in that amusingly morbid 600lb Life show where you have one family member who is 600+ pounds and the rest of the family is still obese but not like "stuck in a bed" obese and they see themselves as normal.  Oh, and I could ramble on about how our society increasingly equates food that might not (let's be honest, even the good stuff is bad) instantly kill you with being a wimpy homosexual.  I got the plant-based sausage at Cracker Barrel once just to make everyone mad.  I can admit that I'm fairly straight even though I got plant sausage and I may have owned an Oliva Newton John album at one point.  



t;dr - HEY HEY HEY I'm FAAAAAAAAAAAAAT Albert!

I've always been a skinny guy.  People kept telling me, wait until your 30, wait until your 40, wait until your 50............................Well I am getting close to 50 and I am 6'2" 190.  Still waiting to get fat.  lol.   I was 215 lbs when I quit drinking.  In 3 months I dropped to 185 and stayed there for years.  Now, as I said, I am 190 and have been there for quite some time.

The big difference imo is that I rarely snack, don't drink soda/sugary drinks and I don't drink alcohol.  No caffeine either.  No coffee.  Seltzer water/water is 99.5% of what I drink.

I look at FB and it seems most people I am friends with, old classmates etc are all at least somewhat chunky to outright fat.  I notice this everywhere I go.  So many chunky/fat people.  It really is amazing.  The sad thing is you can't gain weight if you don't shove that food in your mouth.  It's almost always self inflicted.

The saddest thing I see are kids, sometimes they don't even look like they are teenagers, walking around with an energy drink.  One of the kids on one of my sons sports teams last year was bragging about how he drank 3 energy drinks before the game.   Just sad.  And the parents don't think twice.  

[Mickeypoo]

(09-06-2023, 01:49 PM)pally Wrote: and billions and billions and billions and billions more in providing serious profits for insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, lobbyists, and everyone else involved in medical care, except the front-line workers.

Those awesome front line workers got fired after working to save lives and exposing themselves to covid almost everyday for over a year because they didn't want a forced injection.  Truly disgusting.

Apparently those front line workers are very expendable.  Especially during a pandemic and nursing shortage.

[GMDino]

Americans are also infused with a desire to resist anyone telling them anything about how THEY lead THEIR lives.

To the point that they take any recommendation and make it sound like a mandate and then get irate about it!



Its all a false narrative to rile people up about things that aren't even happening.

Then, when we have a real emergency like Covid all those people won't trust anything they are told.

It's frustrating to say the least.

[GMDino]

Just another look at the topic.  This article was published last Friday, 9/1/23

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/01/america-life-expectancy-regions-00113369

Quote:Where you live in America can have a major effect on how young you die.

On paper, Lexington County, S.C., and Placer County, Calif., have a lot in common. They’re both big, wealthy, suburban counties with white supermajorities that border on their respective state’s capital cities. They both were at the vanguard of their states’ 20th century Republican advances — Lexington in the 1960s when it pivoted from the racist Dixiecrats; Placer with the Reagan Revolution in 1980 — and twice voted for Donald Trump by wide margins. But when it comes to how long their residents can count on living, the parallels fall apart. Placer has a Scandinavia-like life expectancy of 82.3 years. In Lexington, the figure is 77.7, a little worse than China’s.

Or take Maine’s far-flung Washington County, the poorest in New England where the per capita income is $27,437. The county is a hardscrabble swath of blueberry fields, forestland and fishing ports that was ravaged by the opioid epidemic and is almost completely white. It has one of the worst life expectancies in the entire Northeast: 75.5 years. But that’s more than six years better than the equally remote, forested, impoverished, white and drug-battered Perry County of eastern Kentucky.


The truth of life expectancy in America is that places with comparable profiles — similar advantages and similar problems — have widely different average life outcomes depending on what part of the country they belong to.

The Identities of the ‘American Nations’

In the book American Nations I argued that there has never been one America but rather several Americas, most of them developing from one or another of the rival colonial projects that formed on the eastern and southwestern rims of what is now the United States. These regional cultures — “nations,” if you will — had their own ethnographic, religious and political characteristics, distinct ideas about the balance between individual liberty and the common good and what the United States should become.

There is a more detailed summary here, but the nine large regions — with populations ranging from 13 and 63 million — are:

Yankeedom (pop. 55.8 million)
Founded by Puritans who sought to perfect earthly society through social engineering, individual denial for common good, and the assimilation of outsiders. The common good — ensured by popular government — took precedence over individual liberty when the two were in conflict.

New Netherland (pop. 18.8 million)
Dutch-founded and retains characteristics of 17th century Amsterdam: a global commercial trading culture, materialistic, multicultural and committed to tolerance and the freedom of inquiry and conscience.

Tidewater (pop. 12.6 million)
Founded by lesser sons of landed gentry seeking to recreate the semi-feudal manorial society of English countryside. Conservative with strong respect for authority and tradition, this culture is rapidly eroding because of its small physical size and the massive federal presence around D.C. and Hampton Roads.

Greater Appalachia (pop. 59 million)
Settlers overwhelmingly from war-ravaged Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scottish lowlands were deeply committed to personal sovereignty and intensely suspicious of external authority.

The Midlands (pop. 37.7 million)
Founded by English Quakers, who believed in humans’ inherent goodness and welcomed people of many nations and creeds. Pluralistic and organized around the middle class; ethnic and ideological purity never a priority; government seen as an unwelcome intrusion.

Deep South (pop. 43.5 million)
Established by English Barbadian slave lords who championed classical republicanism modeled on slave states of the ancient world, where democracy was the privilege of the few and subjugation and enslavement the natural lot of the many.

El Norte (pop. 33.3 million)
Borderlands of Spanish-American empire, so far from Mexico City and Madrid that it developed its own characteristics: independent, self-sufficient, adaptable and work-centered. Often sought to break away from Mexico to become independent buffer state, annexed into U.S. instead.

Left Coast (pop. 17.9 million)
Founded by New Englanders (who came by ship) and farmers, prospectors and fur traders from the lower Midwest (by wagon), it’s a fecund hybrid of Yankee utopianism and the Appalachian emphasis on self-expression and exploration.

Far West (pop. 28.7 million)
Extreme environment stopped eastern cultures in their path, so settlement largely controlled by distant corporations or federal government via deployment of railroads, dams, irrigation and mines; exploited as an internal colony, with lasting resentments.


Step back and look at a map of life expectancy across the country and the geographic patterns are as dramatic as they are obvious. If you live pretty much anywhere in the contiguous U.S., you can expect to live more than 78 years, unless you’re in the Deep South or the sprawling region I call Greater Appalachia, a region that stretches from southwestern Pennsylvania to the Ozarks and the Hill Country of Texas. Those two regions — which include all or parts of 16 deep red states and a majority of the House Republican caucus — have a life expectancy of 77, more than four and a half years lower than on the blue-leaning Pacific coastal plain. In the smaller, redder regional culture of New France (in southern Louisiana) the gap is just short of six years. So large are the regional gaps that the poorest set of counties in predominantly blue Yankee Northeast actually have higher life expectancies than the wealthiest ones in the Deep South. At a population level, a difference of five years is like the gap separating the U.S. from decidedly unwealthy Mongolia, Belarus or Libya, and six years gets you to impoverished El Salvador and Egypt.

It’s as if we are living in different countries. Because in a very real historical and political sense, we are.

The geography of U.S. life expectancy — and the policy environments that determine it — is the result of differences that are regional, cultural and political, with roots going back centuries to the people who arrived on the continent with totally different ideas about equality, the proper role of government, and the correct balance point between individual liberty and the common good. Once you understand how the country was colonized — and by whom — a number of insights into Americans’ overall health and longevity are revealed, along with some paths to improve the situation.





As I discussed in a widely read article on gun violence earlier this year, when it comes to defining U.S. regions you need to forget the Census Bureau’s divisions, which arbitrarily divide the country into a Northeast, Midwest, South and West, using often meaningless state boundaries and a depressing ignorance of history. The reason the U.S. has strong regional differences is precisely because our swath of the North American continent was settled in the 17th and 18th centuries by rival colonial projects that had very little in common, often despised one another and spread without regard for today’s state (or even international) boundaries.

Those colonial projects — Puritan-controlled New England; the Dutch-settled area around what is now New York City; the Quaker-founded Delaware Valley; the Scots-Irish-dominated upland backcountry of the Appalachians; the West Indies-style slave society in the Deep South; the Spanish project in the southwest and so on — had different religious, economic and ideological characteristics. They settled much of the eastern half and southwestern third of what is now the U.S. in mutually exclusive settlement bands before significant third party in-migration picked up steam in the 1840s. In the process — as I unpacked in my 2011 book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America — they laid down the institutions, cultural norms and ideas about freedom, social responsibility and the provision of public goods that later arrivals would encounter and, by and large, assimilate into. Some states lie entirely or almost entirely within one of these regional cultures (Mississippi, Vermont, Minnesota and Montana, for instance). Other states are split between the regions, propelling constant and profound internal disagreements on politics and policy alike in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, California and Oregon.




These women, pictured in 2016, live in Manhattan, N.Y., in the New Netherland region where life expectancy is 80.9 years, far higher than in other regions like Greater Appalachia and the Deep South. | Melina Mara/The Washington Post via Getty Images


At Nationhood Lab, a project I founded at Salve Regina University’s Pell Center for International Relations and Public Policy, we use this regional framework to analyze all manner of phenomena in American society and how one might go about responding to them. We’ve looked at everything from gun violence and attitudes toward threats to democracy to Covid-19 vaccination rates, rural vs. urban political behavior and the geography of the 2022 midterm elections. This summer we’ve been drilling down on health, including a detailed examination of the geography of life expectancy published earlier this week. Working with our data partners Motivf, we parsed the rich trove of county-level life expectancy estimates calculated from the Centers for Disease Control data for the years 2017-2020 by the University of Wisconsin Population Health Institute’s County Health Ranking and Roadmaps project. We wanted to answer the bottom-line question: Is your region helping extend your life or shorten it?





The results show enormous gaps between the regions that don’t go away when you parse by race, income, education, urbanization or access to quality medical care. They amount to a rebuke to generations of elected officials in the Deep South, Greater Appalachia and New France — most of whom have been Republican in recent decades — who have resisted investing tax dollars in public goods and health programs.
“We don’t have these differences in health outcomes because of individual behaviors, it’s related to the policy environments people are living in,” says Jeanne Ayers, who was Wisconsin’s top public health official during the Covid pandemic and is now executive director of Healthy Democracy Healthy People, a collaboration of 11 national public health agencies probing the links between political participation and health. “Your health is only 10 percent influenced by the medical environment and maybe 20 or 30 percent in behavioral choices. The social and political determinants of health are overwhelmingly what you’re seeing in these maps.”




A barn stands past a road sign outside Sandwich, Ill. There are fewer counties where most people can afford and access top-notch clinical care in the southern regions than the northern and Pacific coast ones. | Daniel Acker/Bloomberg via Getty Images


I shared these maps with cardiologist Donald Lloyd-Jones, a past president of the American Heart Association who chairs the preventive medicine department at Northwestern University in Chicago, who said they didn’t surprise him at all. “There’s a reason why the Southeastern portion of this country is called the Stroke Belt: It’s because the rates of stroke per capita are substantially higher there and mirrored by rates of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity and other risk factors.”





“The places on your map where you see orange and red have structural and systemic issues that limit people’s ability to have socioeconomic opportunity, access health care, or achieve maximum levels of education,” Lloyd-Jones added. “All of these policies affect your health and these disparities in longevity absolutely reflect social and structural and historical policies in those regions.”

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At Nationhood Lab we wondered if all of this is might just be a reflection of wealth. Some American regions have always had higher standards of living than others because their cultures prioritize the common good over individual liberty, social equality over economic freedom and quality services more than low taxes. The Deep South was founded by English slave lords from Barbados who didn’t care about shared prosperity; The Puritan founders of Yankeedom — who thought God had chosen them to create a more perfect society — very much did, and it made the average person materially a lot better off, both then and now. Maybe the differences between the regions would go away if you compared just rich counties to one another or just the poor ones?

Nope.

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We used the prevalence of child poverty as our metric and compared the life expectancy of the least impoverished quartile of U.S. counties — the “richest” ones, in other words — across the regions. As you see in the graphic below, the gaps persisted: 4.6 years between the rich counties in the Left Coast and Deep South, for instance. And they got wider from there when we compared the counties with the highest percentage of children living in poverty: a staggering 6.7 years between those same two regions. Further, the life expectancy gaps between rich and poor counties within each of these regions varied: It was more than twice as wide in Greater Appalachia (3.4 years) and the Deep South (4.3 years) as in Yankeedom (1.7 years.) We saw similar patterns when we repeated the exercise using education levels. When it comes to life and death, some regions are less equal than others.

The same went for relative access to quality clinical care. CHRR assigns every U.S. county a ranking for this based on a combination of 10 factors, including the number of doctors, dentists, mental health professionals, mammography screens, flu vaccinations and uninsured people per capita, as well as how often Medicare enrollees wind up admitted to hospitals with conditions that should be able to be treated on an outpatient basis, an indication the latter services weren’t available. We compared those counties in the top quartiles of this ranking system to one another across the regions and found the gap between them not only persisted, it actually widened, with the Deep South falling about two and half years behind Yankeedom, El Norte and the Far West, 4.4 years behind New Netherland and 5.1 behind Left Coast.





We repeated the experiment using counties that fell in the worst quartile for clinical care and saw the gap grow even wider, with Greater Appalachian (74.6) and Deep Southern (74.7) life expectancy in those communities lagging Yankeedom by about 3 years and New Netherland by about five and a half. That there are fewer counties where most people can afford and access top-notch clinical care in these southern regions than the northern and Pacific coast ones isn’t really a surprise: laissez-faire political leaders tend to create systems that have looser health insurance regulations, leaner Medicaid programs and fewer public and non-profit hospitals. That those that do manage to have decent services nonetheless underperform suggests reversing these gaps won’t be easy.

Turns out even the “haves” are not doing better in the “laissez-faire” regions. One of the most arresting facts that emerged from our analysis was that the most impoverished quartile of U.S. counties in Yankeedom (ones where around 30 to 60 percent of children live in poverty) have a higher life expectancy than the least impoverished quartile of U.S. counties (where child poverty ranges from 3 to 15 percent) in the Deep South by 0.3 years. Those are both big regions (circa 50 million people each) with a wide mix of counties: rural, urban, rich, poor, blue-collar and white-collar, agricultural and industrial. If you compare the poorest category of counties in (completely urbanized) New Netherland to the richest ones in Deep South, the former has a 0.4-year advantage in life expectancy. And people in the Left Coast’s poorest quartile of counties live 2.4 years longer than those in the richest quartile counties in the Deep South.

I asked CHRR’s co-director, Marjory Givens, for her reaction to the gaps. “This is logical considering the overall values and variation in health and opportunity of Yankeedom are more favorable than the Deep South or Greater Appalachia,” she said. “There are regions of the country with structural barriers to health, where types of long-standing discrimination and disinvestment have occurred through policies and practices applied and reinforced by people with more power. … Counties in these regions have fewer social and economic opportunities today.”

One example: States that have expanded Medicaid eligibility have seen significant reductions in premature deaths while those that have not have seen increases. At this writing, 11 states still haven’t expanded the state-implemented program even though almost the entire burden of doing so comes from the federal government. All but two of those states are controlled by the Deep South and Greater Appalachia. Just one — Wisconsin — is in Yankeedom, and its Democratic governor has been trying to expand it through a (vigorously gerrymandered) Republican legislature. Expansion was a no-brainer for Republican administrations in Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, New Hampshire and Vermont, but a bridge too far for their colleagues further south.




“You can have policies that can meaningfully change life expectancy: reduce drug overdoses, expand Medicaid, adopt gun control, protect abortion and maternal health,” says data scientist Jeremy Ney. | Tayfun Coskun/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images


Or take New Netherland, the Dutch-settled area around what’s now New York City. Despite its density, diversity and income inequalities — and contrary to the “urban hell-hole” rhetoric of the extreme right — it’s one of the healthiest places to live in the U.S., with an overall life expectancy of 80.9 years. “You can have policies that can meaningfully change life expectancy: reduce drug overdoses, expand Medicaid, adopt gun control, protect abortion and maternal health,” says data scientist Jeremy Ney, author of the American Inequality data project. “That New Netherland region ticks the box on all five of those.”





Before you ask, yes, we also compared just rural and just urban counties across the American Nations model’s regions and the gaps persisted. As expected, life expectancy is better in urban places in all the regions, but the gap between urban and rural counties almost disappeared in Yankeedom — where even the smallest municipalities often have powers comparable to those of counties in other regions — and the Far West. The latter was a bit surprising given the vast open spaces typical of that region, which fosters the social isolation that has contributed to the region’s frighteningly high suicide rates.

And, given that Black Americans have a nearly four-year disadvantage in life expectancy compared to whites, we looked at racial disparities across the regions. Echoing what we saw between rich and poor counties, there are big gaps in whites-only life expectancy across the regions, with whites in Greater Appalachia dying 3.6 years sooner than whites in Left Coast and 4.4 years sooner than those in New Netherland. In the Deep South, the region with the distinction of having had the continent’s most repressive formal slave and racial caste systems, the gap with the three aforementioned regions was almost identical — just a tenth of a year better than Greater Appalachia. Three centuries of formal white supremacy hasn’t served whites very well.

Five years ago, University of Cincinnati sociologist Jennifer Malat and two colleagues probed a related question: Given the legacy of white privilege in American society, why do white people have lower life expectancy than their counterparts in Canada and Western Europe, as well as per capita suicide and psychiatric disorder rates far higher than their Black, Asian or Latino peers? Their conclusion: “Whiteness encourages whites to reject policies designed to help the poor and reduce inequality because of animosity toward people of color as well as being unaware that the poor include a great many white people.” Other wealthy countries, they noted, produce poverty rates similar or greater than ours, but they have stronger welfare systems that buffer much of the population from the health problems that often flow from poverty. Whatever the reason, our data definitely show a relationship between social spending and health outcomes for white people across regions.





That said, African Americans actually fare a bit better, relatively speaking, in Greater Appalachia (where their life expectancy is 74.2) than in many other regions, including the Deep South (where it’s 73.6) and even the Far West (74.1) and Yankeedom (73.6). But starkest is that the Midlands — home to cities such as Baltimore, Philadelphia and St. Louis with some of the worst racial disparities in the country — becomes the least healthy region for Black people, with life expectancy falling to just 73 years, which is lower than the overall 2020 figure for Peru. By contrast, the super-densely populated New York City region (New Netherland) remains one of the best for Black longevity, at 76.9 years, 3.9 years higher. The bottom line is that Black/white health disparities are real and enormous, but they don’t really explain the big gaps between U.S. regions.




States that have expanded Medicaid eligibility (like Virginia, pictured) have seen significant reductions in premature deaths while those that have not have seen increases. | Jahi Chikwendiu/The Washington Post via Getty Images


Analyzing Hispanic life expectancy provides some fresh twists. Hispanics actually have much higher life expectancy than whites in the U.S. Researchers call this the “Hispanic Paradox” because it confounds the usual associations between socioeconomic status and life expectancy, and they’ve spent considerable time trying to understand why without reaching a solid consensus. It has been established — by demographers Alberto Palloni and Elizabeth Arias — that Cuban and Puerto Rican Americans don’t have better life expectancy than whites, but Mexican-Americans do.

I share this background because, curiously, we found that Hispanic life expectancy is relatively poor in El Norte (80.7 years) and the Far West (81.1), the two regions where people of Mexican descent presumably form a supermajority of the “Hispanic” population. New Netherland — home to the largest concentration of Puerto Ricans on Earth, including San Juan — isn’t that great either, at 82.7. Surprisingly, southern regions do really well, with Tidewater and New France hitting the upper 80s to top the list, though you might want to take the latter finding with a grain of salt as the number of Hispanics there is pretty small.

Keith Gennuso of the University of Wisconsin’s Population Health Institute says the reason Hispanic life expectancy is worse in El Norte is likely linked to centuries of discrimination. “Unjust housing policies and forced land dispossessions, immigration enforcement, racial profiling, taxation laws and historical trauma, among numerous other issues, all act as barriers to equal health opportunities for these populations at the border, with known impacts across generations,” he noted. Other researchers have found the mortality advantage is greatest among Mexicans in communities where they are more insulated from less healthy U.S. dietary and lifestyle choices than those of Mexican descent who have been in the U.S. for decades or centuries.

Regional differences persist in other measures of health outcomes that contribute to mortality. With public health researchers at the University of Illinois-Chicago and the University of Minnesota, we looked at several of them and published our conclusions in academic journals. Obesity, diabetes and physical inactivity all followed the same general regional pattern, with the bad outcomes concentrated in the Deep South, Greater Appalachia, New France and First Nation at the bottom of the list for all three (and El Norte for diabetes.)
“It’s no big surprise when you look at county-level data that the southern regions have higher prevalence of these things, but never has the relationship been so clean as with the American Nations settlement maps,” says lead author Ross Arena, a physiologist at the University of Illinois-Chicago who studies the health effects of exercise.




The most impoverished quartile of U.S. counties in Yankeedom have a higher life expectancy than the least impoverished quartile of U.S. counties in the Deep South by 0.3 years. | Amanda Andrade-Rhoades/For The Washington Post via Getty Images


“The gaps you see in life expectancy are just the tip of the iceberg because our health system is really good at keeping unhealthy people alive through medications and surgeries. The regional gap in people’s health span — how many years of your life are you living with a high quality of life with independence and functionality — is probably even greater because it lines up with smoking, access to healthy foods and these other factors.”





So how to improve the situation? Lloyd-Jones, the preventive medicine expert at Northwestern University, says it’s all about the policy environment people live in.

“If you just want to move the needle on longevity in the short term, aggressive tobacco control and taxation policies are about the quickest way you can do that,” he says. “But for the long term we really have to launch our children into healthier trajectories by giving them great educational and socioeconomic opportunities and access to clean air and water and healthy foods.”


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