(03-18-2020, 05:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: All nail salons, hair salons, barber shops, and most BMVs shut down. People who go to work are required to take their temperature every morning. Probably going to violate that last one. Crap I hope they don't read that.

They did.

(03-18-2020, 02:52 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That would be unusual.

That sounds like an exacerbation of the initial infection or a secondary infection as a result of the initial infection like a pneumonia as a result of the flu or a sinusitis as a result of a cold.

Which is why it's peaking my curiosity. But I haven't read anything concrete on it, so all I've got is nurse rumors. If true, that's concerning. If not (which is more likely) then, well, it's more manageable. 

(03-18-2020, 07:58 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: They did.

Last week for my birthday my wife and I went and bought me a nice chef’s knife. Not online. I’ve never had a decent one and that’s what I wanted. The next day ads for chefs knives showed up in Facebook.

couple of assholes who benefit from free socialized medicare have tested positive for coronavirus.  good news is, you and I have already pre-paid, for them to get tested and receive treatment going forward. 

Hope all you other schmucks are staying safe with america so great and everything (again).

2 members of Congress, Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart and Ben McAdams, test positive for COVID-19

(03-18-2020, 10:21 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: couple of assholes who benefit from free socialized medicare have tested positive for coronavirus.  good news is, you and I have already pre-paid, for them to get tested and receive treatment going forward. 

Hope all you other schmucks are staying safe with america so great and everything (again).

2 members of Congress, Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart and Ben McAdams, test positive for COVID-19

I don’t believe either of them have socialized Medicare. They do benefit from ridiculously good employer provided insurance.

(03-18-2020, 10:21 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: couple of assholes who benefit from free socialized medicare have tested positive for coronavirus.  good news is, you and I have already pre-paid, for them to get tested and receive treatment going forward. 

Hope all you other schmucks are staying safe with america so great and everything (again).

2 members of Congress, Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart and Ben McAdams, test positive for COVID-19

Again, how the hell are politicians and NBA players getting tested when people in ERs can’t get tested?

Drives me crazy.

(03-18-2020, 10:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don’t believe either of them have socialized Medicare. They do benefit from ridiculously good employer provided insurance.

I thought you were smarter than this statement. Good to know.

(03-18-2020, 11:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Again, how the hell are politicians and NBA players getting tested when people in ERs can’t get tested?

Drives me crazy.

Dude. We’re doing the bestest response to China virus. It out nowhere. Me good. Them poo. Waaaaa. Cruiseship need help. Hotel more.

(03-17-2020, 08:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: I thought I saw yesterday that the draft is going on without an audience.

Sorry I assumed this years draft was still happening. What I mean is we draft 2020, but then don't play any of the 2020 season. Do we get the #1 pick again in 2021? I'd assume there'd just be some sort of randomization who knows.

(03-17-2020, 09:26 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Covid 19 is a virus.  No bacteria involved.

Well dang it where's the AntiViral soap?

(03-18-2020, 10:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don’t believe either of them have socialized Medicare. They do benefit from ridiculously good employer provided insurance.

Who is their employer?

Their insurance is 100% paid for by the government with taxpayer money.

Where is the "capitalism" in that?  

(03-19-2020, 02:27 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Who is their employer?

Their insurance is 100% paid for by the government with taxpayer money.

Where is the "capitalism" in that?  

Health insurance paid by their employer who happens to be the government, and unless they changed it, they pay a part of it. It’s part of their compensation. And I doubt their health insurance had anything to to with their priority treatment. It was an unnecessary disingenuous addition to the post.

(03-19-2020, 12:55 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Well dang it where's the AntiViral soap?

60% alcohol. I think hand sanitizers qualify. But you still want to wash with soap and water.

(03-19-2020, 12:09 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I thought you were smarter than this statement. Good to know.

I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean so I’m not even that smart.

(03-18-2020, 11:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Again, how the hell are politicians and NBA players getting tested when people in ERs can’t get tested?

Drives me crazy.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-asked-why-well-connected-celebrities-are-getting-coronavirus-tests-quickly-perhaps-thats-been-the-story-of-life/

(03-18-2020, 11:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Again, how the hell are politicians and NBA players getting tested when people in ERs can’t get tested?

Drives me crazy.

Because they think they are more important is why they do it.  Where the authority to jump the line comes from, I have no idea.

I keep seeing outrage over "tests" but the reality is the tests mean nothing. The test only tells you at that second if you have the virus, the second you walk out of the place you were tested you could potentially be infected and therefor a carrier who will infect others. If you are in the hospital already a positive test will not change the way you are treated, if you aren't in the hospital because the symptoms weren't bad enough to send you there in the first place the test won't change that.

So if tests mean little in terms of preventing the spread, and they mean little in the treatment, why are we so obsessed with them? The answer is simple, people are scared and it seems like something that can be "done". The reality is the virus is going to run it's course until we come up with some sort of medical intervention. Now when we actually have some sort of intervention then testing will be more important, however right now the panic and anger over testing seems more like fake outrage rather than a truly logical one.

(03-19-2020, 09:22 AM)Au165 Wrote: I keep seeing outrage over "tests" but the reality is the tests mean nothing. The test only tells you at that second if you have the virus, the second you walk out of the place you were tested you could potentially be infected and therefor a carrier who will infect others. If you are in the hospital already a positive test will not change the way you are treated, if you aren't in the hospital because the symptoms weren't bad enough to send you there in the first place the test won't change that.

So if tests mean little in terms of preventing the spread, and they mean little in the treatment, why are we so obsessed with them? The answer is simple, people are scared and it seems like something that can be "done". The reality is the virus is going to run it's course until we come up with some sort of medical intervention. Now when we actually have some sort of intervention then testing will be more important, however right now the panic and anger over testing seems more like fake outrage rather than a truly logical one.

I think testing can be valuable in that you can alert others you have been in contact with who may now have it but still be asymptomatic.

What the hell is the word for getting a disease from someone else. Contrived is in my head and I can’t move it out to get to the real word. It’s driving me nuts.

Edit: contracted. Whew.

(03-19-2020, 09:32 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I think testing can be valuable in that you can alert others you have been in contact with who may now have it but still be asymptomatic.

What the hell is the word for getting a disease from someone else. Contrived is in my head and I can’t move it out to get to the real word. It’s driving me nuts.

Edit: contracted. Whew.

Contact others and tell them what? If you get it you get it, there is nothing you can do to make it better and only those suffering severe symptoms should go to the hospital as to not overcrowd them. Being tested and it being negative also creates a false sense of security. As I mentioned, it only tested one point in time and since then you easily could be infected. That false sense of security could lead to riskier behavior like visiting elderly family members.

People should be doing the exact same things right now if they have it or if they don't. In reality everyone should just assume they have it because the numbers of actual infected is probably in the millions at this point.

(03-19-2020, 09:57 AM)Au165 Wrote: Contact others and tell them what? If you get it you get it, there is nothing you can do to make it better and only those suffering severe symptoms should go to the hospital as to not overcrowd them. Being tested and it being negative also creates a false sense of security. As I mentioned, it only tested one point in time and since then you easily could be infected. That false sense of security could lead to riskier behavior like visiting elderly family members.

People should be doing the exact same things right now if they have it or if they don't. In reality everyone should just assume they have it because the numbers of actual infected is probably in the millions at this point.

Then they immediately quarantine themselves.  We can't afford for everyone in the country to sit at home for a couple months.  

(03-19-2020, 09:22 AM)Au165 Wrote: I keep seeing outrage over "tests" but the reality is the tests mean nothing. The test only tells you at that second if you have the virus, the second you walk out of the place you were tested you could potentially be infected and therefor a carrier who will infect others. If you are in the hospital already a positive test will not change the way you are treated, if you aren't in the hospital because the symptoms weren't bad enough to send you there in the first place the test won't change that.

So if tests mean little in terms of preventing the spread, and they mean little in the treatment, why are we so obsessed with them? The answer is simple, people are scared and it seems like something that can be "done". The reality is the virus is going to run it's course until we come up with some sort of medical intervention. Now when we actually have some sort of intervention then testing will be more important, however right now the panic and anger over testing seems more like fake outrage rather than a truly logical one.

I’ve covered most of this already four pages ago. For the most part you’re correct. But, the CDC and the DPH have established a testing protocol which local hospitals use to establish their testing protocols because there is a shortage. So we are in essence rationing the tests to determine who gets a test and who doesn’t. We give that information out to the public so they know who gets tested and who doesn’t. And testing does influence patient behavior. Many times without a positive test result for something patients don’t believe you. Or in the absence of testing the believe they have something they don’t and no amount of patient education will change their mind.

Then on the other hand Mike Pence is announcing if you don’t have symptoms you don’t need testing while Trump and entire NBA teams get tested when the obviously don’t meet the testing protocol.

This mixed messaging undercuts all the information we as providers give to patients about the testing protocol. There is already enough confusion and they just keep adding to it. Me personally, I can’t stand double standards. Especially when it comes to medical care.

When the White House doesn’t follow their own guidance to the public making it more difficult for me to educate the public it pisses me off. I can assure you there isn’t anything fake about it.