(03-24-2020, 03:44 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yes they get anti-biotics.  They don't get dog shampoo.
Sorry that's on them.  If someone says take zinc and I down a bottle of sunscreen who are we blaming?

You blame the dummy who listens to whatever they are told.

But I still think it is irresponsible for the POTUS to be tweeting and telling the nation on live television that "many people" are saying it is a cure when that isn't proven yet.

That doesn't even take into account that so many people think the man never lies.

(03-24-2020, 03:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Definitely...but I have a follow up question:

I wonder why this couple went looking for that particular "medicine"?  Did they think it up on their own?  Or were they told by someone they believe 100% without doing any kind of checking that it was a possible "cure"?

It is irresponsible for Trump to say a lot of the things he says.  He is dumb.  Too dumb to understand what he is being told or not to repeat it as HE "understands" it.

If they took what he said and died then you could look at Trump.  

(03-24-2020, 03:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: You blame the dummy who listens to whatever they are told.

But I still think it is irresponsible for the POTUS to be tweeting and telling the nation on live television that "many people" are saying it is a cure when that isn't proven yet.

That doesn't even take into account that so many people think the man never lies.

But they didn't take what they were told.  He was the dummy who didn't take what he was told.   

Edit: And they took it as a preventative.

And more will follow.

Good lord, Sean Hannity just reads off a letter he says he got from a doctor with a drug "regimen" that the doctor says has kept people from getting infected pic.twitter.com/9MzwmUHKlB

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) March 24, 2020

(03-24-2020, 03:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: But they didn't take what they were told.  He was the dummy who didn't take what he was told.   

Again, would they have looked for it if Dear Leader had not told them to?

Just like he's on television today telling everyone it will be fine to go back to work because you have a better chance of dying from the flu or in a car accident.

And his minions will follow like good little sheep.

And when/if they get sick and die his defenders will say "well just because he told them it was ok...that's up to them" ignoring the level of loyalty this fools give to Trump.

He has the responsibility of putting out good or no information. Not whatever he "thinks" in that very stable genius brain of his.

(03-24-2020, 03:44 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yes they get anti-biotics.  They don't get dog shampoo.
Sorry that's on them.  If someone says take zinc and I down a bottle of sunscreen who are we blaming?

Trump is more than just "someone" to these people.  I'm just hoping he can make it out of office without Jim Jones-ing a significant portion of the population.

(03-24-2020, 03:55 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump is more than just "someone" to these people.  I'm just hoping he can make it out of office without Jim Jones-ing a significant portion of the population.

When people are afraid, with or without justification, they can do reckless/stupid things.

When they trust someone implicitly to tell them the "truth" they will believe everything he says about a way to ease their fears.

Jim Jones is a good, if hyperbolic in this case, example.  He instilled his followers with the fear that "they" were coming and the only way out was death.

Trump tried to tell everyone this was nothing and would be over in a few days...then he had to admit it was bad...then he started worrying about re-election and started with his "cure" talk.  Scared people listened and did something stupid.

He's not to "blame" for their doing that and one person dying.  He's to blame for being an idiot who says things that can get people killed.

(03-24-2020, 04:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: When people are afraid, with or without justification, they can do reckless/stupid things.

When they trust someone implicitly to tell them the "truth" they will believe everything he says about a way to ease their fears.

Jim Jones is a good, if hyperbolic in this case, example.  He instilled his followers with the fear that "they" were coming and the only way out was death.

Trump tried to tell everyone this was nothing and would be over in a few days...then he had to admit it was bad...then he started worrying about re-election and started with his "cure" talk.  Scared people listened and did something stupid.

He's not to "blame" for their doing that and one person dying.  He's to blame for being an idiot who says things that can get people killed.

Jim Jones is an extreme example, but you have to admit he and Trump are both really good at targeting struggling people and convincing them he is the answer and anyone who tells them otherwise is a jealous liar.

I'd say the biggest knock against Trump in this situation is that only two people did this...his influence on people must be slipping because I'm sure Obama could get more of his followers to do dangerous things.  

(03-24-2020, 03:55 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump is more than just "someone" to these people.  I'm just hoping he can make it out of office without Jim Jones-ing a significant portion of the population.

And I would agree if they had taken what he said could help.  Now if the stuff he said you could take is dangerous, then that's a different discussion.  

So if it's proven to help and he says so, and then someone takes poison, where are we at as far as responsibility?

(03-24-2020, 04:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: And I would agree if they had taken what he said could help.  Now if the stuff he said you could take is dangerous, then that's a different discussion.  

So if it's proven to help and he says so, and then someone takes poison, where are we at as far as responsibility?

Ehh, people believed Trump's statements about coronavirus over the statements of medical professionals, so maybe he convinced them to disregard the narrative that drinking crap that cleans aquariums is bad, too.

Plus, technically the guy that died is 100% not going to test positive for coronavirus now so who is really wrong here?

(03-24-2020, 04:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ehh, people believed Trump's statements about coronavirus over the statements of medical professionals, so maybe he convinced them to disregard the narrative that drinking crap that cleans aquariums is bad, too.

Plus, technically the guy that died is 100% not going to test positive for coronavirus now so who is really wrong here?

That's true.  Works every time.

And the husband died and the wife lived?  Am I the only one who watches ID TV?

(03-24-2020, 04:23 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That's true.  Works every time.

And the husband died and the wife lived?  Am I the only one who watches ID TV?

She's in critical condition and will probably have to turn to gofundme to pay her medical bills, so she may have gone a bit overboard in throwing the police off her scent if she wanted her husband out of the picture.

Also, how much would it cost to take out a life insurance premium on a man who is in his 60's and is easily convinced to drink poison?

(03-24-2020, 03:44 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yes they get anti-biotics. They don't get dog shampoo.
Sorry that's on them.  If someone says take zinc and I down a bottle of sunscreen who are we blaming?

What they took was an anti-parasitic medication for animals, specifically fish. Not a cleaning product for fish tanks. Not unlike an anti-parasitic agent for horses sold a Tractor Supply poor people use to treat themselves for pin worms without needing to pay a doctor.

https://globalnews.ca/video/6703823/coronavirus-outbreak-trump-says-chloroquine-could-be-a-game-changer

Not only does Trump tout chloroquine as a coronavirus treatment but he also calls it a game changer in the fight against the coronavirus and implies the FDA has approved it for use against the coronavirus and the federal government had made a significant purchase of the drug to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

Sure it has a foolish thing to do, but they got their misinformation from a source they trusted, our president, and it cost one of them their life needlessly.

(03-24-2020, 04:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What they took was an anti-parasitic medication for animals, specifically fish. Not a cleaning product for fish tanks. Not unlike an anti-parasitic agent for horses sold a Tractor Supply poor people use to treat themselves for pin worms without needing to pay a doctor.

https://globalnews.ca/video/6703823/coronavirus-outbreak-trump-says-chloroquine-could-be-a-game-changer

Not only does Trump tout chloroquine as a coronavirus treatment but he also calls it a game changer in the fight against the coronavirus and implies the FDA has approved it for use against the coronavirus and the federal government had made a significant purchase of the drug to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

Sure it has a foolish thing to do, but they got their misinformation from a source they trusted, our president, and it cost one of them their life needlessly.

They took a fish tank (or pond) cleaner.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/

(03-24-2020, 04:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: She's in critical condition and will probably have to turn to gofundme to pay her medical bills, so she may have gone a bit overboard in throwing the police off her scent if she wanted her husband out of the picture.

Also, how much would it cost to take out a life insurance premium on a man who is in his 60's and is easily convinced to drink poison?

You think that's on the form you fill out?

(03-24-2020, 03:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: But they didn't take what they were told.  He was the dummy who didn't take what he was told.   

Edit: And they took it as a preventative.

A preventative like that BS placebo Airborne which is a total waste of money yet people still take it as a preventative against the rhinovirus even though they have settled lawsuits out of court and changed their false claims on the packaging after FTC intervention?

Yeah, no one would ever be that silly.

(03-24-2020, 04:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: They took a fish tank (or pond) cleaner.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/

Second paragraph . . . “ The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites.”

Added: google “ chloroquine phosphate” and tell me what’s the first result that pops up.

(03-24-2020, 04:50 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: A preventative like that BS placebo Airborne which is a total waste of money yet people still take it as a preventative against the rhinovirus even though they have settled lawsuits out of court and changed their false claims on the packaging after FTC intervention?

Yeah, no one would ever be that silly.

I'm showing that they didn't listen to Trump without question, they did basically nothing Trump said to do.  

(03-24-2020, 04:54 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Second paragraph . . . “ The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites.”

Yeah by pouring it in the fish tank.  This isn't like something people take from horse farms to treat pin worms.  

(03-24-2020, 04:07 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Jim Jones is an extreme example, but you have to admit he and Trump are both really good at targeting struggling people and convincing them he is the answer and anyone who tells them otherwise is a jealous liar.

I'd say the biggest knock against Trump in this situation is that only two people did this...his influence on people must be slipping because I'm sure Obama could get more of his followers to do dangerous things.  

All really good cult leaders are.

That's the beauty of a cult: Tell them what they want to hear and tell them you can make their lives better.  The hard part is raking money from them.  L. Ron figured that part out pretty well.  So did a bunch of "christian" preachers.