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Drug running tunnels - SunsetBengal - 10-25-2015 The one described in this article is said to run 32 feet below the surface. What if the US dug a 100' deep crevice between the two countries. Think that might slow them down a bit?? http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/drug-tunnels-along-the-us-mexico-border-high-costs-high-rewards/ar-BBmqgrX Quote:More than 80 tunnels have been discovered between Mexico and the United States since 2006, most recently this past Thursday after a six-month investigation by the U.S. government resulted in a large smuggling tunnel being uncovered, as well as 22 arrests and the recovery of 12 tons of marijuana. RE: Drug running tunnels - StLucieBengal - 10-25-2015 Yet another reason why we shouldn't have given Mexico back half its country when we conquered them. RE: Drug running tunnels - JustWinBaby - 10-25-2015 Surely at least one of the Repub candidates is dumb enough to counter Trump's wall by proposing a big ditch filled with crocodiles and bears. RE: Drug running tunnels - Rotobeast - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 06:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The one described in this article is said to run 32 feet below the surface. What if the US dug a 100' deep crevice between the two countries. Think that might slow them down a bit?? We build a MOAT ! The deepest most awesome moat that has ever existed ! RE: Drug running tunnels - SunsetBengal - 10-25-2015 So, all of you that are commenting in jest, must be completely comfortable with the Mexican's exploiting our people's drug problems and sending all of our money back to Mexico? RE: Drug running tunnels - BmorePat87 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 06:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The one described in this article is said to run 32 feet below the surface. What if the US dug a 100' deep crevice between the two countries. Think that might slow them down a bit?? So instead of a wall, we build a dry moat? Or do we still build the ramparts and bastions? (10-25-2015, 06:29 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yet another reason why we shouldn't have given Mexico back half its country when we conquered them. What are the other reasons? I am interested in reading your defense of American imperialism, especially considering your well known criticism of Teddy's imperialism. RE: Drug running tunnels - BmorePat87 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 06:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, all of you that are commenting in jest, must be completely comfortable with the Mexican's exploiting our people's drug problems and sending all of our money back to Mexico? Hyperboles in response to jest isn't going to stop the jest. RE: Drug running tunnels - Rotobeast - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 06:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, all of you that are commenting in jest, must be completely comfortable with the Mexican's exploiting our people's drug problems and sending all of our money back to Mexico? I'm actually serious.......really. It would probably have to be dry like Pat suggested and used in conjunction with fencing. Perhaps.... 12' chain link fence with razor wire, 50' dry moat, then steel wall. The moat would stop cars coming to ram the fence. I'm not sure it would really stop the tunnels, as they'd just go deeper. But.... I really want a moat. RE: Drug running tunnels - StLucieBengal - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 07:09 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So instead of a wall, we build a dry moat? Or do we still build the ramparts and bastions? I don't agree with giving up land once it's conquered. To the victor goes the spoils. The exact same reason I give when anyone brings up the Indians. RE: Drug running tunnels - Benton - 10-25-2015 Couple things come to mind. If we dig a 100 foot deep trench, what's to stop the tunnelers from digging a 120 foot deep tunnel? Or what's to stop them from putting a make shift bridge across the expanse? I'll stick with the answer that if we stop allowing employers to hire illegals, the number of those illegally crossing the border will decline. And if we cease the ignorant "war on drugs" talking point from the 80s and actually address drug addiction and reform, then we won't have the demand there currently is for illegal drugs. RE: Drug running tunnels - GMDino - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 08:29 PM)Benton Wrote: Couple things come to mind. If we dig a 100 foot deep trench, what's to stop the tunnelers from digging a 120 foot deep tunnel? RE: Drug running tunnels - Johnny Cupcakes - 10-25-2015 OK....let's stop making fun of the giant ditch suggestion that Sunset laid out. Let's see what it would take instead. Needed information: This ditch would be 100' deep according to the OP. Since the width is not listed, we'll go with the width of a wide sidewalk....3'. The U.S./Mexico border is 1989 miles long. There are 5280 feet in a mile, so this would be 10,501,920 feet long. According to the RS Means guide for construction estimating, it costs $10.41 per linear foot to excavate 4 inches deep. Multiply this by 300 to get the 100 feet = $3123/ft. 10,501,920 x 3123 = $32,797,496,160.00* *soil disposal not included. costs include labor, material, and equipment rental**. **Equipment is for digging 4". I imagine equipment rental for 100' may be a bit more. ***price includes excavation of soil only. Rivers, mountains, etc. will add additional cost. Your tax dollars hard at work. RE: Drug running tunnels - BmorePat87 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 08:29 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I don't agree with giving up land once it's conquered. To the victor goes the spoils. The exact same reason I give when anyone brings up the Indians. Wait, so you're cool with big imperialistic governments? RE: Drug running tunnels - CKwi88 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 08:29 PM)Benton Wrote: Couple things come to mind. If we dig a 100 foot deep trench, what's to stop the tunnelers from digging a 120 foot deep tunnel? GTFOH with rational thought. RE: Drug running tunnels - Rotobeast - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 08:53 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: OK....let's stop making fun of the giant ditch suggestion that Sunset laid out. Let's see what it would take instead. Small nuclear weapons would do the job quicker/cheaper and add the benefit of a radioactive wasteland that should prove impassable ! RE: Drug running tunnels - mallorian69 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 08:53 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: OK....let's stop making fun of the giant ditch suggestion that Sunset laid out. Let's see what it would take instead.Your estimate is for if a private firm were to do all of the work. There are ways to reduce the cost. The government already owns all of the equipment needed to dig the ditch so no equipment rental needed. Army combat engineers and navy seabees have experience digging ditches as part of defensive fortifications so they could be used to supply some of the man power further reducing costs. Prisoners could also be used for labor. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could think of more if I actually cared to. RE: Drug running tunnels - Rotobeast - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 10:13 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: Your estimate is for if a private firm were to do all of the work. There are ways to reduce the cost. The government already owns all of the equipment needed to dig the ditch so no equipment rental needed. Army combat engineers and navy seabees have experience digging ditches as part of defensive fortifications so they could be used to supply some of the man power further reducing costs. Prisoners could also be used for labor. Or we could offer citizenship to every Mexican that puts in a certain level of work into helping build said ditch. RE: Drug running tunnels - fredtoast - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 10:13 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: Your estimate is for if a private firm were to do all of the work. There are ways to reduce the cost. The government already owns all of the equipment needed to dig the ditch so no equipment rental needed. Army combat engineers and navy seabees have experience digging ditches as part of defensive fortifications so they could be used to supply some of the man power further reducing costs. Prisoners could also be used for labor. The cost of a ditch that deep would be staggering. The structure would require tons of re-enforcement and bracing every linear yard just to keep it from collapsing under the weight of the earth pushing in against it. It could not be built by prisoners with picks and shovels. It would require complex drilling and excavating equipment. 1500 miles would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. And, it would absolutely fill with water. So it would be a moat. RE: Drug running tunnels - bfine32 - 10-25-2015 It is kind of a double edged sword. If we make it harder for the drug traffickers to move back and forth between the countries; guess what they will do. RE: Drug running tunnels - bfine32 - 10-25-2015 (10-25-2015, 10:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And, it would absolutely fill with water. So it would be a moat. I take it you don't get down to that part of the country much. |