(10-27-2022, 01:06 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I saw in the one thread that Joey B is like 3rd in PROJECTED yards behind Mahommes and Allen and I was just curious about where he CURRENTLY stacks up amongst QBs. If you were wondering, here you go:

Completion percentage:
73.5 - Geno Smith
71.1 - Matthew Stafford
68.9 - Joe Burrow
68.5 - Kenny Picket (in only 4 games)
68.4 - Matt Ryan

Passing Yards:
2159 - Patrick Mahommes
2097 - Joe Burrow
2009 - Justin Herbert
2008 - Matt Ryan
1980 - Josh Allen (in only 6 games)

Passing Touchdowns:
20 - Patrick Mahommes
17 - Josh Allen (again, only 6 games)
15 - Joe Burrow
13 - Lamar Jackson
12 - Justin Herbert

QB Rating:
109.5 - Patrick Mahommes
109.1 - Josh Allen (6 games)
107.7 - Geno Smith
105.9 - Tua Tagovailoa
102.7 - Joe Burrow

There's no doubt Mahommes and Josh Allen are the 2 best QBs in the league, but honestly, (and maybe this is my homerism talking) I would put Burrow right there with them. I think you can't talk about the best QBs in the league without Burrow. And sure, rank him 3 between the 3 of them, if you want, but in my opinion, there's the elite tier of Mahommes, Allen and Burrow (throw in Rodgers and Brady if you want because they may not be playing like it this year, but they were CLEARLY elite at one point) and then there's everybody else.

Just my 2 cents. What say you?

(10-27-2022, 01:06 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I saw in the one thread that Joey B is like 3rd in PROJECTED yards behind Mahommes and Allen and I was just curious about where he CURRENTLY stacks up amongst QBs. If you were wondering, here you go:

Completion percentage:
73.5 - Geno Smith
71.1 - Matthew Stafford
68.9 - Joe Burrow
68.5 - Kenny Picket (in only 4 games)
68.4 - Matt Ryan

Passing Yards:
2159 - Patrick Mahommes
2097 - Joe Burrow
2009 - Justin Herbert
2008 - Matt Ryan
1980 - Josh Allen (in only 6 games)

Passing Touchdowns:
20 - Patrick Mahommes
17 - Josh Allen (again, only 6 games)
15 - Joe Burrow
13 - Lamar Jackson
12 - Justin Herbert

QB Rating:
109.5 - Patrick Mahommes
109.1 - Josh Allen (6 games)
107.7 - Geno Smith
105.9 - Tua Tagovailoa
102.7 - Joe Burrow

There's no doubt Mahommes and Josh Allen are the 2 best QBs in the league, but honestly, (and maybe this is my homerism talking) I would put Burrow right there with them. I think you can't talk about the best QBs in the league without Burrow. And sure, rank him 3 between the 3 of them, if you want, but in my opinion, there's the elite tier of Mahommes, Allen and Burrow (throw in Rodgers and Brady if you want because they may not be playing like it this year, but they were CLEARLY elite at one point) and then there's everybody else.

Just my 2 cents. What say you?

(10-27-2022, 01:14 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Burrow is 100% in that conversation. Week one is looking more and more like an outlier. By EPA per attempt, Burrow has been the 4th best QB since week two. Since week three, he has been the 2nd best. Here it is, plotted below.

(10-30-2022, 10:26 AM)SHRacerX Wrote:  

Lastly, remember how many people called Trevor Lawrence the better prospect of the two (with Burrow)?  Yeah, so do I.  I called BS then and it is nice to be proven so right.  

(10-30-2022, 11:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I had people (non-Bengal fans) try and tell me we missed out on the “real prize” by one year. And that Lawrence would totally destroy the league right away.

It’s almost like it takes more than just a big arm to be a good NFL QB…

Now - could he still have a Josh Allen like breakout in year 3 or beyond? Sure, but he’s got a long way to go to catch up with Burrow.

(10-30-2022, 11:45 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I seem to remember an inordinant amount of people on here who thought the Bengals should pass on Burrow and try for Lawrence...or simply stated that Lawrence would be better. 

(10-30-2022, 12:07 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It is interesting to peruse old threads from time to time to see how things have evolved vs. public opinion.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Hypothetical-2021-1-pick?page=4

(10-30-2022, 12:17 PM)Synric Wrote: Noooo. I ddon't like reading my old posts. Some of them are from less than sober me.

(10-30-2022, 12:07 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It is interesting to peruse old threads from time to time to see how things have evolved vs. public opinion.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Hypothetical-2021-1-pick?page=4

(10-30-2022, 12:17 PM)Synric Wrote: Noooo. I ddon't like reading my old posts. Some of them are from less than sober me.

(10-30-2022, 12:44 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: We all have ‘em. I’ve read some things I posted on the past and just thought “oh god, I thought that?”

(10-30-2022, 11:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I had people (non-Bengal fans) try and tell me we missed out on the “real prize” by one year. And that Lawrence would totally destroy the league right away.

It’s almost like it takes more than just a big arm to be a good NFL QB…

Now - could he still have a Josh Allen like breakout in year 3 or beyond? Sure, but he’s got a long way to go to catch up with Burrow.

(10-31-2022, 09:38 AM)PhilHos Wrote: To be fair, he did not have good coaches last year. Doug Pederson may get the best out of Lawrence eventually, but how much "correction" of TL he still has ahead of him due to Meyer's poor coaching, I don't know. 

(10-31-2022, 11:09 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Josh Allen is over-rated and I will die on this hill.

He is a really good QB - I just don't think he's the best QB in the league that so many have crowned him to be. He has a big arm and is athletic, but as a QB - I think he is over-rated.

(10-31-2022, 11:26 AM)PhilHos Wrote: This is how I feel about Lamar Jackson.

Dude is a GREAT running threat and has a strong arm, but doesn't seem to be able to read defenses at an elite level. At some point, whether due to injury or age, he's not going to be able to rely on his athleticism and at that point, we'll see just how good a QB he truly is. I mean, we kinda already know, because when the running game of the Ravens and Lamar is limited, Jackson clearly struggles.