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Remember that Christian bakery? - PhilHos - 07-08-2015 The one that got in trouble for not making a cake for homosexual weddings? http://www.christianpost.com/news/13-gay-bakeries-refuse-to-make-traditional-marriage-cake-with-the-message-gay-marriage-is-wrong-131479/ Quote:Despite anti-discrimination laws in many states that require Christian bakery owners to bake cakes for same-sex weddings, 13 LGBT and gay-owned bakeries objected to one man's request when he asked if they'd make a pro-traditional marriage cake that would read "gay marriage is wrong." All refused to back the cake and one person even cursed at the Christian man for "hate speech" and said a cake supporting traditional marriage "went against their beliefs." Before you get your panties in a wad, I understand there is a difference between getting a cake that says "Adam & Steve Lastname 2015" and "Gay marriage is wrong". However, the arguments many made against the Christian bakery should be made against most of these bakeries as well. Thoughts? RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - GMDino - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 12:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The one that got in trouble for not making a cake for homosexual weddings? I think you explained pretty well. Back on the old board everyone went round and round on what should or shouldn't be done on a cake. I don't think a Christian bakery would or should write "Jesus is a *****" on a cake either. But, as you said, writing congratulations to so and so is completely different. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - Benton - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 12:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The one that got in trouble for not making a cake for homosexual weddings? What, the arguements that there is a difference between getting a cake that says "Adam & Steve Lastname 2015" and "Gay marriage is wrong"? RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - BmorePat87 - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 01:43 PM)Benton Wrote: What, the arguements that there is a difference between getting a cake that says "Adam & Steve Lastname 2015" and "Gay marriage is wrong"? Yea, really wasn't sure where PhilHos was going with this. He already explained how they're different. One you can label hate speech while the other you can't. That's why no one would bat an eye if a Jewish bakery refused to write "the Nazis were right" or a bakery refused to write "Interracial Marriage is Wrong". RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - Benton - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 02:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, really wasn't sure where PhilHos was going with this. He already explained how they're different. One you can label hate speech while the other you can't. There was the other thread too where a lot of it spilled over from, if I'm remembering right. The guy who got bent out of shape because he wanted a cake that said something derogatory about homosexuals or women or something, and some of the posters thought it went against his 1st Amendment freedom of speech to not force them to make "the hate cake," but wanted the bakers to avoid "the gay cake" because of their 1st Amendment freedom of religion. Honestly, I don't see the point in bringing up the thread and the butthurted, knluckleheadedness that ensued. But, whatever. Have your cake and grouse about it, too. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - XenoMorph - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 12:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The one that got in trouble for not making a cake for homosexual weddings? Kinda like going to a christain bakery and asking for a Cake that says Hail satan Its a lot different to refuse to serve someone just because they are gay or straight. I dont remember the gay couple asking for a cake that said Christianity is Wrong RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - Mike M (the other one) - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 12:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The one that got in trouble for not making a cake for homosexual weddings? Instead of saying "Gay Marriage is wrong", they should ask to have it say: "I support Traditional Marriage". That would be hard to prove as "hate speech", but I guess according to the news, it would be considered hate. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - Benton - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 04:04 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Instead of saying "Gay Marriage is wrong", they should ask to have it say: "I support Traditional Marriage". That's a very good point and one I think many would compromise over. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - bfine32 - 07-08-2015 Maybe he wasn't "mentally raped" like his "victims' were. But to the OP. My opinion is that the decorations on the cake are an expression of the Baker. It the Baker does not want to associate his name/business with the message then he or she should not be required to do so. This does not mean the Baker is free not to serve you; however, he/she should not be forced to put any message on the product that makes them feel that they are violating their values, beliefs, morals. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - BmorePat87 - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 02:52 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Kinda like going to a christain bakery and asking for a Cake that says I don't think you'd get away with refusing "Hail Satan" since it's not hate speech. "Christians are wrong", yea. (07-08-2015, 04:04 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Instead of saying "Gay Marriage is wrong", they should ask to have it say: "I support Traditional Marriage". Yea, that shouldn't be refused. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - fredtoast - 07-09-2015 This same group called a lot of people who claimed Adrian Peterson was wrong and asked them if it was okay for a father to discipline his child. Anyone who answered "Yes" was labeled as a hypocrite RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - fredtoast - 07-09-2015 In all seriousness we have not seen the end of issues like this. Too many people just don't get it. If a gay baker refused to make a cake for a man/woman wedding then he would also get in trouble. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - 6andcounting - 07-09-2015 The government got itself involved in the business of forcing people to bake cakes with their own resources and also forcing them to use a sugary, sticky cream goop in an aesthetically pleasing decorative manner to cover the bread in a way that doesn't conflict with the social lifestyle and physical attraction preferences of whoever decides they want a cake. I feel so protected. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - Rotobeast - 07-09-2015 I'm curious about something....... I am in no way shape or form comparing one group to another with this question. I merely want to understand the scope of the law. Let's say a local Starbucks is frequented by a known convicted pedophile. Let's say this person stays throughout the busiest part of the day, causing a lot of customers to choose other shops. As long as the patron continues to enjoy their purchase, can the establishment ask them to leave ? From my understanding, they cannot. Granted, the felon had paid their time, but can an establishment be forced to accept a multitude of losses over the rights of one person ? RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - BmorePat87 - 07-09-2015 (07-09-2015, 08:35 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm curious about something....... I'm not sure if criminal history is a protected class. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - bfine32 - 07-09-2015 (07-09-2015, 09:27 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm not sure if criminal history is a protected class. I'm not sure if Sexual Orientation is either. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - BmorePat87 - 07-09-2015 (07-09-2015, 09:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not sure if Sexual Orientation is either. Not at the federal level, no. In Colorado it is, though, hence the outcome of that case. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - fredtoast - 07-09-2015 (07-09-2015, 09:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not sure if Sexual Orientation is either. Wait, are we talking about the "Christian" baker or the "straight" baker? I could have sworn it was the "Christian" baker who refused to make a cake for these people who did not think gay marriage was a sin. RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - bfine32 - 07-10-2015 (07-09-2015, 10:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Wait, are we talking about the "Christian" baker or the "straight" baker? Well I was countering Pat's reasoning for not answering Roto's hypothetical. Not sure of the relevance of this question/comment. The OP is actually about a Gay Baker refusing to make a cake for a "Christian". RE: Remember that Christian bakery? - fredtoast - 07-10-2015 (07-10-2015, 12:11 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well I was countering Pat's reasoning for not answering Roto's hypothetical. Pat gave Roto a direct answer to his question. Criminal history is not a protected class. Neither the question nor the answer made any mention of sexual orientation. |