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RE: Paris under attack - Mike M (the other one) - 11-18-2015 (11-17-2015, 11:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure what country are you going to set me up in? Be sure to complain if the conditions aren't satisfactory. Who cares about food and water, you need to be able to post on this message board daily. RE: Paris under attack - StLucieBengal - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 01:44 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Be sure to complain if the conditions aren't satisfactory. Who cares about food and water, you need to be able to post on this message board daily. Yea VD.... No dial up Internet. I want great internet and lots of cash . Just like the invading force is demanding from the Germans. RE: Paris under attack - Bengalzona - 11-18-2015 (11-17-2015, 06:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Taking them in a mistake. Especially when Saudi Arabia takes 0. An interesting article on Saudi Arabia and ISIL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 RE: Paris under attack - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-18-2015 (11-16-2015, 04:33 PM)Benton Wrote: Agreed on all points. This right here......in this country, we say the Christians need to "get over it" when it comes to hot button topics involving their clashes with belief structure and civil liberties (as should be the case)....but we need to "understand" the culture of the many divisions of Islam, while they kill each other and other Christians over it. Seems like a double standard to me.....looks to me like they need to get over it, and sit down and talk and put an end to this centuries old pissing match. I realize the way politics of recent times has further added to the destabilization, but lets not kid ourselves, they have been warring in this region since around the dawn of time. RE: Paris under attack - Mike M (the other one) - 11-18-2015 (11-17-2015, 03:00 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: While I am a fan of the idea, it is unlikely they would stay. That's cause they were given a chance to emigrate to other countries. Take that away and the tents might seem pretty nice. (11-17-2015, 03:59 PM)Benton Wrote: For some background... I understand that, and I'd want them protected by a military force as well. (11-17-2015, 08:09 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: There were camps set-up. On the Syrian side of the border with Turkey. Tent camps. And the people hoped to return to their homes. But this was a problem, as the article Benson posted mentioned: It gave the extremist rebels a convenient grouped-together target out in the open to terrorize. Also, tent camps in the desert are living nightmare after several weeks of several thousand people living close together. Little food, little water, poor sanitation, no organization, crime, disease, no medicine, etc. Think concentration camps, but with tents. These refugees have been living in camps like that for several years now. Their homes are gone. Most of the Syrian cities in the combat zone (and it is a wide combat zone) look like the pictures you see in the history books of Dresden or Berlin in WWII. Also, these are civilians. They generally don't have any weapons, and they wouldn't know what to do with them if they did. ISIL, Assad's troops and the Free Syrian Army are battle-hardened veterans now. They know what they are doing. You put these people out there with guns and tell them to fight ISIL, you might as well just shoot them in the heads yourself. Totally aware that they would need protection. The military could be a UN thing, so that any attacks would be retaliated by the UN led coalition. What I posted was just an idea, that we can expand on. I would want the emigrants to be broken up into groups. Families Women and Children Men Each of these would also have 2 levels, those that have been cleared and the new people coming in are on the outside, until they are cleared as well. At this point, we either decide to take out enemies so that they can return and start to rebuild their homes (with help of course) or we can begin to establish a new city for them to live in. If we decide to establish a new city, then we start working on it, obviously the man power is here, they just need the supplies and knowledgeable people from the UN. We have to remember, the refugees are demoralized and idle people cause trouble. Keep them busy and tired and working towards their future. There is a lot more to add to this, but this is a good start. RE: Paris under attack - Belsnickel - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 01:20 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: This right here......in this country, we say the Christians need to "get over it" when it comes to hot button topics involving their clashes with belief structure and civil liberties (as should be the case)....but we need to "understand" the culture of the many divisions of Islam, while they kill each other and other Christians over it. Seems like a double standard to me.....looks to me like they need to get over it, and sit down and talk and put an end to this centuries old pissing match. I don't think anyone on this board, and most people in this country that knew anything about the situation over there, would disagree that there need to be changes over in the Middle East, and a movement towards secularism and a greater concern for human rights. However, the issue is that our involvement in the region has pushed them away from that. I've mentioned before that Muslim, Arabic women enjoyed greater freedoms and equality than their western counterparts until about 150 years ago. The colonial activities of the western world pushed the region away from our ideals as we were seen as oppressors, invaders, whatever other word you'd like to use. We can't jump into the fray and force change on them. It will produce more animosity against the west. The change will have to take place internally. Sure, we can do things like helping them with problems (such as ISIS, disaster recovery, or economic issues) and this can generate good will with the region. This type of thing promotes a better view of the west among the people than they have been dealing with for decades. When we do things like saying we won't accept Muslim refugees and what not, it promotes the agenda of the extremist. It validates with ISIS is saying, which is that there is a war between Islam and the West. That narrative is what ISIS wants because it brings followers into their arms. The people that say we are at war with Islam are helping ISIS and organizations like them every day. We can destroy ISIS and at the same time be compassionate to the rest of the region. If we show compassion for these people then it will make it that much harder for ISIS to be like another phoenix of Islamic extremism. RE: Paris under attack - GMDino - 11-18-2015 Iran before 1979: http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4?op=1 Now part of this was the US forcing the Shah in and "supporting" him of course. Iraq before 1980: http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-pictures-of-peaceful-iraq-2014-6 Afghanistan: http://www.businessinsider.com/astonishing-photos-of-prewar-afghanistan-show-everyday-life-in-peaceful-kabul-2013-2?op=1 War is hell. Religious wars never end. RE: Paris under attack - Benton - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: This right here......in this country, we say the Christians need to "get over it" when it comes to hot button topics involving their clashes with belief structure and civil liberties (as should be the case)....but we need to "understand" the culture of the many divisions of Islam, while they kill each other and other Christians over it. Seems like a double standard to me.....looks to me like they need to get over it, and sit down and talk and put an end to this centuries old pissing match. As much as I hate to say it, they need a dictator. Removing Saddam was one of the worst things we could do for that region. He did horrible things to people, even his own, but it prevented them from doing horrible things to each other on a larger scale. They need several decades of that kind of stability and understanding that Sunni and Shiite and Christian and Jew can all live in one place and get along. RE: Paris under attack - Bengalzona - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 02:19 PM)Benton Wrote: As much as I hate to say it, they need a dictator. Removing Saddam was one of the worst things we could do for that region. He did horrible things to people, even his own, but it prevented them from doing horrible things to each other on a larger scale. They need several decades of that kind of stability and understanding that Sunni and Shiite and Christian and Jew can all live in one place and get along. Just like pimps, despots don't get no props for the good services they provide. ![]() It hard bein' da king! RE: Paris under attack - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 01:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't think anyone on this board, and most people in this country that knew anything about the situation over there, would disagree that there need to be changes over in the Middle East, and a movement towards secularism and a greater concern for human rights. However, the issue is that our involvement in the region has pushed them away from that. I've mentioned before that Muslim, Arabic women enjoyed greater freedoms and equality than their western counterparts until about 150 years ago. The colonial activities of the western world pushed the region away from our ideals as we were seen as oppressors, invaders, whatever other word you'd like to use. I agree....the outcome of WW1 has more to do with all of this than anything. To me, the big issue in the Middle East, is a lack of strong government, and those that are strong seem to be nuts. Another thing that irks me.....why isn't Saudi Arabia taking on some of these refugees? What is Dubai's stance? RE: Paris under attack - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 02:19 PM)Benton Wrote: As much as I hate to say it, they need a dictator. Removing Saddam was one of the worst things we could do for that region. He did horrible things to people, even his own, but it prevented them from doing horrible things to each other on a larger scale. They need several decades of that kind of stability and understanding that Sunni and Shiite and Christian and Jew can all live in one place and get along. Halleluja...... RE: Paris under attack - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 09:44 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: An interesting article on Saudi Arabia and ISIL: Interesting indeed.....I wonder what would happen if Baptists fought Catholics like this.....or certain Temples of Buddhists revolted against others.....or if Hindus became so divided over Vishnu and Krishna? What would the world view on that be? The more I learn, the more I hold to the conviction that they need an Iron Fist over there from within. It's like a bunch of arguing children. RE: Paris under attack - Vas Deferens - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 02:23 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree....the outcome of WW1 has more to do with all of this than anything. To me, the big issue in the Middle East, is a lack of strong government, and those that are strong seem to be nuts. Another thing that irks me.....why isn't Saudi Arabia taking on some of these refugees? What is Dubai's stance? Amen. Just shows how little influence the US actually has in Saudi Arabia. Get Bush and his boys over there to have a site down with families best business buddies. Specifically, this is what really grinds my gears on that subject: Quote: RE: Paris under attack - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 03:00 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Amen. Just shows how little influence the US actually has in Saudi Arabia. Get Bush and his boys over there to have a site down with families best business buddies. Abso-freakin-lutely.....I've read the same things, and Bush and the gang are so close with the Saudis.....get that shit handled Georgey....we're still paying for your bennies and security details after all..... RE: Paris under attack - StLucieBengal - 11-18-2015 (11-18-2015, 09:44 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: An interesting article on Saudi Arabia and ISIL: Very interesting.... Thanks for posting RE: Paris under attack - StLucieBengal - 11-18-2015 http://time.com/4117119/paris-attacks-marine-le-pen/ Quote:Marine Le Pen est la Présidente du Front National. RE: Paris under attack - bfine32 - 11-18-2015 Brigitte tried to get us on the right path a year ago: https://youtu.be/Ry3NzkAOo3s RE: Paris under attack - StLucieBengal - 11-19-2015 (11-18-2015, 11:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Brigitte tried to get us on the right path a year ago: Nice video . Good stuff RE: Paris under attack - fredtoast - 11-20-2015 (11-18-2015, 02:19 PM)Benton Wrote: As much as I hate to say it, they need a dictator. Removing Saddam was one of the worst things we could do for that region. He did horrible things to people, even his own, but it prevented them from doing horrible things to each other on a larger scale. Iraq was constantly at war with Iran while Saddam was in power. Not supporting our actions to remove him. Just pointing out that things were not peaceful with him in charge. RE: Paris under attack - fredtoast - 11-20-2015 (11-18-2015, 02:53 PM)Wyche Wrote: Interesting indeed.....I wonder what would happen if Baptists fought Catholics like this. You mean like when they were blowing the hell out of Northern Ireland just 20 years ago? |