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RE: Russia and our election - TheLeonardLeap - 07-24-2017 (07-24-2017, 10:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: You mean Sessions? yeah...with a memory that bad he shouldn't be holding any office. (07-24-2017, 11:09 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So who'd you vote for in the election, then? (07-24-2017, 11:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: Clinton. http://www.inquisitr.com/3477630/hillary-clinton-told-fbi-a-2012-concussion-impairs-her-memory-rival-calls-her-dishonest/ Quote:Hillary Clinton told the Federal Bureau of Investigation agents that her concussion in 2012 while Secretary of State in the Obama Administration makes her incapable of accurately remembering if she ever got any briefings on how to handle confidential or classified documents while in officehttp://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/heres-all-40-times-hillary-clinton-told-the-fbi-she-couldnt-remember-something/ Sessions learned that "I don't recall" from Hillary, who you voted for despite just now saying someone with that bad of memory shouldn't hold office. - - - - - - - - - I voted for Johnson, who was the only non-evil choice. His memory wasn't bad, just his preparedness to speak. Lol RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 07-24-2017 (07-24-2017, 11:36 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: http://www.inquisitr.com/3477630/hillary-clinton-told-fbi-a-2012-concussion-impairs-her-memory-rival-calls-her-dishonest/ Oh...well she didn't win so now we have to deal with people who didn't have concussions like Sessions, Kushner, Trump Jr, et. al. who "forgot" meetings, and what they talked about...but they know they didn't talk about anything they shouldn't have...unless it was emailed to them before the meeting. RE: Russia and our election - TheLeonardLeap - 07-24-2017 (07-24-2017, 11:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh...well she didn't win so now we have to deal with people who didn't have concussions like Sessions, Kushner, Trump Jr, et. al. who "forgot" meetings, and what they talked about...but they know they didn't talk about anything they shouldn't have...unless it was emailed to them before the meeting. They watched people who are career politicians and how they operate on how to get out of crimes. Monkey see, monkey do. I mean, Kushner and Trump Jr are basically making it up as they go, right? RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 07-25-2017 (07-24-2017, 11:45 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They watched people who are career politicians and how they operate on how to get out of crimes. Monkey see, monkey do. Kushner is a career liar...he just has some political power behind him now without the donations. Trump Jr isn't even a great liar like his old man. I bet the POTUS is so jealous of Kushner: Young, rich, smart, can speak and he get to be married to Ivanka! But that's a different discussion... For the purpose of this discussion Clinton is not involved. Sorry. RE: Russia and our election - Belsnickel - 07-27-2017 Just putting this here instead of starting some other Russia thread, in case anyone is interested. Browder's testimony to the Senate Judiciary. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/07-26-17%20Browder%20Testimony.pdf RE: Russia and our election - hollodero - 07-28-2017 (07-27-2017, 04:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Just putting this here instead of starting some other Russia thread, in case anyone is interested. Browder's testimony to the Senate Judiciary. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/07-26-17%20Browder%20Testimony.pdf Thanks a lot. Everyone interested in the background of this "Russian adoption" vulgo Magnitzky act dealings and talks should read this. Very insightful. Being friendly with Putin as a primary goal of foreign policy is just so sickening. RE: Russia and our election - hollodero - 07-29-2017 Also refraining from opening another Russia thread, I do feel Russian money laundering is quite an important political issue for other countries as well, hence my interest. Russians fund a lot of parties here. Russian money laundering is, per se, quite a big deal. Not just in the US, also in Europe, many billions of dollars got laundered via European accounts ("allegedly", but it's quite clear at this point). These are quite complex schemes. Some schemes use money loans between offshore companies with russian liability; the money doesn't get paid back (it never existed), the liability is envoked by some (bribed) Eastern European courts, the Russians pay up et voila. This is oversimplifying it, the schemes are more complex, but in principle they are using aware or even unaware helpers in Europe; individuals, companies, corporations and banks. (My sources are in German, so only Belsnickel could make some sense of it. Speaking of, his posting of Mr. Browder's initial statement grazes that and the origin of the vast unlaundered funds inside Russia.) Now, after what has surfaced in the US including Trump, including Alfa Bank and server connections of said shady bank with Trump Tower, after Deutsche Bank and their alleged role in laundering that incidentally was the only bank loaning money to Trump at some point, after the Kushner meeting with that dubious and sanctioned Russian banker Gorkov, after learning about the people involved in some other meetings (like Veselnitskaya, who of course is a Russian government lawyer and it wasn't a secret in the first place, and company are one example). After all the different oligarchs (it's safe to say most, if not all of them act on Putin's behalf, because those who don't end up in jail or as target of assaults) that pop up in the personal history of Trump himself (Agalarov, Rybolovlev) and his aides (Manafort-Derypaska, Eric Prince's guy,...). After all the lies and non-disclosures that took place. After learning about Mr. Manaforts dealings surrounding Janukowitch and his alleged debts. After the odd and unexplainable initial treatment of Mr. Flynn. After both sons of Trump claiming that they don't depend on US banks because there's so much Russian money flowing in and that their money built all the golf courses and whatnot. After Russian mobsters allegedly renting Trump properties, including Trump tower, in astonishing numbers. And last not least after Trump attacking everything and everyone except Russia in speeches and tweets. After his unexplainably friendly behaviour towards Putin, including that mind-boggling gesture across the room at the G20. After meeting Lavrov and Kislyak in the Oval (and looking so happy there, talking Comey and revealing some secrets). After his reaction to the revelation that Mr. Mueller could look at his financial transactions that seemed panicky and aimed at getting rid of Mueller by getting rid of the recused Sessions. After not releasing his tax returns. (And whatever I forgot.) After all that, I can see no other possible reality as that Trump has been willing part of such a Russian money laundering scheme. It's the only thing making any sense to me. So I'm calling it. With around 95% certainty (but not calling that too) I'd think he got saved by Russians after driving his business to the ground (the 90s seem to be full of financial disasters for him); threatened with poverty, he agreed to be saved and kept rich in exchange for helping the Russian money launderers out with his name and companies. And with being super-friendly to them as president. (Again, not "calling" that, although to me it seems to make perfect sense, and nothing else does.) If I am wrong, if all the investigations end up showing nothing of that kind, I will eat crow as you say (do you? And if so, why crows?), I will admit I was so wrong, that my rationality isn't nearly as formed as I thought it to be, that I'm a drivelling idiot, that my personal loathing of Mr. Trump got the best of me. Which certainly is there, for reasons already discussed in great lengths. But if I'm right, I want to feel the "called it"-feeling (I know I'm not the first person in the world to dare that, but still). We'll see. RE: Russia and our election - Belsnickel - 07-29-2017 (07-29-2017, 09:06 AM)hollodero Wrote: Also refraining from opening another Russia thread, I do feel Russian money laundering is quite an important political issue for other countries as well, hence my interest. Russians fund a lot of parties here. Russian money laundering is, per se, quite a big deal. Not just in the US, also in Europe, many billions of dollars got laundered via European accounts ("allegedly", but it's quite clear at this point). These are quite complex schemes. Some schemes use money loans between offshore companies with russian liability; the money doesn't get paid back (it never existed), the liability is envoked by some (bribed) Eastern European courts, the Russians pay up et voila. This is oversimplifying it, the schemes are more complex, but in principle they are using aware or even unaware helpers in Europe; individuals, companies, corporations and banks. (My sources are in German, so only Belsnickel could make some sense of it. Speaking of, his posting of Mr. Browder's initial statement grazes that and the origin of the vast unlaundered funds inside Russia.) This actually does make a lot of sense. I mean, there is evidence that the Russians were friendly to the idea of Trump as a politician back to the waning days of the Cold War. Nothing would surprise me at this point. RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 08-01-2017 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-01/house-conservative-calls-for-special-counsel-s-resignation Quote:A conservative House Republican is calling on special counsel Robert Mueller to resign. He is citing what he says is a conflict of interest because of Mueller's "close friendship" with fired FBI Director James Comey. https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-lawmaker-calls-muellers-resignation-040119899--politics.html Quote:A conservative House Republican is calling on special counsel Robert Mueller to resign, citing what he says is a conflict of interest because of Mueller's "close friendship" with fired FBI Director James Comey. RE: Russia and our election - Benton - 08-01-2017 (08-01-2017, 11:13 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-01/house-conservative-calls-for-special-counsel-s-resignation The problem is going to be — at the current rate of retention by this administration — finding someone qualified to do a legitimate investigation who hasn't had some semi-close relationship to someone employed or recently employed. RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 08-01-2017 (08-01-2017, 11:32 AM)Benton Wrote: The problem is going to be — at the current rate of retention by this administration — finding someone qualified to do a legitimate investigation who hasn't had some semi-close relationship to someone employed or recently employed. Did you see Al Franken's take down of the fact that some of the people Mueller hired made donations to democrats? http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/23/sotu-franken-trump-lawyer-ty-cobb-donated-to-me.cnn RE: Russia and our election - hollodero - 08-01-2017 (08-01-2017, 11:13 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-01/house-conservative-calls-for-special-counsel-s-resignation What a good boy. Who's a good boy? You're a good boy! Yes, you are... now sit and give paw. RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 08-01-2017 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/01/president-trump-weighed-in-donald-jr-statement-white-house-says/529245001/ Quote:President Trump 'weighed in' on Donald Jr. statement 'like any father would,' White House says Couple things: 1) I originally said Junior must be a disappoint to his father since he can't lie like the old man can. So does this prove it because Senior helped write it or does it mean Senior is a bad liar too? 2) Trump FINALLY does something with one of his kids and it's this? |