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RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Mickeypoo - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well I mean if you are telling me Biden is rather "left" then it's safe to say you are conservative enough to consider the center to be further right than I would, but I have my own bias so meh.
As for finding out what people think soon enough, I'd like to remind you that Biden won in 2020 and a lot of people are refusing to admit it so we can't rule out that people are automatically going to just face whatever facts supposedly come to light via an election anymore.
Trump's bragging about appointing the 3 judges who overturned RvW so it's possible the dems still have that to save them.
I lean both ways depending on the subject and I'm a registered Independent.
Overturning RvW was the correct decision. People can not like it, but it was the correct decision.
It is certainly possible. We will see if abortion out duals the horrible cost of everything with no end in sight and more wars and green forced upon everyone. I'd also argue that, imo, 90%+ people know something is seriously wrong with Biden whether they will openly admit it or not. It can no longer be hidden and we will have another year or more to witness the decline.
It will be interesting for sure. I'd be happy if neither get the nomination, but I don't know who either side have. Out of 350M people and Trump and Biden are our only options. Sad times.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Nately120 - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:29 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Out of 350M people and Trump and Biden are our only options. Sad times.
In the interest of time and sanity I'll agree with this and attempt to unplug from internet politics for the day.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - kalibengal - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: In the interest of time and sanity I'll agree with this and attempt to unplug from internet politics for the day.
whelp, sounds like GOP finally selected a Speaker..."Mike Johnson" who apparently is a election denier, anti vaxer, thinks we abort babie after birth and is against SS and supported Jan 6 .
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Millhouse - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:29 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I lean both ways depending on the subject and I'm a registered Independent.
Overturning RvW was the correct decision. People can not like it, but it was the correct decision.
It is certainly possible. We will see if abortion out duals the horrible cost of everything with no end in sight and more wars and green forced upon everyone. I'd also argue that, imo, 90%+ people know something is seriously wrong with Biden whether they will openly admit it or not. It can no longer be hidden and we will have another year or more to witness the decline.
It will be interesting for sure. I'd be happy if neither get the nomination, but I don't know who either side have. Out of 350M people and Trump and Biden are our only options. Sad times.
It could be possible that the only options for three straight elections for POTUS are Trump, Biden, and Hillary. It's actually pathetic.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 05:07 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It could be possible that the only options for three straight elections for POTUS are Trump, Biden, and Hillary. It's actually pathetic.
You forgot to add soul crushingly depressing.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Nately120 - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 05:07 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It could be possible that the only options for three straight elections for POTUS are Trump, Biden, and Hillary. It's actually pathetic.
But Gary Johnson!!!
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - GMDino - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:54 PM)kalibengal Wrote: whelp, sounds like GOP finally selected a Speaker..."Mike Johnson" who apparently is a election denier, anti vaxer, thinks we abort babie after birth and is against SS and supported Jan 6 .
And a bible thumper.
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8">Newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA): "Scripture, the Bible, is very clear: God is the one that raises up those in authority. All of us ... [Marxism and Communism] begin with the premise that there is no God." pic.twitter.com/VCh4kKHdQC
— Heartland Signal (@HeartlandSignal) October 25, 2023
Mike Johnson (R-LA) on his wife Kelly not being in attendance for his ascension to House Speaker:
— The Recount (@therecount) October 25, 2023
“She’s spent the last couple of weeks on her knees in prayer to the Lord. And, um, she’s a little worn out.” pic.twitter.com/3GtQr6RxfH
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - TheLeonardLeap - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 05:16 PM)Nately120 Wrote: But Gary Johnson!!!
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RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - NATI BENGALS - 10-25-2023
Religious fanatic, mastermind of a plot to subvert our democracy, and maga. Groomed under Jim Jordan and Scalise. GOP definitely got their guy.
Let’s see how much the voter base in this country likes abortions bans, social security Medicare Medicaid cuts, and someone in power trying to force their religious beliefs on you.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - CJD - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:54 PM)kalibengal Wrote: whelp, sounds like GOP finally selected a Speaker..."Mike Johnson" who apparently is a election denier, anti vaxer, thinks we abort babie after birth and is against SS and supported Jan 6 .
The GOP found a keeper.
Only took them just short of a month, too.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Luvnit2 - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 06:09 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Religious fanatic, mastermind of a plot to subvert our democracy, and maga. Groomed under Jim Jordan and Scalise. GOP definitely got their guy.
Let’s see how much the voter base in this country likes abortions bans, social security Medicare Medicaid cuts, and someone in power trying to force their religious beliefs on you.
Sadly, it is the left going to hell literally. I have yet to see any GOP politician force religion down the throat of anyone. As for MAGA, yes Republicans want to make America Great Again, liberals do not. They hate America and everything she stands for and again, very sad. As for abortions, that is now a state issue unless you are concerned in Congress trying to pass legislation banning abortion after 24 weeks unless for a medical emergency for baby or mother. Last I checked
"About half of Americans say abortions should be permitted at the 15-week mark, though 55% of those living in the most restrictive states say abortion should be banned by that point. And by 24 weeks, about two-thirds of Americans, including those who live in states with the fewest restrictions, say it should be barred."
Republicans have offered no official plan to reduce SS or Medicare. But, again great left talking points (lies).
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - NATI BENGALS - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 06:43 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Sadly, it is the left going to hell literally. I have yet to see any GOP politician force religion down the throat of anyone. As for MAGA, yes Republicans want to make America Great Again, liberals do not. They hate America and everything she stands for and again, very sad. As for abortions, that is now a state issue unless you are concerned in Congress trying to pass legislation banning abortion after 24 weeks unless for a medical emergency for baby or mother. Last I checked
"About half of Americans say abortions should be permitted at the 15-week mark, though 55% of those living in the most restrictive states say abortion should be banned by that point. And by 24 weeks, about two-thirds of Americans, including those who live in states with the fewest restrictions, say it should be barred."
Republicans have offered no official plan to reduce SS or Medicare. But, again great left talking points (lies).
He cosponsored what would have essentially been a nationwide total abortion ban with no exceptions for anything.
He wants to raise the retirement age.
His budget proposals included massive cuts to social security, Medicare, Medicaid.
Not lies. Just stuff a whole lot of voters I know wouldn’t be on board with.
Sing it from the rooftops maga mike. Let the country know the true agenda before nov 2024.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - pally - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 06:43 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Sadly, it is the left going to hell literally. I have yet to see any GOP politician force religion down the throat of anyone. As for MAGA, yes Republicans want to make America Great Again, liberals do not. They hate America and everything she stands for and again, very sad. As for abortions, that is now a state issue unless you are concerned in Congress trying to pass legislation banning abortion after 24 weeks unless for a medical emergency for baby or mother. Last I checked
"About half of Americans say abortions should be permitted at the 15-week mark, though 55% of those living in the most restrictive states say abortion should be banned by that point. And by 24 weeks, about two-thirds of Americans, including those who live in states with the fewest restrictions, say it should be barred."
Republicans have offered no official plan to reduce SS or Medicare. But, again great left talking points (lies).
Many of MAGA's social policies are based on religious beliefs. Many MAGA people have publically advocated for Christian beliefs to be the guiding principle of American law and life.
What exactly has to happen to "Make America Great Again"? MAGA has been rather vague on what that entails
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - GMDino - 10-25-2023
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Here's House Speaker Mike Johnson in 2003 denouncing the Supreme Court for throwing out sodomy laws. Johnson said states had a right to criminalize homosexuality, and even suggested that the government should be allowed to ban any sex outside of marriage. He's a Christo-fascist. pic.twitter.com/ohxYkTd6gM
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) October 25, 2023
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - GMDino - 10-25-2023
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RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Luvnit2 - 10-26-2023
(10-25-2023, 08:46 PM)pally Wrote: Many of MAGA's social policies are based on religious beliefs. Many MAGA people have publically advocated for Christian beliefs to be the guiding principle of American law and life.
What exactly has to happen to "Make America Great Again"? MAGA has been rather vague on what that entails
What is wrong with anything you outlined? Yes, conservatives believe in God and country, we are proud of it. Liberals believe in hatred of our heritage. Americans are no longer proud to be an American. Too much propaganda from the left on our past. Leftists apologize for America. Those of us on the right love our country in spite of past faults.
The Biden America is looked upon as being a weak world leader, we used to be respected, now Russia, Iran, China and many other countries have no fear of retribution while Biden is in office. The POTUS gave a speech and told the enemy don't 3 times. Well, since then our troops are being attacked so I guess the don't message did not put the fear of God in those testing us.
Our economy sucks, our immigration policy enforcement is another joke to illegal immigrants, come to teh southern border and feds will cut the wire and let you in, give you free healthcare, free phones, free place to stay and so on.
I am glad you think Biden is doing a great job, but sorry you are in the minority.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Luvnit2 - 10-26-2023
(10-25-2023, 04:10 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Ya, 2022. Wasn't that when the SCOTUS abortion thing was happening? I think that is the only thing that saved the Dems.
You nailed it. People are not happy with Joe Biden and liberal policies. It starts with their wallet, but even more importantly due to illegal immigration Biden policies, cities and states are being overwhelmed. These blue cities and states are going through a fraction of what Texas, Arizona and California to a lesser degree have been going through for decades.
There were more than 2.4 million apprehensions in the 2023 fiscal year, which ended in September. That tops the previous record, set a year earlier, of more than 2.3 million, according to government data released on Saturday. During the 2021 fiscal year, there were more than 1.7 million apprehensions.4 days ago
Our border is open under Biden. We don't have the resources to jail or properly vett these people. Our country is heading toward 8 million border encounters since Biden took office. This does not include those who alluded border agents.
NY, one of the most liberal states in the country blames Biden. What changed? NY and other blue city and states received some of those 7+ million, a small sample but enough for them to realize Biden's border policy will bankrupt them.
Hell, now Biden is going to build some more wall. Whose idea was that again?
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - pally - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 12:06 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: What is wrong with anything you outlined? Yes, conservatives believe in God and country, we are proud of it. Liberals believe in hatred of our heritage. Americans are no longer proud to be an American. Too much propaganda from the left on our past. Leftists apologize for America. Those of us on the right love our country in spite of past faults.
The Biden America is looked upon as being a weak world leader, we used to be respected, now Russia, Iran, China and many other countries have no fear of retribution while Biden is in office. The POTUS gave a speech and told the enemy don't 3 times. Well, since then our troops are being attacked so I guess the don't message did not put the fear of God in those testing us.
Our economy sucks, our immigration policy enforcement is another joke to illegal immigrants, come to teh southern border and feds will cut the wire and let you in, give you free healthcare, free phones, free place to stay and so on.
I am glad you think Biden is doing a great job, but sorry you are in the minority.
You may be able to credibly speak to what conservatives are told to believe but your understanding of liberal beliefs is so far from reality that it seems like you just make up whatever makes you happy.
You didn’t answer the question….what has to happen to “make America great again? Without specific goals to be achieved it is simply an empty, meaningless piece of bulls***
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - Luvnit2 - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 12:21 AM)pally Wrote: You may be able to credibly speak to what conservatives are told to believe but your understanding of liberal beliefs is so far from reality that it seems like you just make up whatever makes you happy.
You didn’t answer the question….what has to happen to “make America great again? Without specific goals to be achieved it is simply an empty, meaningless piece of bulls***
First, it appears you think conservatives are under some type of spell and do not have minds of our own. No one tells a conservative what to believe and I would suggest same for liberals. Everyone on all sides has their political beliefs based on their individual life experiences and beliefs.
I can speak for myself and my opinion why America is no longer great. This is what I feel is needed to get us back to being great again. Contrary to liberals, I feel America was great and was a resected world leader in the past, but our country no longer believes in itself.
1. The economy sucks. Biden's inflation since he took office is 17.4%. Wage growth is lagging behind inflation which is a recipe for disaster for the lower and middle class. "Since President Biden took office, prices have increased cumulatively by 17.4 percent, while hourly wages have increased only 13 percent.Sep 20, 2023"
2. Economy fix - Use our own natural resources for oil and natural gas. I am not a climate denier, but many are or feel Climate is nowhere close to being the #1 issue facing the US. Oil is used for gasoline and to heat homes, the US needs to be energy independent and never have to import oil as we do now under Biden. The imported oil is dirty oil and not climate friendly. Our energy produced is as clean or cleaner than anywhere in the world. Inflation sky rocketed the same time gasoline prices spiked due to poor policy by Biden. It impacts all of the distribution points causing huge spikes in pricing at restaurants, retail shops, internet purchases and so on.
3. Stronger Borders - we have borders for a reason and it is not acceptable to allow illegal immigrants to enter the country and stay while waiting for a hearing. Biden's illegal immigration enforcement will negatively impact us in ways we have not thought of the next few decades. Biden is heading towards allowing 8 million illegal immigrants into the US since he reversed the Trump policies. Huge mistake and we are more at risk physically and financially as a result.
4. Keep taxes low for the lower and middle class and for small business. Small businesses create the jobs, help them create more jobs. More jobs equal more tax dollars.
5. Less government - We need to eliminate city, state and federal government. A dee dive is needed to eliminate entire departments lie the Department of Education, like abortion, send it back to the state level and let then determine best ways to educate students. Our budgets are full of wasteful and unneeded spending (pork by politicians), it has to stop. We need to eliminate lobbyists and prosecute politicians who are bought and aid for by Big Pharma for example. I also think the UN is a poor investment for the US, if President for a day I would tell the UN to take a hike and take our UN funding back to helping US citizens.
6. Foreign Affairs - Peace through strength. Trump is the only recent President to not enter a new war. It was not an accident. He took out ISIS and had the middle east calmed down, now the middle east is a dumpster fire and Biden's lack of respect is a major concern. No one wants World War 3, but his weakness as perceived by our major enemies is an issue.
7. Conservative judges who base decisions on the constitution as written.
8. Freedom of religion & freedom of free speech are both being attacked by the left. We have college campuses shutting down conservative free speech. We have AntiSemitism actions on college campuses being advocated by leadership leaving Jewish students with no safe space. Can someone tell me the how racism is any different from AntiSemitism?
9. Donald Trump
Everything above is a huge part of Trump's polices. Maybe now and you will understand MAGA republicans are not a cult, but share in the Donald Trump mantra of how to Make America Great Again.
So now I have educated you on my views as a MAGA republican who by the way would vote for any GOP nominee with these core values and goals.
Now your turn, please let me know what liberals value in a POTUS.
RE: House Speaker Ongoing Melodrama - NATI BENGALS - 10-26-2023
The more I read the more I don’t like. I’m pretty big on not having leaders who want to impose their religious beliefs through means of government. IE Hamas, Isis, etc. So you can rule out any and all religious fanatics.
I thought part of the whole deal that started this country was about fleeing religious persecution? And fighting a war against a king who was also leader of a church? I’m pretty bad at history fyi.
But here we are. Maga looking like it means imposing the Christian national beliefs on everyone?