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RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Dill - 08-25-2023 (08-24-2023, 07:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Incorrect. You have to have a majority to enact legislation to gerrymander.. This has been stated by me several times and you've yet to refute it. Why would I "refute" it? Maybe we're approaching this from the wrong angle. In your words, is anything wrong with gerrymandering? And is it your assumption that a party cannot be a majority in a state legislature if the other party receives more votes and so represents more people? (08-24-2023, 07:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is the first time you're mentioning the filibuster in this thread. I'll reiterate that the Dems had zero issue with the filibuster during Trump's first two years in office. Odd that. So? Seems you are again refuting some claim which has never been made. (08-24-2023, 07:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except it does, using your own words. Which of my "words" predicates the Senate on minority control? When you make claims like this you should show a reader exactly what you are refering to. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - GMDino - 10-14-2023 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/alabama-pregnant-woman-jail-lawsuit Quote:An Alabama woman was imprisoned for ‘endangering’ her fetus. She gave birth in a jail shower RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - BigPapaKain - 10-14-2023 (10-14-2023, 11:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/alabama-pregnant-woman-jail-lawsuit The Party of Life in action, folks. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 10-14-2023 It is never about the life of the unborn...it has always been about controlling women RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Mike M (the other one) - 10-16-2023 (10-14-2023, 12:59 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: The Party of Life in action, folks. I will agree it was handled very poorly. (10-14-2023, 06:12 PM)pally Wrote: It is never about the life of the unborn...it has always been about controlling women Tired of the Bull Shit de facto party response. So you think it's OK for a drug abuser to have an effed up child because of her addiction? What about the inalienable rights of an Unborn child? Some of you argue the heck out of Inalienable rights of Immigrants, but when it comes to the Unborn, they are just blobs of cells to you. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Nately120 - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 12:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: So you think it's OK for a drug abuser to have an effed up child because of her addiction? I guess it depends on what is doing the effing up. I'm not a woman and I don't have kids so I'm out of touch with this stuff but are women who drink alcohol or the water in Flint, MI while pregnant put in prison? Over a decade ago I had a girlfriend whose brother's baby mama was drinking and smoking and living off of cheap fast food and living on the filthy side of town while pregnant and I saw it as "business as usual for dumbass people" rather than something where I should have dialed 911. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - CJD - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 12:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I will agree it was handled very poorly. The officials in that story were not concerned about effing up the child. They wanted to punish the mother for being a drug addict. And they used the prison system to hold authority over her actions. This use of authority led to her and her child nearly dying after missing appointments, not having access to required healthcare and treatments and forcing her into uncomfortable and hostile living conditions that would likely have a negative impact on the child anyway. If they had imprisoned her and forced her into rehabilitation, ensuring she was making it to her doctor's appointments on time and had treatment and comfort available to ensure the safety of the child, I could see your argument. But they didn't do that. They did everything they could to make the mother's life worse and more dangerous for both her and her child. We keep hearing that the Republicans are concerned for the inalienable rights of the unborn child. It's time we begin seeing that concern in action. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Dill - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 12:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Some of you argue the heck out of Inalienable rights of Immigrants, but when it comes to the Unborn, they are just blobs of cells to you. OMike, this seems like the bolded could cut both ways. I.e.,-- Some of you argue about the inalienable rights of the unborn, but when it comes to immigrants they are just blobs of cells to you. I'm just curious as to how the concept of "unalienable" rights gets applied across different circumstances. Human rights can inconvenience people/societies in different ways. Then we are ready to rethink them. (Not excepting pro choicers from this observation.) What makes rights inalienable? I'm guessing it might depend on what you take to be the ground of rights. E.g., in my case, it is not religion. But in some cases I find religion grounding very praiseworthy behavior, which doesn't seem especially selective-- like Catholics who are against abortion because they say they hold all human life sacred at whatever stage, and also work in soup kitchens, harbor undocumented immigrants, and oppose the death penalty. (I don't know what your ground for opposing abortion is, OMike; for all I know you work in soup kitchens too.) RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - BigPapaKain - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 12:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I will agree it was handled very poorly. Handled very poorly - that's all you've got to say about it? They did about an equal amount of damage to that unborn child as the mother did before she was in jail by denying them the doctors appointments and pre-natal care. Are any of them going to go to jail? Nah fam - they're dudes. Dudes don't get in trouble for harming the unborn. Tell me again how it's not about controlling women and done for the safety of the unborn. I never get tired of the lie. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Mike M (the other one) - 10-16-2023 Really weird how not one of you offered up a way to prevent this going forward... yet, quick to criticize the actions of the people involved no matter the political affiliations. This is your normal situation. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 07:24 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Really weird how not one of you offered up a way to prevent this going forward... yet, quick to criticize the actions of the people involved no matter the political affiliations. we can start by placing addicts in rehab instead of prison RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - CJD - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 07:24 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Really weird how not one of you offered up a way to prevent this going forward... yet, quick to criticize the actions of the people involved no matter the political affiliations. I said "If they had imprisoned her and forced her into rehabilitation, ensuring she was making it to her doctor's appointments on time and had treatment and comfort available to ensure the safety of the child, I could see your argument." Is that not "a way to prevent this going forward?" RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Nately120 - 10-16-2023 (10-16-2023, 08:42 PM)pally Wrote: we can start by placing addicts in rehab instead of prison Both of those sound expensive, can't we just say kids being born effed up are all in god's plan and appreciate the cheap labor they'll provide? I think I'm joking, but I'm in a cynical mood. I think this is what we will end up doing. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Mike M (the other one) - 10-17-2023 (10-16-2023, 08:42 PM)pally Wrote: we can start by placing addicts in rehab instead of prison Exactly, problem is forcing someone into involuntary commitment for substance abuse is not legal for adults in Alabama. So catch 22. What do you do? Good people were put in a situation they were terribly ill-equiped to handle and are now made out to be some horrible "woman controlling" individuals when they were simply trying to do the right thing and because of lack of laws they ended up nearly failing completely. Maybe we should be asking the politicians to create laws that allow Addicts to be legally involuntary committed ESPECIALLY pregnant ones so that they can get the help they need. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Mike M (the other one) - 10-17-2023 (10-16-2023, 09:34 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I said "If they had imprisoned her and forced her into rehabilitation, ensuring she was making it to her doctor's appointments on time and had treatment and comfort available to ensure the safety of the child, I could see your argument." See my previous comment about involuntary commitment being illegal in Alabama RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - GMDino - 10-17-2023 (10-17-2023, 02:35 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Exactly, problem is forcing someone into involuntary commitment for substance abuse is not legal for adults in Alabama. So catch 22. Those "good people" completely ignored the woman and refused her even the most basic care...while she was under their control. Wanna try again? RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - CJD - 10-17-2023 (10-17-2023, 02:36 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: See my previous comment about involuntary commitment being illegal in Alabama It beats involuntary imprisonment and neglect. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 10-17-2023 (10-17-2023, 02:35 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Exactly, problem is forcing someone into involuntary commitment for substance abuse is not legal for adults in Alabama. So catch 22. So instead you force pregnant women into dirty, nasty, jail cells. They are provided with a diet not designed to provide enough calories for a developing fetus. They receive no or limited prenatal care. And they are left to labor for days and deliver in a dirty bathroom. It’s no different than a puppy mill. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Mike M (the other one) - 10-17-2023 (10-17-2023, 09:06 AM)GMDino Wrote: Those "good people" completely ignored the woman and refused her even the most basic care...while she was under their control. Sure, they tried to help, just because it didn't work out as planned isn't all on them. (10-17-2023, 09:34 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It beats involuntary imprisonment and neglect. If you don't believe that good people can sometimes do bad things then you must hold yourselves to some very high ground. I'm sure you never tried to do the right thing and it backfired on you and ended up making things worse. As i said there was no guidelines and laws here to direct these types of incidences, and that lead to inactivity on what to do and how to deal with this. The onus is on the politicians for not providing the guidelines for these situations. (10-17-2023, 09:44 AM)pally Wrote: So instead you force pregnant women into dirty, nasty, jail cells. They are provided with a diet not designed to provide enough calories for a developing fetus. They receive no or limited prenatal care. And they are left to labor for days and deliver in a dirty bathroom. Show me where I said that. Play your games with someone else. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - CJD - 10-18-2023 (10-17-2023, 11:53 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: If you don't believe that good people can sometimes do bad things then you must hold yourselves to some very high ground. I'm sure you never tried to do the right thing and it backfired on you and ended up making things worse. I never said good people can not sometimes do bad things. I'm not even passing any particular moral judgement on the people in this situation. Just that it was carried out poorly. You claimed no one gave you a solution, I pointed out that my post had an implied solution that would require legislation. That would include the onus of the politicians drawing up and passing guidelines that would result in that solution. |