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RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Belsnickel - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 09:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'll finish by asking this, do you think that the majority of NFL fans (and by fans I mean people who buy jerseys and attend games, not some asshole who watches because they're in their work FF league) lean conservative of liberal? In all seriousness, no idea. I don't know anyone personally that has gone to an NFL game (that I am aware of). My only exposure to that is people on this board. And while I have seen people wearing jerseys around here, don't know anyone personally with one, so I don't have a good sample to draw a conclusion from. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 09:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: In all seriousness, no idea. I don't know anyone personally that has gone to an NFL game (that I am aware of). My only exposure to that is people on this board. And while I have seen people wearing jerseys around here, don't know anyone personally with one, so I don't have a good sample to draw a conclusion from. Let's say it's equal, although I tend to think they lean conservative. Is alienating half of your customer base a smart business move, ever? RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Benton - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 05:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'll simply make this point. What employer is ok with their employees making political points or protests at your place of employment? I'll simply make this counter point. How many employers start the day — every day — blasting the National Anthem? RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 10:22 PM)Benton Wrote: I'll simply make this counter point. How many employers start the day — every day — blasting the National Anthem? Not many to be sure. However, it's not like the national anthem being played before sporting events is a new development, it was going on long before any player in the league was drafted or signed as a free agent. While I get the point you are making it doesn't address the core issue at hand; how many employers allow their employees to make political statements on the clock? At work you are a representative of your employer, everything you do reflects on them. It's certainly not the only reason, but one of the main reasons I have never divulged what agency I work for is that there are posters here who would ascribe my viewpoints with those of my employer. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Benton - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 10:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not many to be sure. However, it's not like the national anthem being played before sporting events is a new development, it was going on long before any player in the league was drafted or signed as a free agent. While I get the point you are making it doesn't address the core issue at hand; how many employers allow their employees to make political statements on the clock? At work you are a representative of your employer, everything you do reflects on them. It's certainly not the only reason, but one of the main reasons I have never divulged what agency I work for is that there are posters here who would ascribe my viewpoints with those of my employer. But it still begs the questions, how many employers require their employees to make political statements on the clock? I see your point, but it's not like McDonald's or Generic Steel Mill Inc is starting every shift with the anthem. Working at The Gap doesn't require you to swear fealty to anything. Personally, my scruples aren't that big. If someone would pay me $3 million a year and all I've got to do is stand up during the anthem, drive my shoulder into someone's chest and not get arrested... I'd stand up during the anthem, drive my shoulder into someone's chest and not get arrested. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-24-2017 (09-24-2017, 10:56 PM)Benton Wrote: But it still begs the questions, how many employers require their employees to make political statements on the clock? Standing for the anthem is no more a political statement than a simple showing of respect for the country it represents. This is apparent in the fact that players stood for the UK national anthem in London. Quote:I see your point, but it's not like McDonald's or Generic Steel Mill Inc is starting every shift with the anthem. Working at The Gap doesn't require you to swear fealty to anything. The anthem is not the Pledge of Allegiance. During the Olympics everyone present stands for the anthem of the gold medal winner. This is doen out of respect, not out of allegiance or as a political statement. Quote:Personally, my scruples aren't that big. If someone would pay me $3 million a year and all I've got to do is stand up during the anthem, drive my shoulder into someone's chest and not get arrested... I'd stand up during the anthem, drive my shoulder into someone's chest and not get arrested. I suppose the gestalt protest mindset has a lot to do with it. Lots of people thinking they're making a difference, sound and fury signifying nothing. A paramedic or firefighter on shift right now will make more of a difference tonight than most of these NFL players will in their entire lives. I suppose when you get paid millions to play a game you need to convince yourself you're more important than you really are. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Nately120 - 09-24-2017 Trumps interference in private business as the president is unconstitutional. Its nice he respects the flag but his respect for this country is severely lacking. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-25-2017 (09-24-2017, 11:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trumps interference in private business as the president is unconstitutional. Yeah, you're going to have to explain that one. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Nately120 - 09-25-2017 (09-25-2017, 12:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, you're going to have to explain that one. Well maybe it's just a no no. I was under the impression that the president wasn't supposed to have interests in private businesses and/or use his position of power to call for people to boycott and/or patronize specific private organizations but I could be wrong. Trump is already using his position to shill his own merchandise with impunity so I guess he can use his political office to tell people to stop patronizing other people's businesses. My bad. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - ballsofsteel - 09-25-2017 Drumph's comments = diversion from his failing presidency, nothing more. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - michaelsean - 09-25-2017 "Republicans buy shoes too." Very wise words. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - GMDino - 09-25-2017
RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Nately120 - 09-25-2017 (09-25-2017, 09:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: Lordy, how did Trump lose support of so many white people on this one? RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - GMDino - 09-25-2017 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/donald-trump-and-the-politicization-of-everything/540915/ Quote:Donald Trump and the Depressing Politicization of Everything RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Benton - 09-25-2017 (09-24-2017, 11:09 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Standing for the anthem is no more a political statement than a simple showing of respect for the country it represents. This is apparent in the fact that players stood for the UK national anthem in London. I'm not aware of May calling out NFL players. Trump politicized the issue. Standing, or not standing, isn't about respecting the country any more. It's about politicization. Quote:The anthem is not the Pledge of Allegiance. During the Olympics everyone present stands for the anthem of the gold medal winner. This is doen out of respect, not out of allegiance or as a political statement. And they should. A track runner from Nigeria shouldn't be making a statement on the political situation in Canada by not standing. This isn't an international event where respecting other nations is inherent in the competition. Along the same lines, that's why the Egyptian/Israeli tiff was newsworthy. Cultural/political/religious differences spilled over into a competition where, at its heart, athletes are supposed to come in and put all that stuff at the door. So, the Olympics are irrelevant in this discussion. NASCAR or the NBA? Sure. But Olympics and the NFL are apples and oranges. Quote:I suppose the gestalt protest mindset has a lot to do with it. Lots of people thinking they're making a difference, sound and fury signifying nothing. A paramedic or firefighter on shift right now will make more of a difference tonight than most of these NFL players will in their entire lives. I suppose when you get paid millions to play a game you need to convince yourself you're more important than you really are. Maybe if they feel the need to have an impact, they should volunteer their time. Some do, but no idea how many. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-25-2017 (09-25-2017, 11:54 AM)Benton Wrote: I'm not aware of May calling out NFL players. Trump politicized the issue. Standing, or not standing, isn't about respecting the country any more. It's about politicization. Dude, this issue was politicized long before Trump joined the fray. He certainly ramped up the amplitude but he didn't create the situation. Quote:And they should. The situation is different, to be sure. The showing of respect for the country represented by the flag is not. I don't care if some fool burns the flag, steps on it, urinates on it, whatever. The country is not the flag. But understand that such disrespect for the flag inherently shows disrespect for the country it represents. To many they are inseparable. Quote:Maybe if they feel the need to have an impact, they should volunteer their time. Some do, but no idea how many. Point being, it's a lazy way to pretend you're making a difference. You're not, at least not in the way you state as your objective. This protest hasn't been about racial injustice for a long time, and I doubt it will ever again be perceived as such by many. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - BmorePat87 - 09-26-2017 http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/09/26/steelers-anthem-flap/ Villanueva clarified that he did not mean to be outside of the tunnel for the anthem. He wanted to see the flag at Soldier Field before going back into the tunnel with the team. He asked a security guard how long he had before the anthem was was told he had more time than he really did. When the anthem began to play he stopped walking back and stood there. I guess the intent of the Steelers was to stay in the tunnel and let players either kneel or stand. Villanueva says he's a bit embarrassed because of the optics it is causing, saying he doesn't want to see like he was disagreeing with his teammates. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - GMDino - 09-26-2017 (09-26-2017, 09:52 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/09/26/steelers-anthem-flap/ And the reaction to his statement prompted so of the DUMBEST posts from my friends on FB. So I wrote this: Quote:So the same Steeler Nation that all day Sunday loved Villenueva for being a "real" American and "the only Steeler" they will root for NOW thinks he's a liar and a traitor and weak willed for going out and saying "what the team TOLD him to say." Current situation on that post? Arguing over why Trump is Orange and if we can call him that if we can't call black people black. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - Nately120 - 09-26-2017 (09-26-2017, 10:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: And the reaction to his statement prompted so of the DUMBEST posts from my friends on FB. As soon as I heard Villanueva making a statement supporting the right to kneel during the anthem I knew the accusations that he was being held at gunpoint by the PC police and/or was a traitor were soon to follow. Support the troops, my arse. Lordy, just think back to a year ago when the country was excited to elect Trump because that would usher in an America where people would be free to offend and upset without public opinion shaming them for it. Fast forward and our president is leading the "Hey everyone, you NEED to get super offended!" charge. Fun stuff. RE: Goodell calls Trump's comments "divisive" - StLucieBengal - 09-26-2017 (09-26-2017, 10:23 AM)Nately120 Wrote: As soon as I heard Villanueva making a statement supporting the right to kneel during the anthem I knew the accusations that he was being held at gunpoint by the PC police and/or was a traitor were soon to follow. Support the troops, my arse. He was just being a good teammate. Tomlin probably thought it was a bad look for the people who wanted to kneel if anyone stood up. Villanueva was just diffusing and being a good teammate. |